Who, exactly, is "breaking up the family" when illegal aliens with US-born kids get deported?

[jc456]

There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?

Anyone who calls another member of USMessageBoard "punk" does not deserve a reply.

Answer the question or will you tell me it is none of my business?

The question as to how many undocumented immigrants I put up in my home is hardly relevant to the topic of who is breaking-up migrant families if a parent of American children is deported by the government. Trump supporters take a callous delight in seeing an American child's daddy arrested as he takes his daughter to school. Such is the make up of sociopaths.

do you feel this way about citizens who commit crimes and go to jail? So there should never be any punishment for a crime if there are kids in the family? Do you hear how silly you sound? wow dude, you love them illegal criminals don't you? Hell you're even happy for murders to stay home with their kids. The kids may not be safe, but cause you have some illogical feeling it must be? fk off and start your own utopia village in another country.

 

[Auld Phart]

The argument is coming back yet again. Apparently the leftist open-borders crowd thinks enough time has gone by since they last lost the argument, that they think they can simply announce their losing side as "true", and hope that people will have forgotten their last drubbing on the subject.

Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've heard some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Your long rambling post which someone gave their star to is all mixed-up. You conveniently suppose that an undocumented immigrant meets another immigrant, also without the administrative documentation required by government regulations. Handy, that, since both parents of "toddlers" are to be deported then, naturally the best thing would be for them to take their small American children or baby with them. It would not be so easy for your argument had the undocumented person been the mother married to an American citizen father with a child in middle school and another a junior in high school. Life, you see, is more complicated than your contrived scenario.

It would not be so easy for your argument had the undocumented person been the mother married to an American citizen father with a child in middle school and another a junior in high school.

why?

They go with him, and take their chances...

Or


they stay here and take their chances.

 

[jc456]

The argument is coming back yet again. Apparently the leftist open-borders crowd thinks enough time has gone by since they last lost the argument, that they think they can simply announce their losing side as "true", and hope that people will have forgotten their last drubbing on the subject.

Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've heard some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Your long rambling post which someone gave their star to is all mixed-up. You conveniently suppose that an undocumented immigrant meets another immigrant, also without the administrative documentation required by government regulations. Handy, that, since both parents of "toddlers" are to be deported then, naturally the best thing would be for them to take their small American children or baby with them. It would not be so easy for your argument had the undocumented person been the mother married to an American citizen father with a child in middle school and another a junior in high school. Life, you see, is more complicated than your contrived scenario.

well stupid ass, if the undocumented lady is married to an American citizen, the feds can't touch her. your argument fails. try again.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Being without immigration administrative papers is not even an illegal act, never mind a person being illegal.

/----- How many undocumented aliens have you taken into your home to feed and shelter? Well how many punk?

Anyone who calls another member of USMessageBoard "punk" does not deserve a reply.

Answer the question or will you tell me it is none of my business?

The question as to how many undocumented immigrants I put up in my home is hardly relevant to the topic of who is breaking-up migrant families if a parent of American children is deported by the government. Trump supporters take a callous delight in seeing an American child's daddy arrested as he takes his daughter to school. Such is the make up of sociopaths.

That is a total lie and you should know it but as usual you do not care.

The question does matter because it show the fact that individuals like you do little to help the minority undocumented worker that is in this country and demand the taxpayer to do what you refuse to do on your own.

The reality is you are claiming that there is no such thing as illegal alien but the truth is those that cross the U.S. border are illegally here if they do not have the permission of the U.S. to be here. Now you will want to argue the rules suck and are so damn horrible, but every Country has immigration policies and if you claim they do not then provide the list of countries that allow you to enter and stay for however long you want without subject to deportation.

You enjoy having the undocumented individuals here in America because it is a great wedge issue for those like you but it is not working as well as you wish. Sure in States like California you can get the sympathy vote but here in Texas not as much nor in Florida, and you might wonder why?

Simple, as the person ask how many undocumented people live with you and how many do you support is proof you do nothing to help those that use for your political party gain. Mr. Obama had the first year of his term to offer immigration reform and had the votes to get something done and did nothing until the Democratic Party lost control of the House and then demanded the GOP House give him what his own political party refused to do, so let be very honest the Democrats do not care about the plight of that child nor the parents until election years and afterwards they forget their damn promises like Mr. Obama did.

So as you make the false claim that Trump voters enjoy watching the families of undocumented people being torn apart the truth is they just want the laws to be enforced as do I and I did not vote for Trump nor do I support Trump, but this countries laws and borders should be respected at all times but you on the other hand do not and feel laws like the immigration policies are worthless and should be ignored because you believe it will garner you votes to turn the tide but again it has not been working so far because the undocumented workers and their legal families know that Democrats like Republicans are usually full of shit about their promises to fix something.

So now tell me why you refuse to grant sanctuary within the comfort of your home and believe the laws of this nation should be ignored?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

The argument is coming back yet again. Apparently the leftist open-borders crowd thinks enough time has gone by since they last lost the argument, that they think they can simply announce their losing side as "true", and hope that people will have forgotten their last drubbing on the subject.

Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've heard some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Your long rambling post which someone gave their star to is all mixed-up. You conveniently suppose that an undocumented immigrant meets another immigrant, also without the administrative documentation required by government regulations. Handy, that, since both parents of "toddlers" are to be deported then, naturally the best thing would be for them to take their small American children or baby with them. It would not be so easy for your argument had the undocumented person been the mother married to an American citizen father with a child in middle school and another a junior in high school. Life, you see, is more complicated than your contrived scenario.

The mother goes back to the country of origin and the father can request the change of status through hardship. Helped a woman that the U.S. deported her Husband back to Columbia and it took a few years but his status was change and allowed back into the country.

Rules are rules and the fact is your political party has done very little when it had the votes to change the rules, so next time fix the problem and do not pass the damn buck!

 

[Clementine]

The argument is coming back yet again. Apparently the leftist open-borders crowd thinks enough time has gone by since they last lost the argument, that they think they can simply announce their losing side as "true", and hope that people will have forgotten their last drubbing on the subject.

Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've heard some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Your long rambling post which someone gave their star to is all mixed-up. You conveniently suppose that an undocumented immigrant meets another immigrant, also without the administrative documentation required by government regulations. Handy, that, since both parents of "toddlers" are to be deported then, naturally the best thing would be for them to take their small American children or baby with them. It would not be so easy for your argument had the undocumented person been the mother married to an American citizen father with a child in middle school and another a junior in high school. Life, you see, is more complicated than your contrived scenario.

Thing all these scenarios have in common is a person who is knowingly breaking our immigration laws. There are consequences to doing that.

 

[Eloy]

The argument is coming back yet again. Apparently the leftist open-borders crowd thinks enough time has gone by since they last lost the argument, that they think they can simply announce their losing side as "true", and hope that people will have forgotten their last drubbing on the subject.

Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've heard some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Your long rambling post which someone gave their star to is all mixed-up. You conveniently suppose that an undocumented immigrant meets another immigrant, also without the administrative documentation required by government regulations. Handy, that, since both parents of "toddlers" are to be deported then, naturally the best thing would be for them to take their small American children or baby with them. It would not be so easy for your argument had the undocumented person been the mother married to an American citizen father with a child in middle school and another a junior in high school. Life, you see, is more complicated than your contrived scenario.

Thing all these scenarios have in common is a person who is knowingly breaking our immigration laws. There are consequences to doing that.

Immigration law is not being broken when someone is in the country without administrative documentation. If that were so, it would be necessary to put an accused person on trial in order to determine innocence of guilt. Think about it.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Somebody posted a sob story about "Trump is deporting mothers". Time to bring this thread back up.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The argument is coming back yet again. Apparently the leftist open-borders crowd thinks enough time has gone by since they last lost the argument, that they think they can simply announce their losing side as "true", and hope that people will have forgotten their last drubbing on the subject.

Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've heard some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?

Your long rambling post which someone gave their star to is all mixed-up. You conveniently suppose that an undocumented immigrant meets another immigrant, also without the administrative documentation required by government regulations. Handy, that, since both parents of "toddlers" are to be deported then, naturally the best thing would be for them to take their small American children or baby with them. It would not be so easy for your argument had the undocumented person been the mother married to an American citizen father with a child in middle school and another a junior in high school. Life, you see, is more complicated than your contrived scenario.

Thing all these scenarios have in common is a person who is knowingly breaking our immigration laws. There are consequences to doing that.

Immigration law is not being broken when someone is in the country without administrative documentation. If that were so, it would be necessary to put an accused person on trial in order to determine innocence of guilt. Think about it.

/----/ not all laws are enforced, some are given court dates and released then never show up for trial. Please get a clue will ya?

 

[Eloy]

ACLU fight deportations of Iraqi Christians

Although the coarse loudmouth president Donald Trump and his sidekick Mike Pence promised to protect Christian refugees when they wanted votes, the narcissist is now targeting members of Chaldean-rite Catholic families for deportation. Arrested parents of American-born citizens who were encouraged by their priests to vote for Trump last year are to be expelled. Foolishly and selfishly, these Christians who live in Michigan, one of the three states that swung the election in Trump's favor, took the conman-in-chief at his word.

Luckily, a judge from the one branch of the federal government which is checking the president, has issued a two-week stay on all deportations of Iraqi Christians at the request of the American Civil Liberties union.

"My dad is Christian and Donald Trump is sending him back to a place that is not safe whatsoever," Cynthia Barash, whose father was caught up in the sweep, rold CNN. Moayad, her father, had been charged with a marijuana-related crime decades ago. Most of those arrested have lived in the United States for many years.
Trump wants to deport Iraqi Christians. A federal judge may have just saved them.
Of course the Immigration and Customs Enforcement personnel are only "following orders".

Judge Mark Goldsmith who issued the stay

We can see that all is not lost when the Republicans who have a gerrymandered built-in majority in American government control the Executive and Legislature, the Judiciary will do the right thing, at least until a case makes it to the Republican-controlled Supreme Court.