Who Built the Egyptian Pyramids?

[cnm]

your side argument is just that a side argument

Which you kept including in your responses.

In any case, a hemp rope doesn't have to endure 3 tonne. Adding another rope halves the load on it and so on.

 

[irosie91]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

all the Egyptians had were fulcrums and block and tackle.

And inclines. And human labor. And logs.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

can a hemp rope handle 3 tons?

That's a pretty dumb question. You think they only attached one rope to each stone?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

what kind of boat did they have back then that could move 3 tons?

Who mentioned boats? We are not your assistants. If you have a point to make about boats, make it.

 

[surada]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

 

[irosie91]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Oh----ok---neither do I----but I do know who the ISHMAILIM were

 

[JohnDB]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

 

[irosie91]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

So true----the biblical literature describes that group that left Egypt as MIXED---
HUMANS DO MIX. A reasonable conjecture is NOT ALL THE GREEKS who ventured
to Troy along with ODYSSEUS----were from Ithaca but I do not recall any comment
on it in Homer's version. A factoid. the wife of JOSEPH was, according to biblical
literature----AN EGYPTIAN. That is the mother of MENASHE who is the founder of
a whole tribe (I think---don't quote me---ask Surada) Jews were not actually called
Jews back then----they were "israelites" being of the house of Jacob aka Israel.
(don't let the translations confuse you)

 

[irosie91]

Not Muslims.

There were no Muslims 4500 years ago, stupid.

According to the CMT (critical muslim theory) to which children in muslim
countries are exposed------not only was MOSES a muslim----so was Adam
(the guy born in Aden aka garden of eden)

 

[JohnDB]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

So true----the biblical literature describes that group that left Egypt as MIXED---
HUMANS DO MIX. A reasonable conjecture is NOT ALL THE GREEKS who ventured
to Troy along with ODYSSEUS----were from Ithaca but I do not recall any comment
on it in Homer's version. A factoid. the wife of JOSEPH was, according to biblical
literature----AN EGYPTIAN. That is the mother of MENASHE who is the founder of
a whole tribe (I think---don't quote me---ask Surada) Jews were not actually called
Jews back then----they were "israelites" being of the house of Jacob aka Israel.
(don't let the translations confuse you)

There is no "Tribe of Joseph" in Jewish culture because Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons to give him a backhanded title of "Firstborn" after Reuben blew it and figuring out that Judah was complicit in the deal.

So Manassah and Ephraim were two tribes....but Manassah was the younger of the two boys.

Manassah became so large it's territory was split into "East" and "West".

 

[irosie91]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

So true----the biblical literature describes that group that left Egypt as MIXED---
HUMANS DO MIX. A reasonable conjecture is NOT ALL THE GREEKS who ventured
to Troy along with ODYSSEUS----were from Ithaca but I do not recall any comment
on it in Homer's version. A factoid. the wife of JOSEPH was, according to biblical
literature----AN EGYPTIAN. That is the mother of MENASHE who is the founder of
a whole tribe (I think---don't quote me---ask Surada) Jews were not actually called
Jews back then----they were "israelites" being of the house of Jacob aka Israel.
(don't let the translations confuse you)

There is no "Tribe of Joseph" in Jewish culture because Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons to give him a backhanded title of "Firstborn" after Reuben blew it and figuring out that Judah was complicit in the deal.

So Manassah and Ephraim were two tribes....but Manassah was the younger of the two boys.

Manassah became so large it's territory was split into "East" and "West".

for fun read the death bed speech of Jacob------in which he knocks his lousy sons
apart. Somehow, he decides that JUDAH is the best of the bad lot

 

[JohnDB]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

So true----the biblical literature describes that group that left Egypt as MIXED---
HUMANS DO MIX. A reasonable conjecture is NOT ALL THE GREEKS who ventured
to Troy along with ODYSSEUS----were from Ithaca but I do not recall any comment
on it in Homer's version. A factoid. the wife of JOSEPH was, according to biblical
literature----AN EGYPTIAN. That is the mother of MENASHE who is the founder of
a whole tribe (I think---don't quote me---ask Surada) Jews were not actually called
Jews back then----they were "israelites" being of the house of Jacob aka Israel.
(don't let the translations confuse you)

There is no "Tribe of Joseph" in Jewish culture because Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons to give him a backhanded title of "Firstborn" after Reuben blew it and figuring out that Judah was complicit in the deal.

So Manassah and Ephraim were two tribes....but Manassah was the younger of the two boys.

Manassah became so large it's territory was split into "East" and "West".

for fun read the death bed speech of Jacob------in which he knocks his lousy sons
apart. Somehow, he decides that JUDAH is the best of the bad lot

That is prophesy of their upcoming legacy.
Judah is the named "Firstborn".
Interesting side note is that the right to self rule is given in this passage until the Messiah comes. "Until to whom it belongs" is how it's stated....

Right after the birth of Jesus this right was removed by the Roman Empire....(dead men pay no taxes...and they wanted the taxes)

The religious leaders mourned this for three weeks in sackcloth and ashes because "Rome made God wrong". The actual arrival of the Messiah never crossed their mind.

 

[irosie91]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

So true----the biblical literature describes that group that left Egypt as MIXED---
HUMANS DO MIX. A reasonable conjecture is NOT ALL THE GREEKS who ventured
to Troy along with ODYSSEUS----were from Ithaca but I do not recall any comment
on it in Homer's version. A factoid. the wife of JOSEPH was, according to biblical
literature----AN EGYPTIAN. That is the mother of MENASHE who is the founder of
a whole tribe (I think---don't quote me---ask Surada) Jews were not actually called
Jews back then----they were "israelites" being of the house of Jacob aka Israel.
(don't let the translations confuse you)

There is no "Tribe of Joseph" in Jewish culture because Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons to give him a backhanded title of "Firstborn" after Reuben blew it and figuring out that Judah was complicit in the deal.

So Manassah and Ephraim were two tribes....but Manassah was the younger of the two boys.

Manassah became so large it's territory was split into "East" and "West".

for fun read the death bed speech of Jacob------in which he knocks his lousy sons
apart. Somehow, he decides that JUDAH is the best of the bad lot

That is prophesy of their upcoming legacy.
Judah is the named "Firstborn".
Interesting side note is that the right to self rule is given in this passage until the Messiah comes. "Until to whom it belongs" is how it's stated....

Right after the birth of Jesus this right was removed by the Roman Empire....(dead men pay no taxes...and they wanted the taxes)

The religious leaders mourned this for three weeks in sackcloth and ashes because "Rome made God wrong". The actual arrival of the Messiah never crossed their mind.

by "named first born" I assume you mean----Jacob decided----in fact Reuben was the
first born-----but he did some jerky stuff. In his death bed message, Jacob all but says
"REUBEN, YOU SCHMUCK"

 

[JohnDB]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

So true----the biblical literature describes that group that left Egypt as MIXED---
HUMANS DO MIX. A reasonable conjecture is NOT ALL THE GREEKS who ventured
to Troy along with ODYSSEUS----were from Ithaca but I do not recall any comment
on it in Homer's version. A factoid. the wife of JOSEPH was, according to biblical
literature----AN EGYPTIAN. That is the mother of MENASHE who is the founder of
a whole tribe (I think---don't quote me---ask Surada) Jews were not actually called
Jews back then----they were "israelites" being of the house of Jacob aka Israel.
(don't let the translations confuse you)

There is no "Tribe of Joseph" in Jewish culture because Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons to give him a backhanded title of "Firstborn" after Reuben blew it and figuring out that Judah was complicit in the deal.

So Manassah and Ephraim were two tribes....but Manassah was the younger of the two boys.

Manassah became so large it's territory was split into "East" and "West".

for fun read the death bed speech of Jacob------in which he knocks his lousy sons
apart. Somehow, he decides that JUDAH is the best of the bad lot

That is prophesy of their upcoming legacy.
Judah is the named "Firstborn".
Interesting side note is that the right to self rule is given in this passage until the Messiah comes. "Until to whom it belongs" is how it's stated....

Right after the birth of Jesus this right was removed by the Roman Empire....(dead men pay no taxes...and they wanted the taxes)

The religious leaders mourned this for three weeks in sackcloth and ashes because "Rome made God wrong". The actual arrival of the Messiah never crossed their mind.

by "named first born" I assume you mean----Jacob decided----in fact Reuben was the
first born-----but he did some jerky stuff. In his death bed message, Jacob all but says
"REUBEN, YOU SCHMUCK"

Correct... having sex with your father's concubine (wife's handmaiden) is not a good idea no matter when it's done....it's your brother's mom....aside from the whole age difference thing, that's just gross no matter how you slice it.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Who built the Egyptian pyramids?

There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.

Live Science
Who built the Egyptian pyramids?
Owen Jarus 3 hrs ago


Egypt's pyramids are an archaeological marvel, rising high above the desert sands and visible for miles on end. Building these pyramids was undoubtedly a mammoth task, so who were the individuals that pulled it off?

a man riding a horse in a desert with Great Pyramid of Giza in the background: A Bedouin on a camel by the Pyramids of Khafre and Menkaure at the Giza Necropolis in Egypt.© Provided by Live Science A Bedouin on a camel by the Pyramids of Khafre and Menkaure at the Giza Necropolis in Egypt.
There are many theories about who built Egypt's pyramids, including large teams of enslaved Jewish people and wilder ideas, such as inhabitants of the 'lost' city of Atlantis or even aliens.

None of these theories, however, have evidence to back them up.

The pyramids could not have been constructed by Jewish slaves, as no archaeological remains that can be directly linked to the Jewish people have been found in Egypt that date back to 4,500 years ago, when the Giza pyramids were built, archaeological research has revealed. Additionally the story told in the Hebrew Bible about Jews being slaves in Egypt refers to a city named "Ramesses." A city named pi-Ramesses was founded during the 19th dynasty (about 1295-1186 B.C.) and was named after Ramesses II, who ruled 1279–1213 BC. This city was constructed after the era of pyramid construction had ended in Egypt.

"We have no clue, not even a single word, about early Israelites in Egypt: neither in monumental inscriptions on walls of temples, nor in tomb inscriptions, nor in papyri," wrote archaeologists Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman in their book "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of its Sacred Texts" (The Free Press, 2001).

What's more, no archaeological evidence has ever been found for the lost city of Atlantis in any time period, and many scholars believe that the story is fictional. As for aliens, well, that idea is out of this world.

In fact, all the evidence shows that the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids, Egyptologists say. But how the pyramid builders lived, how they were compensated and how they were treated is a mystery that researchers are still investigating.

The pyramids and their builders
Egypt has more than 100 ancient pyramids, but its most famous include the first step pyramid, built during the reign of the pharaoh Djoser (about 2630-2611 B.C.), and the first true pyramid — one that has smooth sides — built under the rule of pharaoh Snefru (about 2575-2551 B.C.), Mark Lehner wrote in his book, "The Complete Pyramids: Solving the Ancient Mysteries" (Thames & Hudson, 2008). The Great Pyramid was constructed at Giza during the reign of pharaoh Khufu (about 2551-2528 B.C.), and two of his successors, Khafre (about 2520-2494 B.C.) and Menkaure (about 2490-2472 B.C.), also had pyramids built at Giza.

Pharaohs gradually stopped building pyramids during the New Kingdom (1550-1070 B.C.), choosing instead to be buried in the Valley of the Kings, which is located about 300 miles (483 km) south of Giza, Lehner noted in his book. Over the past few decades, archaeologists have found new pieces of evidence that provide clues as to who the pyramid builders were and how they lived.

Surviving written records, including papyri discovered in 2013 at Wadi al-Jarf on Egypt's Red Sea coast, indicate that large groups of workers — sometimes translated as "gangs" — helped bring material to Giza. The papyri found at Wadi al-Jarf tell of a group of 200 men headed by an inspector named Merer. The group of workers transported limestone by boat along the Nile River a distance of about 11 miles (18 kilometers) from Tura to the Great Pyramid, where the stone was used to build the outer casing of the monument.

In the past, Egyptologists had theorized that the pyramid builders were largely made up of seasonal agricultural workers who had reached a point in the year in which there was little agricultural work to be done. However, it remains to be seen whether this is actually true. The papyri detailing the pyramid's histories are still in the process of being deciphered and analyzed, but the results indicate that the gang led by Merer did far more than help with pyramid construction.

continued

You actually hate your Bible.

 

[Indeependent]

You know how much a pyramid stone weighs?

I posted the weight you ridiculous fruitcake. Under 3 tonne.

And I asked for a video showing the tractor lifting one and being able to place in.
You see, it can’t be done.

 

[Indeependent]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

So true----the biblical literature describes that group that left Egypt as MIXED---
HUMANS DO MIX. A reasonable conjecture is NOT ALL THE GREEKS who ventured
to Troy along with ODYSSEUS----were from Ithaca but I do not recall any comment
on it in Homer's version. A factoid. the wife of JOSEPH was, according to biblical
literature----AN EGYPTIAN. That is the mother of MENASHE who is the founder of
a whole tribe (I think---don't quote me---ask Surada) Jews were not actually called
Jews back then----they were "israelites" being of the house of Jacob aka Israel.
(don't let the translations confuse you)

There is no "Tribe of Joseph" in Jewish culture because Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons to give him a backhanded title of "Firstborn" after Reuben blew it and figuring out that Judah was complicit in the deal.

So Manassah and Ephraim were two tribes....but Manassah was the younger of the two boys.

Manassah became so large it's territory was split into "East" and "West".

for fun read the death bed speech of Jacob------in which he knocks his lousy sons
apart. Somehow, he decides that JUDAH is the best of the bad lot

You mean we don’t believe humans are infallible.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

JohnDB

Correct... having sex with your father's concubine (wife's handmaiden) is not a good idea no matter when it's done....it's your brother's mom....aside from the whole age difference thing, that's just gross no matter how you slice it.

Ironic, given that the god character's plans after the creation myth and after the flood myth relied 100% on inbreeding.

 

[irosie91]

surada there is no claim in jewish literature that the "fringe people were jews" no do you
have any evidence that included in the "fringe people" there were not jews. Take a course in
intro. to logic.

The Apiru or Habiru were considered fringe people, Ignorant, landless , lawless etc. I have no idea whether they were Jews or not.

Ok... again this stuff happened over 5,500 years ago.

The slaves were all "apiru" or Hebrew....but that didn't mean that they all were actually descendants of Abraham and Jacob. (Which is what forms the Jewish people)

Not every last Jew left during the Exodus nor did the group that left consist solely of Jacob's descendants either. That would be an assumption based on myth instead of recorded history. And scriptures support this as well.

So true----the biblical literature describes that group that left Egypt as MIXED---
HUMANS DO MIX. A reasonable conjecture is NOT ALL THE GREEKS who ventured
to Troy along with ODYSSEUS----were from Ithaca but I do not recall any comment
on it in Homer's version. A factoid. the wife of JOSEPH was, according to biblical
literature----AN EGYPTIAN. That is the mother of MENASHE who is the founder of
a whole tribe (I think---don't quote me---ask Surada) Jews were not actually called
Jews back then----they were "israelites" being of the house of Jacob aka Israel.
(don't let the translations confuse you)

There is no "Tribe of Joseph" in Jewish culture because Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons to give him a backhanded title of "Firstborn" after Reuben blew it and figuring out that Judah was complicit in the deal.

So Manassah and Ephraim were two tribes....but Manassah was the younger of the two boys.

Manassah became so large it's territory was split into "East" and "West".

for fun read the death bed speech of Jacob------in which he knocks his lousy sons
apart. Somehow, he decides that JUDAH is the best of the bad lot

You mean we don’t believe humans are infallible.

CLEARLY Jacob faced the fact of the fallibility of his progeny----Rachel was
not around to protest