Who Are The Palestinians?
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montelatici
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So, you are now banning posters that present the facts. I didn't know you had such power over USMB.
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Here is a fact. When stolen Palestinian land doesn't have title deed, it is not protected from Israeli settlement expansion.
montelatici
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90% of the the land was stolen from the Christians and Muslims of Palestine by the European invaders. Israeli deeds are like monopoly money.
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Mae ou
How about this for a just solution? All Israeli's & all Palestiniaans without titles or deeds to the land they live on must leave. Fair enough?
montelatici
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As long as they are Ottoman or British Mandatory titles I am fine with it.
P F Tinmore
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Cool, 93% of Israel is leased. The Israelis don't own anything.
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Who are the Palestinians?
Nathalie Handal
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Monti the liar shows us again that he needs lies to promote his agenda. An invasion is a MILITARY OFFENSIVE .
RoccoR
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fanger, et al,
Yes, I believe our friend "Phoenall" is seemingly correct.
First --- the 1939 White Paper was not accepted by the League of Nations (LoN) "Permanent Mandates Commission (PMC) at their thirty-sixth session in June, 1939. The commission reported that: the policy set out in the White Paper was not in accordance with the interpretation which, in agreement with the Mandatory Power and the Council, the Commission had always placed upon the Palestine Mandate.” The RESTRICTIONS were invalid --- and outside the intentions of the LoN and the PMC.
The interpretation to which you suggest has placed restrictions and limitations on immigration --- was never approved or explicitly defined by the Council of the League of Nations. What implementation that was carried out --- was done so without authority.
The 1939 White Papers, while written and approved by the Mandatory, --- was not approved or adopted by PMC of the LoN. There were several reasons for this:
Most Respectfully,
R
Yes, I believe our friend "Phoenall" is seemingly correct.
First --- the 1939 White Paper was not accepted by the League of Nations (LoN) "Permanent Mandates Commission (PMC) at their thirty-sixth session in June, 1939. The commission reported that: the policy set out in the White Paper was not in accordance with the interpretation which, in agreement with the Mandatory Power and the Council, the Commission had always placed upon the Palestine Mandate.” The RESTRICTIONS were invalid --- and outside the intentions of the LoN and the PMC.
Whereas by the aforementioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League of Nations; Preamble Para 7, Mandate for Palestine.
The interpretation to which you suggest has placed restrictions and limitations on immigration --- was never approved or explicitly defined by the Council of the League of Nations. What implementation that was carried out --- was done so without authority.
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The 1939 White Papers, while written and approved by the Mandatory, --- was not approved or adopted by PMC of the LoN. There were several reasons for this:
- The immigration effort to facilitate the establishment of the Jewish National Home was not interpreted in 1939 to violate the customary laws pertaining to the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. (Articles 2, 4, and 6)
- Contrary to popular belief, the 1915 British High Commissioner in Egypt (Sir Henry McMahon), DID NOT offered the Arab Palestinians (soon to be under the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration) any independent Arab state; but rather offered Sherif Hussein of Mecca an independent Arab state (Trans-Jordan, Syria /Iraq) if the Hashemite Bedouins would help the British fight against the Ottoman Turks.
- The Nazification of Germany, beginning in 1933 was in full swing by 1939. The European Leaders and Allied Powers were already aware open antisemitism became the order of the day, and on 9 November 1939 "Kristallnacht" was the effect of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels persecution against the Jews. This demonstrated just how correct the Principle Allied Powers had been in trying to establish a Jewish National Home to protect and preserve the Jewish culture. During "Kristallnacht", nearly 1,000 synagogues were set on fire.
- During World War II Hajj Amin al-Husseini (a former WWI enemy officer in the Ottoman Army and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) collaborated with both Italy and Germany by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping the German's to recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS. The Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem opposed the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home, and favored the Axis Powers. On the conclusion of WWII, Hajj Amin al-Husseini came under French protection, and then sought refuge in Cairo to avoid prosecution by the tribunal. Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who was later to become the first President of the All Palestine Government, was a principle in developing anti-Jewish activities in the Middle East (until about 1959).
Most Respectfully,
R
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The immigration effort to facilitate the establishment of the Jewish National Home was not interpreted, bla, bla, bla.
Where did you get this crap. Got a link?
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RoccoR
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theliq, P F Tinmore, et al,
In 1939, there was no UN, there was no Security Council.
BTW: I will be happy to provide the links once again.
I think your timeline is off. The UN did not come into existence until 1945. So the claim about the UNSC and law just is not applicable; since we are talking 1939. For the most part, most Immigration occurred prior to the Charter coming into force on 24 October 1945; but is even set back farther in time since there was a UK imposed moratorium on large scale immigration during the pre-War years.
The UK (1940-1946), as the Mandatory, afraid of an Arab backlash in the Middle East (that would threaten UK nation interests), closed immigration into Palestine during the remainder of WWII and for a short time thereafter. The UK was instrumental in stranding hundreds of thousands of Jews in Europe, allowing the Germany Regime to continue the Final Solution. In the first Post-War year (mid 1945-1946), the UK (as the Mandatory) continued to make the Jewish survivors suffer further by denying sanctuary in Palestine in order to curry favor with Arabs that might turn insurgents, having favored the Axis Powers during the War; like the Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini. In mid-1946, the US urged the UK to reduce the number of of displaced persons in European Refugee Camps by allowing approximately a hundred-thousand immigrants into the territory to which the Mandate applied.
A White Paper is not law. It is a snapshot in time on the perspective held by a body. In this case, the 1939 White Paper "was not in accordance with the interpretation which, in agreement with the Mandatory Power and the Council, the Commission had always placed upon the Palestine Mandate (A/AC.14/8 2 October 1947)."
It is important to note that several documents made it absolutely clear, to include the one recently cited hear [SUPPLEMENT No. 11 UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY VOLUME 1 (A/364 3 September 1947)]
Most Respectfully,
R
In 1939, there was no UN, there was no Security Council.
BTW: I will be happy to provide the links once again.
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I think your timeline is off. The UN did not come into existence until 1945. So the claim about the UNSC and law just is not applicable; since we are talking 1939. For the most part, most Immigration occurred prior to the Charter coming into force on 24 October 1945; but is even set back farther in time since there was a UK imposed moratorium on large scale immigration during the pre-War years.
- NOTE: In the Post-War London Conference in September 1946, the Arab Delegation propose a one-state solution (AKA: unitary solution) that included:
- (a) Palestine would be a unitary State with a permanent Arab majority, and would attain its independence as such after a short period of transition (two or three years) under British Mandate.
- (b) Within this unitary State, Jews who had acquired Palestinian citizenship (for which the qualification would be ten years’ residence in the country) would have full civil rights, equally with all other citizens of Palestine.
It was universally understood in that time frame, this would seriously jeopardize the entire concept of a Jewish National Home; including the safety, preservation and protection of the Jewish culture. A direct failing of the Allied Powers that contributed to the success of the trapped Jewish population in Europe --- directly related to the Arab alliance with the German Regime.
The UK (1940-1946), as the Mandatory, afraid of an Arab backlash in the Middle East (that would threaten UK nation interests), closed immigration into Palestine during the remainder of WWII and for a short time thereafter. The UK was instrumental in stranding hundreds of thousands of Jews in Europe, allowing the Germany Regime to continue the Final Solution. In the first Post-War year (mid 1945-1946), the UK (as the Mandatory) continued to make the Jewish survivors suffer further by denying sanctuary in Palestine in order to curry favor with Arabs that might turn insurgents, having favored the Axis Powers during the War; like the Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini. In mid-1946, the US urged the UK to reduce the number of of displaced persons in European Refugee Camps by allowing approximately a hundred-thousand immigrants into the territory to which the Mandate applied.
A White Paper is not law. It is a snapshot in time on the perspective held by a body. In this case, the 1939 White Paper "was not in accordance with the interpretation which, in agreement with the Mandatory Power and the Council, the Commission had always placed upon the Palestine Mandate (A/AC.14/8 2 October 1947)."
It is important to note that several documents made it absolutely clear, to include the one recently cited hear [SUPPLEMENT No. 11 UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY VOLUME 1 (A/364 3 September 1947)]
89. The White Paper of 1939 was considered at length during the thirty-sixth session of the Permanent Mandates Commission in June 1939. The substance of its findings, as reported to the Council of the League were:
(a) "That the policy set out . . . was not in accordance with the interpretation which, in agreement with the mandatory Power and the Council, the Commission had always placed upon the Palestine Mandate";
(b) That, regarding the possibility of a new interpretation of the Mandate, with which the White Paper would not be at variance, four members "did not feel able to state that the policy of the White Paper was in conformity with the mandate . . .", while the other three members of the Commission considered that "existing circumstances would justify the policy of the White Paper, provided that the Council did not oppose it,"
(b) That, regarding the possibility of a new interpretation of the Mandate, with which the White Paper would not be at variance, four members "did not feel able to state that the policy of the White Paper was in conformity with the mandate . . .", while the other three members of the Commission considered that "existing circumstances would justify the policy of the White Paper, provided that the Council did not oppose it,"
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R
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The bottom line, Rocco, is that the Mandate was to assist Palestine to independence and "there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation."
BTW, the Jewish Agency was an adviser to the mandate and served at its pleasure subject always to the control of the Administration. It had no legitimate function after the termination of the Mandate.
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The Palestinians are squatters. They blew in with the desert sands when the Jews were expelled after the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132 - 136. They should have been thrown back into the desert after Israel's glorious victory in the Six Day's War of 1967.
The Palestinians have no history, no achievements, and they merit no future.
The Palestinians have no history, no achievements, and they merit no future.
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...continued to make the Jewish survivors suffer further by denying sanctuary in Palestine...
Why should the Palestinians take it up the ass for what was happening in Europe?
RoccoR
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P F Tinmore, et al,
Wrong. The document called the "Mandate for Palestine" is an official commission to perform. It is a legal instrument.
It draws a very distinct difference between the issue of "Jewish National Home" --- and --- "civil and religious rights" (alla 1922) of existing non-Jewish communities. It should be interesting to note that the Mandate for Palestine, as the principle legal directive for that formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, --- within such boundaries as may be fixed the Allied Powers, --- does not use the word "independence" even once in the entire 28 Articles Mandate and the Preamble; let alone stipulate that it requires the Mandatory to "assist Palestine to independence."
The intent of Article 22 of the Covenant, is to render administrative advice and assistance to "certain communities" (NOTE: not all communities --- nor is it singling out the existing non-Jewish communities) to the extent and until such time as --- they are able to stand alone. It is clear that Trans-Jordan, a portion of the territory to which the Mandate is applied, was provisionally recognized in the Mandate as a
Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone.
You, of all people, do not have the right to determine the scope and nature of the mission, function and duties of the Jewish Agency. The Jewish Agency, as a "public body" (an organization whose work is part of the process of government, but is not a government agency) is beyond the reach of the Arab Palestinian in either criticism or critique. The Administration of Palestine by the Mandatory had within its authority the ability to contract with the Article 4 Jewish Agency arrangements to construct or operate, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country. On termination of the Mandate, pursuant to Part I -- Section B Steps Preparatory to Independence --- Paragraph 4, General Assembly Resolution 181(II), --- the UN Palestine Commission shall
While it is true that the Jewish Agency would no longer have a responsibility to the Mandatory once the Mandate terminated, it is the case that the scope and nature of the mission, function and duties of the Jewish Agency would be an assumed responsibility of the Provisional Government of the State of Israel. It is the for the Israeli Government to determine the future of the agency; not an external influences associated with the Hostile Arab Palestinians and Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, which are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Most Respectfully,
R
Wrong. The document called the "Mandate for Palestine" is an official commission to perform. It is a legal instrument.
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It draws a very distinct difference between the issue of "Jewish National Home" --- and --- "civil and religious rights" (alla 1922) of existing non-Jewish communities. It should be interesting to note that the Mandate for Palestine, as the principle legal directive for that formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, --- within such boundaries as may be fixed the Allied Powers, --- does not use the word "independence" even once in the entire 28 Articles Mandate and the Preamble; let alone stipulate that it requires the Mandatory to "assist Palestine to independence."
The intent of Article 22 of the Covenant, is to render administrative advice and assistance to "certain communities" (NOTE: not all communities --- nor is it singling out the existing non-Jewish communities) to the extent and until such time as --- they are able to stand alone. It is clear that Trans-Jordan, a portion of the territory to which the Mandate is applied, was provisionally recognized in the Mandate as a
Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone.
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You, of all people, do not have the right to determine the scope and nature of the mission, function and duties of the Jewish Agency. The Jewish Agency, as a "public body" (an organization whose work is part of the process of government, but is not a government agency) is beyond the reach of the Arab Palestinian in either criticism or critique. The Administration of Palestine by the Mandatory had within its authority the ability to contract with the Article 4 Jewish Agency arrangements to construct or operate, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country. On termination of the Mandate, pursuant to Part I -- Section B Steps Preparatory to Independence --- Paragraph 4, General Assembly Resolution 181(II), --- the UN Palestine Commission shall
4. The Commission, after consultation with the democratic parties and other public organizations of The Arab and Jewish States, shall select and establish in each State as rapidly as possible a Provisional Council of Government. The activities of both the Arab and Jewish Provisional Councils of Government shall be carried out under the general direction of the Commission.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration, to assist and take part in the development of the country. (Article 4 - Mandate for Palestine)
While it is true that the Jewish Agency would no longer have a responsibility to the Mandatory once the Mandate terminated, it is the case that the scope and nature of the mission, function and duties of the Jewish Agency would be an assumed responsibility of the Provisional Government of the State of Israel. It is the for the Israeli Government to determine the future of the agency; not an external influences associated with the Hostile Arab Palestinians and Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, which are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Most Respectfully,
R
"The bottom line, Rocco, is that the Mandate was to assist Palestine to independence"
Which the Palestinians rejected on several occasions. Not to mention they could have declared independence before Israel did, but they didn't have their shit together like the Jews did. Too bad.
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