Who is the most over-rated president of all-time?

Who is the most over-rated president of all-time?

  • Abraham Lincoln (#1 Ranking)

    Votes: 12 16.9%
  • Franklin D. Roosevelt (#2 Ranking)

    Votes: 15 21.1%
  • George Washington (#3 Ranking)

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Thomas Jefferson (#4 Ranking)

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Theodore Roosevelt (#5 Ranking)

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Woodrow Wilson (#6 Ranking)

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Harry Truman (#7 Ranking)

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Andrew Jackson (T-#8 Ranking)

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower (T-#8 Ranking)

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Other (Explain in your post)

    Votes: 29 40.8%

  • Total voters
    71
I didn't ask you. Your inability to follow along answers that question in any case.
My inability to what?

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

That is Unkboys tactic. He likes to ask unrelated out of the bloue off the wall questions and then accuse YOU of being too stupid or too cowardly to allow him to derail the subject into something else entirely.


Doncha, Unkboy?



Did you say "out of the bloue"? What the hell is that? Gonna try and call that a "typo" as well? You seriously need to work on your English.

Now then, I believe you made some claim about logic a while back? Are you ready to try and support your claim? Or are you too stupid and cowardly to stand by your own words? Your little disclaimer above doesn't change anything, despite what you were hoping.
 
I would have to say JFK. Disastrous foreign policy that emboldened Khrushchev and never got a single major piece of legislation through congress. His chances for re-election were almost zero...after he got shot THEN everyone acted like he walked on water and was this fantastic president. In reality he was a disaster.

His chances for re-election were close to zero?

Against Goldwater?

Hard to tell who would have won that election. The campaign strategies would have been totally different. After JFK got shot he was canonized. The same people who were bitching about him a week before were suddenly talking like he was the greatest thing since the wheel. LBJ rode that popularity into the White House, which of course was a very smart political move, and it was difficult for the Republicans to make an attack since it could be twisted as showing disrespect to a murdered president.

Had JFK not been killed, there's a reasonable argument to be made that IF he was re-elected it certainly would not have been the crushing that the 1964 election was.

True. Kennedy beat Nixon by only a 100,000 or so votes in the popular vote. Chances are..had he survived and had he won, it would have been just as close.
 
My inability to what?

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

That is Unkboys tactic. He likes to ask unrelated out of the bloue off the wall questions and then accuse YOU of being too stupid or too cowardly to allow him to derail the subject into something else entirely.


Doncha, Unkboy?



Did you say "out of the bloue"? What the hell is that? Gonna try and call that a "typo" as well? You seriously need to work on your English.

Now then, I believe you made some claim about logic a while back? Are you ready to try and support your claim? Or are you too stupid and cowardly to stand by your own words? Your little disclaimer above doesn't change anything, despite what you were hoping.

I type fast and dont look to see if its all perfect enough to pass your typing tests. You want to focus on that instead of the content, feel free. Maybe someday youll get that stick out of your ass and realize you should check your FACTS before you worry about your spelling.
 
My inability to what?

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

That is Unkboys tactic. He likes to ask unrelated out of the bloue off the wall questions and then accuse YOU of being too stupid or too cowardly to allow him to derail the subject into something else entirely.


Doncha, Unkboy?



Did you say "out of the bloue"? What the hell is that? Gonna try and call that a "typo" as well? You seriously need to work on your English.

Now then, I believe you made some claim about logic a while back? Are you ready to try and support your claim? Or are you too stupid and cowardly to stand by your own words? Your little disclaimer above doesn't change anything, despite what you were hoping.


Your logic is indeed flawed. Its flawed because you cant see the forest for the trees, as demonstarted by your grammer nazi mentality. You spellcheck instead of FACTcheck.

Now how about YOU stop being a coward and actually focus on the topic in the thread instead of derailing everything with your innane and utterly dictatorial demands, hmmm?

Can ya do that, UnkBoi? or are you too afraid of what might happen if you actually had to back your shit up with links and facts?
 
That is Unkboys tactic. He likes to ask unrelated out of the bloue off the wall questions and then accuse YOU of being too stupid or too cowardly to allow him to derail the subject into something else entirely.


Doncha, Unkboy?



Did you say "out of the bloue"? What the hell is that? Gonna try and call that a "typo" as well? You seriously need to work on your English.

Now then, I believe you made some claim about logic a while back? Are you ready to try and support your claim? Or are you too stupid and cowardly to stand by your own words? Your little disclaimer above doesn't change anything, despite what you were hoping.

I type fast and dont look to see if its all perfect enough to pass your typing tests. You want to focus on that instead of the content, feel free. Maybe someday youll get that stick out of your ass and realize you should check your FACTS before you worry about your spelling.


Why don't you just admit your errors instead of trying to pass them off as "typos"? Too much ego?
 
Your logic is indeed flawed. Its[sic] flawed because you cant[sic] see the forest for the trees, as demonstarted[sic] by your grammer[sic] nazi mentality.



:rolleyes:

Can't you even try?


Spelling issues aside, what you describe above would not be a problem of logic even if it were true and you somehow managed to write about it in proper English.
 
Your logic is indeed flawed. Its[sic] flawed because you cant[sic] see the forest for the trees, as demonstarted[sic] by your grammer[sic] nazi mentality.



:rolleyes:

Can't you even try?


Spelling issues aside, what you describe above would not be a problem of logic even if it were true and you somehow managed to write about it in proper English.


Im going full on msesed pu jsut ot ese uyo olse ti.
 
His chances for re-election were close to zero?

Against Goldwater?

Hard to tell who would have won that election. The campaign strategies would have been totally different. After JFK got shot he was canonized. The same people who were bitching about him a week before were suddenly talking like he was the greatest thing since the wheel. LBJ rode that popularity into the White House, which of course was a very smart political move, and it was difficult for the Republicans to make an attack since it could be twisted as showing disrespect to a murdered president.

Had JFK not been killed, there's a reasonable argument to be made that IF he was re-elected it certainly would not have been the crushing that the 1964 election was.

True. Kennedy beat Nixon by only a 100,000 or so votes in the popular vote. Chances are..had he survived and had he won, it would have been just as close.
Was Daily still mayor of Chicago in '64?
 
Hard to tell who would have won that election. The campaign strategies would have been totally different. After JFK got shot he was canonized. The same people who were bitching about him a week before were suddenly talking like he was the greatest thing since the wheel. LBJ rode that popularity into the White House, which of course was a very smart political move, and it was difficult for the Republicans to make an attack since it could be twisted as showing disrespect to a murdered president.

Had JFK not been killed, there's a reasonable argument to be made that IF he was re-elected it certainly would not have been the crushing that the 1964 election was.

True. Kennedy beat Nixon by only a 100,000 or so votes in the popular vote. Chances are..had he survived and had he won, it would have been just as close.
Was Daily still mayor of Chicago in '64?


Even if you gave all 27 electorals from Illinois to Nixon. Kennedy still wins by 29 electtoral votes, so corruption in Chicago would have had very little impact at all.
 
True. Kennedy beat Nixon by only a 100,000 or so votes in the popular vote. Chances are..had he survived and had he won, it would have been just as close.
Was Daily still mayor of Chicago in '64?


Even if you gave all 27 electorals from Illinois to Nixon. Kennedy still wins by 29 electtoral votes, so corruption in Chicago would have had very little impact at all.

yeah, stealing all those votes in texas put him over the top.
 
Was Daily still mayor of Chicago in '64?


Even if you gave all 27 electorals from Illinois to Nixon. Kennedy still wins by 29 electtoral votes, so corruption in Chicago would have had very little impact at all.

yeah, stealing all those votes in texas put him over the top.


Texas is only 24 electoral votes. Kennedy still wins by five.

However, That most likely would have forced the 15 electorals for Byrd to choose either Kennedy or Nixon. As those electorals came from Mississipi, Alabama and Oklahoma, AND that was still in Democrat South times, chances are good those electorals go to Kennedy.
 
George W. Bush. An approval rating of 10 is about 9 points too high.
 
To those that are saying Kennedy would have lost or had zero chance of being re-elected. Lets take a look at history. Everyone seems to think he was unpopular during his presidency and only popular after his death, this is completely untrue. In fact, during his presidency, it could be argued he was the most popular president in the last 60 years.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- Gallup Historical Statistics and Trends
According to Gallup, since they have kept track, JFK has had the highest average approval rating of any president, at 70.1% approval rating during his time in office, Ike comes in 2nd at 65%.

The lowest he was ever rated was 56%, which is the best since Gallup has been keeping track. 2nd was Ike again at 48%. When he died he had a 59% approval rating. No president has ever lost an election with over a 48% approval rating (since Gallup has been keeping track, also there were no presidents rated between 49-51).

So to assume that he had 0 chance of winning, you would have to assume that his approval would drop at least 8 points and more likely around 12 points.
 
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Lincoln. He solidified the already over reaching authorities given to the federal govt when the constitution was ratified. He was a tyrant, plain and simple. And yet almost all of written history treats him as though he "saved America". The states should have been allowed to secede from the union without physical or economic violence.

After him, I'd go with FDR. For the same reasons. His programs were unconstitutional and he cheated to get them into law. They are a looming disaster today and yet, most main stream history holds this man up as some sort of savior of the country. He too was a tyrant.

Easily, the worst was Lincoln. And thanks to him, the government created by the Founders was destroyed and socialism was introduced into America.
 
Lincoln. He solidified the already over reaching authorities given to the federal govt when the constitution was ratified. He was a tyrant, plain and simple. And yet almost all of written history treats him as though he "saved America". The states should have been allowed to secede from the union without physical or economic violence.

After him, I'd go with FDR. For the same reasons. His programs were unconstitutional and he cheated to get them into law. They are a looming disaster today and yet, most main stream history holds this man up as some sort of savior of the country. He too was a tyrant.

Easily, the worst was Lincoln. And thanks to him, the government created by the Founders was destroyed and socialism was introduced into America.

How do you figure?
 

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