Who do you blame

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Ron Paul is the closest thing to a real libertarian in our govt and most libertarians would choke on his view of not using the military as a world police force or as nation building.

Huh?? You've got that backwards. Libertarians absolutely support Ron Paul's view on the military. Conservatives are the ones who flip out about it and try to claim he's an isolationist.

 

[uscitizen]

Sacdog knows the Rabeye

 

[hortysir]

What's the difference between Independent and Libertarian?

I remember growing up, Ralph Nader or Ross Perot were the only "other" choices.
Now it seems like everybody and their brother (or sister) are either NOT-Republican or NOT-Democrat.

I thought the 2 big parties were "big tent" enough to let in varying views.....

 

[Avatar4321]

So I am curiuos.... the government is about to drive this thing over a cliff..... who do you blame and what is your political affiliation, what do your plan to do about it......

My affiliation: Independent/Decline to state

Who I blame: Congressional Republicans

What I will do: Donate $1000 to Tom McClintock's competition

I am curious. What exactly do you think is happening that is driving us over a cliff? I suspect that you may see a completely different problem that others of us are.

As for who I blame. I blame: We the people. Every individual in the nation has some responsibility for the mess we are in.

My Affiliation: American.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So I am curiuos.... the government is about to drive this thing over a cliff..... who do you blame and what is your political affiliation, what do your plan to do about it......

My affiliation: Independent/Decline to state

Who I blame: Congressional Republicans

What I will do: Donate $1000 to Tom McClintock's competition

Registered republican

Both parties and Bush started it. Obama is making it worse.

I will volunteer my time for whatever my local party needs come election time. I will also donate whatever I can afford to give after Obama is done digging in my wallet.

Fair enough. I can respect that and thanks for following the theme of the thread.

Yea, your welcome. I don't understand why so many people are incapable of "honest answers and discussions"

No two people are going to think alike and that's what makes our country unique. Or at least it used too. The whole melting pot thing and all. Alas now everyone is consumed with "one uping" the next guy instead of respecting the diversity of opinions. One of my closest friends is a lib and we have a great time jockying back n forth and at the end of the day we dont...................................... FEEL THE NEED TO BE COMPLETE JUVENILE JACKASSES BY CALLING EACH OTHER RADICAL AND INSULTING NAMES

 

[Sactowndog]

Registered republican

Both parties and Bush started it. Obama is making it worse.

I will volunteer my time for whatever my local party needs come election time. I will also donate whatever I can afford to give after Obama is done digging in my wallet.

Fair enough. I can respect that and thanks for following the theme of the thread.

Yea, your welcome. I don't understand why so many people are incapable of "honest answers and discussions"

No two people are going to think alike and that's what makes our country unique. Or at least it used too. The whole melting pot thing and all. Alas now everyone is consumed with "one uping" the next guy instead of respecting the diversity of opinions. One of my closest friends is a lib and we have a great time jockying back n forth and at the end of the day we dont...................................... FEEL THE NEED TO BE COMPLETE JUVENILE JACKASSES BY CALLING EACH OTHER RADICAL AND INSULTING NAMES

Yeah I thought the country had some foundational shared beliefs and I am finding that is not true.... The one for me is that this country strives to provide an equal opportunity for all but doesn't guarentee equal results. Which means those who have succeeded have a greater responsibility to insure those in the next generation have a fair opportunity but they dont have the responsibility to provide equal results for their peers.

 

[8537]

Pffffffffft.

You're a Fabian socialist/progressive, who hasn't he nerve to admit it.

But thanks for stopping by to confirm to us all what poseurs that so-called "independents" are.

^This post brought to you by someone who, with no sense of irony whatsoever, claims to be an independent.

 

[uscitizen]

What's the difference between Independent and Libertarian?

I remember growing up, Ralph Nader or Ross Perot were the only "other" choices.
Now it seems like everybody and their brother (or sister) are either NOT-Republican or NOT-Democrat.

I thought the 2 big parties were "big tent" enough to let in varying views.....

Yep not trepublican or democrat until it comes time to vote....

I voted for Ross btw, he was correct you know.

 

[hortysir]

What's the difference between Independent and Libertarian?

I remember growing up, Ralph Nader or Ross Perot were the only "other" choices.
Now it seems like everybody and their brother (or sister) are either NOT-Republican or NOT-Democrat.

I thought the 2 big parties were "big tent" enough to let in varying views.....

Yep not trepublican or democrat until it comes time to vote....

I voted for Ross btw, he was correct you know.

I liked Mr, Let me show you this Chart, Perot.
I voted for Mr, I didn't Inhale, Clinton though

 

[DaGoose]

Sacdog knows the Rabeye

It usually doesn't take long, even the newbies learn fast.

.

 

[uscitizen]

If only the Rabeye would learn.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What's the difference between Independent and Libertarian?

I remember growing up, Ralph Nader or Ross Perot were the only "other" choices.
Now it seems like everybody and their brother (or sister) are either NOT-Republican or NOT-Democrat.

I thought the 2 big parties were "big tent" enough to let in varying views.....

Yep not trepublican or democrat until it comes time to vote....

I voted for Ross btw, he was correct you know.

I also voted for Ross. Opportunity missed, I believe.

 

[Sactowndog]

What's the difference between Independent and Libertarian?

I remember growing up, Ralph Nader or Ross Perot were the only "other" choices.
Now it seems like everybody and their brother (or sister) are either NOT-Republican or NOT-Democrat.

I thought the 2 big parties were "big tent" enough to let in varying views.....

Yep not trepublican or democrat until it comes time to vote....

I voted for Ross btw, he was correct you know.

I also voted for Ross. Opportunity missed, I believe.

As did I...

 

[hortysir]

Yep not trepublican or democrat until it comes time to vote....

I voted for Ross btw, he was correct you know.

I also voted for Ross. Opportunity missed, I believe.

As did I...

I knew if I left it alone long enough I'd find that final 3rd person that voted for him

 

[ShackledNation]

So I am curiuos.... the government is about to drive this thing over a cliff..... who do you blame and what is your political affiliation, what do your plan to do about it......

My affiliation: Independent/Decline to state

Who I blame: Congressional Republicans

What I will do: Donate $1000 to Tom McClintock's competition

My God why are we talking about who to blame at this stage? The blame goes not to Republicans, not to Democrats, but to GOVERNMENT. It is the government that has caused this mess, and it matters not whether Republicans or Democrats are in control of it because ultimately the same policies get enacted (more welfare, more warfare) despite the rhetoric of the parties.

The solution? Rollback the government. Restore Liberty.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yeah I thought the country had some foundational shared beliefs and I am finding that is not true.... The one for me is that this country strives to provide an equal opportunity for all but doesn't guarentee equal results. Which means those who have succeeded have a greater responsibility to insure those in the next generation have a fair opportunity but they dont have the responsibility to provide equal results for their peers.

This country did have some foundational shared beliefs. When it was founded. Over 200 years have passed. We already had one civil war because of a split in those foundational beliefs. But there is absolutely nothing today to keep us united with foundational shared beliefs.

Can those who believe there is no truth and those believe there is truth that governs the world live peaceably forever? Can those who believe in the hand of Divine Providence and those who deny the existence of Providence meet hand and hand? Maybe for a while.

Take taxation without representation. That was a shared belief at one point. The theory behind it is that the peoples money shouldnt be confiscated and spent without their say in it. Yet I don't think that's a shared belief nowadays.

People used to find taxation as a necessary evil. Only to be done for the public good because taxes come from the labor of the people. Ben Franklin once stated that a governmenet that taxed 10% of a persons time and labor would be onerous. We have 1/3 of our time taxed by the government. And that's still not enough for people. Is it any wonder why people are suffering? Our politicians spend our money to glut themselves and to pay off their campaign supporters on the backs of the people. This was once seen as morally wrong and now people are saying its morally wrong to ease the burdens on the people.

That's hardly all the differences. We are trying to united different cultures now. We need a cultural reformation if we are going to see any real political reformation. People need to start being virtuous and moral if we are going to have a chance to save the Republic. And that takes people making individual choices to do what's right and not just whatever.

 

[Antiderivative]

Yeah I thought the country had some foundational shared beliefs and I am finding that is not true.... The one for me is that this country strives to provide an equal opportunity for all but doesn't guarentee equal results. Which means those who have succeeded have a greater responsibility to insure those in the next generation have a fair opportunity but they dont have the responsibility to provide equal results for their peers.

This country did have some foundational shared beliefs. When it was founded. Over 200 years have passed. We already had one civil war because of a split in those foundational beliefs. But there is absolutely nothing today to keep us united with foundational shared beliefs.

Can those who believe there is no truth and those believe there is truth that governs the world live peaceably forever? Can those who believe in the hand of Divine Providence and those who deny the existence of Providence meet hand and hand? Maybe for a while.

Take taxation without representation. That was a shared belief at one point. The theory behind it is that the peoples money shouldnt be confiscated and spent without their say in it. Yet I don't think that's a shared belief nowadays.

People used to find taxation as a necessary evil. Only to be done for the public good because taxes come from the labor of the people. Ben Franklin once stated that a governmenet that taxed 10% of a persons time and labor would be onerous. We have 1/3 of our time taxed by the government. And that's still not enough for people. Is it any wonder why people are suffering? Our politicians spend our money to glut themselves and to pay off their campaign supporters on the backs of the people. This was once seen as morally wrong and now people are saying its morally wrong to ease the burdens on the people.

That's hardly all the differences. We are trying to united different cultures now. We need a cultural reformation if we are going to see any real political reformation. People need to start being virtuous and moral if we are going to have a chance to save the Republic. And that takes people making individual choices to do what's right and not just whatever.

This is ******* stupid. Why did Washington uses military force to squelch yo9ur freedom.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Yeah I thought the country had some foundational shared beliefs and I am finding that is not true.... The one for me is that this country strives to provide an equal opportunity for all but doesn't guarentee equal results. Which means those who have succeeded have a greater responsibility to insure those in the next generation have a fair opportunity but they dont have the responsibility to provide equal results for their peers.

This country did have some foundational shared beliefs. When it was founded. Over 200 years have passed. We already had one civil war because of a split in those foundational beliefs. But there is absolutely nothing today to keep us united with foundational shared beliefs.

Can those who believe there is no truth and those believe there is truth that governs the world live peaceably forever? Can those who believe in the hand of Divine Providence and those who deny the existence of Providence meet hand and hand? Maybe for a while.

Take taxation without representation. That was a shared belief at one point. The theory behind it is that the peoples money shouldnt be confiscated and spent without their say in it. Yet I don't think that's a shared belief nowadays.

People used to find taxation as a necessary evil. Only to be done for the public good because taxes come from the labor of the people. Ben Franklin once stated that a governmenet that taxed 10% of a persons time and labor would be onerous. We have 1/3 of our time taxed by the government. And that's still not enough for people. Is it any wonder why people are suffering? Our politicians spend our money to glut themselves and to pay off their campaign supporters on the backs of the people. This was once seen as morally wrong and now people are saying its morally wrong to ease the burdens on the people.

That's hardly all the differences. We are trying to united different cultures now. We need a cultural reformation if we are going to see any real political reformation. People need to start being virtuous and moral if we are going to have a chance to save the Republic. And that takes people making individual choices to do what's right and not just whatever.

This is ******* stupid. Why did Washington uses military force to squelch yo9ur freedom.

I reread their post twice and I don't get what your driving at. Granted I'm drinking now but maybe you've had more than me. I didn't see any complaints about the boot of Washington.

Elaborate?

 

[Avatar4321]

This is ******* stupid. Why did Washington uses military force to squelch yo9ur freedom.

You're incredibly vague in your statement and question. I'd like to answer you, but you're going to have to clarify your points.

 

[shintao]

So I am curiuos.... the government is about to drive this thing over a cliff..... who do you blame and what is your political affiliation, what do your plan to do about it......

My affiliation: Independent/Decline to state

Who I blame: Congressional Republicans

What I will do: Donate $1000 to Tom McClintock's competition

Libertarian.

Liberals.

Unbelievable. There is no awakening you people to reality is there. You are lieing if you say you are an independent and blame republicans. I don't hold them completely blameless but how you can not first blame the party (the dems) that doesn't know how to not spend is beyond rational comprehension . The party that ALWAYS says government needs more money and NEVER advocates reducing the size of government?

Hmmm, missed the Clinton era huh?