Who Are The Palestinians?

[toastman]

Monti, you need some Claritin for your allergies.

 

[montelatici]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. LOL Just making up things like Phoney doesn't make it true Toast.

 

[toastman]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. LOL Just making up things like Phoney doesn't make it true Toast.

What did I make up ?

 

[montelatici]

That the locals were the first to attack the European colonists. Using only European sources and not the official governmental sources of the time. In other words using propaganda to support your contention.

 

[toastman]

That the locals were the first to attack the European colonists. Using only European sources and not the official governmental sources of the time. In other words using propaganda to support your contention.

What propaganda sources did I just use ?? All you are doing is deflecting from the fact that I, once again, won the debate.

Arabs were the first ones to kill Jews, and Arabs were the ones who started the aggression. Your pathetic attempts at proving otherwise have failed and will fail.

I need to find someone to debate with who will actually provide me with a challenge. It's getting boring beating you in every debate.

 

[montelatici]

You used Zionist hearsay. I presented governmental records. There is nothing pathetic about presenting documented fact.
You know you are full of shit and the old declaring victory gambit looks so desperate when written in a post. LOL

 

[toastman]

You used Zionist hearsay. I presented governmental records. There is nothing pathetic about presenting documented fact.
You know you are full of shit and the old declaring victory gambit looks so desperate when written in a post. LOL

Of really? The Hebron massacre is Zionist hearsay ? What about the Safed massacre, or the Safed riots??
the first documented massacres consisted of Arabs killing Jews. Your response to that is "Zionist hearsay'.

Is this how you always act when you lose a debate ? By lying ans p crap about the other poster? Very immature

 

[montelatici]

Since the record shows that the Europeans started the violence the tit for tat reprisals do not concern me. Besides, the locals had every right to resist the European intention of evicting them and taking their land. If you cannot understand that, your brainwashing has been so successful that perhaps it isn't fruitful to continue debating.

The Europeans were in Europe and went to Palestine to evict the local people in order to establish a European colony and a separate state for themselves. That is just a fact. If you can't understand that the local people had every right to resist their eviction and dispossession, then there is really no need to continue. Ciao.

 

[toastman]

Since the record shows that the Europeans started the violence the tit for tat reprisals do not concern me. Besides, the locals had every right to resist the European intention of evicting them and taking their land. If you cannot understand that, your brainwashing has been so successful that perhaps it isn't fruitful to continue debating.

The Europeans were in Europe and went to Palestine to evict the local people in order to establish a European colony and a separate state for themselves. That is just a fact. If you can't understand that the local people had every right to resist their eviction and dispossession, then there is really no need to continue. Ciao.

What record are you talking about ?!?!! YOu did not provide ANY record to prove that. Stop lying !

"Besides, the locals had every right to resist the European intention of evicting them and taking their land." Show me where it says that Arabs massacred Jews in Hebron in 1929 because Jews were taking over land.
You're making things up and making excuses for Arab hostilities because you cannot handle the fact that the truth conflicts with your agenda.
But thanks for once again showing that you have no problem with Arabs killing innocent Jews.

"then there is really no need to continue"

Ya, I figured you had enough of being made a fool of. One can only take so much of being proven wrong...over and over and over ..

 

[montelatici]

I have no problem with people being colonized to resist colonization. I presented a report of an American university study that was published by an Israeli newspaper that stated:

"As in so many incidents that enfolded in the early years of Zionism, often researchers have only had access to the version of events written by the Jewish side. At times, one could find another narrative – the official account of events as recorded by the local Ottoman administration.

New documents reveal early Palestinian attitudes toward Zionist settlements - Israel News Haaretz

You have only made a fool of yourself. You are starting to do a Phoney on us. LOL

 

[toastman]

You're the one claiming you made a certain point when you really didn't, not me. I am able to prove my points. You? Not so much.

If I were you , I would stop reading Palestinian propaganda for several months. Then maybe you won't be so brainwashed. Just a suggestion.

 

[Challenger]

You sure are a wonderful mouthpiece for Zionist propaganda.

"The UN is supervising the flow of material. Just one tightly controlled crossing from Israel into Gaza allows commercial goods. Only a tenth of the 5m tonnes of materials required has so far been let in, says the UN. At this rate, it would take 20 years to rebuild the territory, says Mr Sarhan. To buy on the black market you need a lot of cash. Most Gazans are poor. Half have no job."

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...test-war-recovery-distant-prospect-bleak-ever

How is it that someone like you, who spews non stop Palestinian propaganda, has the right to accuse someone else of posting propaganda ? Do you not see the hypocrisy?

So you are saying Aris2chat IS spouting propaganda, thanks for "outing" him.

 

[Challenger]

The truth is Israel is here to stay and the arab musilims are too stupid to realise this. Yes the arab muslims are stupid and extremely hostile to the point of getting themselves killed in their thousands. Still waiting for your link to the evidence that Israel was a colonial project, because it took a hell of a lot of years to get it going and of the ground. You have just described exactly what the arab muslims have done to the Jews and Christians over the last 1400 years. Why as recently as 1949 the arab muslim Palestinians evicted by force Jews from Jerusalem and the west bank stealing their homes, property and valuables. So where is the proof of these murders then Abdul, show the evidence that would stand up in court that the Israelis murder 1000's of women and children every 2 years. That means the deaths were all pre meditated and the individuals picked out beforehand by the Israelis. Killing terrorists and militia is not murder by the way it is one of the less savoury facts of war.

NOW STOP SPREADING YOUR RACIST LIES

Funny how the Palestinians kill some Israeli's & then after Israel retaliates the Pali's & their supporters ***** about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

No, it's called keeping a sense of proportion, of reason, of justice. Someone tries to kill you, fine. Kill them, but not their familly, their neighours, their friends and any innocent bystanders within range. Killing those who try to kill you is retaliation, killing anyone else is bestiality, otherwise called Zionist mentality.

Israel has no reason to intentionally kill innocent civilians. To think that Soldiers and pilots are sent on missions to kill non combatants is absurd. Gaza is a tiny place which is very dense. High casualties are expected.

I see the same repetitive scenario. Hamas launches rockets, Israel does no thing. Hamas launches rockets, Israel bombs one Hamas facility. Hamas increases it's rocket launching, Israel bombs another few Hamas facilities. Repeat the latter several more time. Hamas continues its rockets launching even after being warned by Israel that the will commit to a full scale assault of they don't stop.
Hamas CONTINUES launching rockets, Israel partakes in a full blown assault on Hamas and other militants, Palestinians and their supporters start whining to the world about Israeli 'aggression' claiming they started the war and all people can talk about is how many more Palestinian were killed than Israelis.
Now, I don't have a solution to the conflict, but I do have a solution that would save many many Palestinian lives; STOP LAUNCHING ROCKETS AT ISRAEL

FFS it's really simple !

Raise the sige of Gaza and the rockets will stop. Stop provoking rocket attacks by assassinating Hamas officials and the rockets will stop. Negotiate a settlement in good faith and the rockets will stop. It works both ways.

Zionist Israel has the means to launch guided precision weaponry against launch sites in Gaza, that's indisputable. Carpet bombing neighbourhoods and launching artillery barrages into suburbs demonstates an intent to kill civillians, or at the very least, a reckless disregard for the safety of civillians, both of which are war crimes.

Zionist Israel has the much vaunted Iron Dome system, so why should it need to murder 1,000's of Palestinians in order to "defend itself"?

Ya ya ya, same excuses. Don't launch rockets, and don't provoke Israel. That simple.

Zionist Israel doesn't need provoking, it has a policy called "Mowing the grass", a routine people cull, "justified" by manufactured "provocations" and false lag operations.

 

[toastman]

Funny how the Palestinians kill some Israeli's & then after Israel retaliates the Pali's & their supporters ***** about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

No, it's called keeping a sense of proportion, of reason, of justice. Someone tries to kill you, fine. Kill them, but not their familly, their neighours, their friends and any innocent bystanders within range. Killing those who try to kill you is retaliation, killing anyone else is bestiality, otherwise called Zionist mentality.

Israel has no reason to intentionally kill innocent civilians. To think that Soldiers and pilots are sent on missions to kill non combatants is absurd. Gaza is a tiny place which is very dense. High casualties are expected.

I see the same repetitive scenario. Hamas launches rockets, Israel does no thing. Hamas launches rockets, Israel bombs one Hamas facility. Hamas increases it's rocket launching, Israel bombs another few Hamas facilities. Repeat the latter several more time. Hamas continues its rockets launching even after being warned by Israel that the will commit to a full scale assault of they don't stop.
Hamas CONTINUES launching rockets, Israel partakes in a full blown assault on Hamas and other militants, Palestinians and their supporters start whining to the world about Israeli 'aggression' claiming they started the war and all people can talk about is how many more Palestinian were killed than Israelis.
Now, I don't have a solution to the conflict, but I do have a solution that would save many many Palestinian lives; STOP LAUNCHING ROCKETS AT ISRAEL

FFS it's really simple !

Raise the sige of Gaza and the rockets will stop. Stop provoking rocket attacks by assassinating Hamas officials and the rockets will stop. Negotiate a settlement in good faith and the rockets will stop. It works both ways.

Zionist Israel has the means to launch guided precision weaponry against launch sites in Gaza, that's indisputable. Carpet bombing neighbourhoods and launching artillery barrages into suburbs demonstates an intent to kill civillians, or at the very least, a reckless disregard for the safety of civillians, both of which are war crimes.

Zionist Israel has the much vaunted Iron Dome system, so why should it need to murder 1,000's of Palestinians in order to "defend itself"?

Ya ya ya, same excuses. Don't launch rockets, and don't provoke Israel. That simple.

Zionist Israel doesn't need provoking, it has a policy called "Mowing the grass", a routine people cull, "justified" by manufactured "provocations" and false lag operations.

How many false flag operations can you prove Israel took part in ? Because I always hear these accusations, but I never see any proof.

But you're wrong about not needing provoking. Remember the last conflict between Hamas and Israel?
Hamas launches rockets, Israel does nothing. Repeat several more times.
Hamas launches rockets, Israel bombs one or two Hamas facilities. Repeat several more times.
Hamas continues to launch rockets , even after warnings by Israel that they will commit to a full scale operation.
Only after all this does Israel start its campaign.


So you see Challenger, the excuses that you and your deluded Pali buddies give for Hamas aggression is really just a bunch of Palestinian propaganda. Fail.

 

[toastman]

You sure are a wonderful mouthpiece for Zionist propaganda.

"The UN is supervising the flow of material. Just one tightly controlled crossing from Israel into Gaza allows commercial goods. Only a tenth of the 5m tonnes of materials required has so far been let in, says the UN. At this rate, it would take 20 years to rebuild the territory, says Mr Sarhan. To buy on the black market you need a lot of cash. Most Gazans are poor. Half have no job."

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...test-war-recovery-distant-prospect-bleak-ever

How is it that someone like you, who spews non stop Palestinian propaganda, has the right to accuse someone else of posting propaganda ? Do you not see the hypocrisy?

So you are saying Aris2chat IS spouting propaganda, thanks for "outing" him.

No, I didn't say that, you did. Looks like you have issues with reading comprehension...

 

[aris2chat]

You sure are a wonderful mouthpiece for Zionist propaganda.

"The UN is supervising the flow of material. Just one tightly controlled crossing from Israel into Gaza allows commercial goods. Only a tenth of the 5m tonnes of materials required has so far been let in, says the UN. At this rate, it would take 20 years to rebuild the territory, says Mr Sarhan. To buy on the black market you need a lot of cash. Most Gazans are poor. Half have no job."

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...test-war-recovery-distant-prospect-bleak-ever

How is it that someone like you, who spews non stop Palestinian propaganda, has the right to accuse someone else of posting propaganda ? Do you not see the hypocrisy?

So you are saying Aris2chat IS spouting propaganda, thanks for "outing" him.

No, I didn't say that, you did. Looks like you have issues with reading comprehension...

You expect squirrely to change? That would be a challenge

 

[Phoenall]

It is the Israelis that fear the truth. The whole Israeli propaganda machine is designed to counter the propagation of the facts. Calling Palestinians "just Arabs. particularly hostile and stupid", doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date. Any people would be hostile after being treated as you Jews have treated the Palestinians. Evicting them from their land, holding millions in outdoor prisons and murdering thousands of their women and children every 2 years or so.

As far as "stupid" well, you are a racist p.o.s. what else can said about you.

The truth is Israel is here to stay and the arab musilims are too stupid to realise this. Yes the arab muslims are stupid and extremely hostile to the point of getting themselves killed in their thousands. Still waiting for your link to the evidence that Israel was a colonial project, because it took a hell of a lot of years to get it going and of the ground. You have just described exactly what the arab muslims have done to the Jews and Christians over the last 1400 years. Why as recently as 1949 the arab muslim Palestinians evicted by force Jews from Jerusalem and the west bank stealing their homes, property and valuables. So where is the proof of these murders then Abdul, show the evidence that would stand up in court that the Israelis murder 1000's of women and children every 2 years. That means the deaths were all pre meditated and the individuals picked out beforehand by the Israelis. Killing terrorists and militia is not murder by the way it is one of the less savoury facts of war.

NOW STOP SPREADING YOUR RACIST LIES

Funny how the Palestinians kill some Israeli's & then after Israel retaliates the Pali's & their supporters ***** about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

No, it's called keeping a sense of proportion, of reason, of justice. Someone tries to kill you, fine. Kill them, but not their familly, their neighours, their friends and any innocent bystanders within range. Killing those who try to kill you is retaliation, killing anyone else is bestiality, otherwise called Zionist mentality.

Even if their family, friends and neighbours are also trying to kill you and your friends, family and neighbours. When you understand and realise this then you will realise that the arab muslims are out to kill everyone. You need to immerse yourself in Islamic culture to understand how they think, just as the allies immersed themselves in Japanese culture in the 1940's to understand what to us were barbaric practises. You never see one muslim protesting you always see a group because there is safety in numbers, and the leaders can always run away.

"You need to immerse yourself in Islamic culture to understand how they think" Really?
How many Islamic countries have you been to?
How many Muslim Mosques/social clubs do you visit on a regular basis socially?
How many Muslim families are you friends with?

NONE but then this would show nothing that was not freely available on the net

A few until they became secretive and aggressive

A fair number until they became controlled by extremist clerics.

A true story for you to ponder.

We had a very westernised muslim who worked in our department, and he would join in with our monthly bacon/egg/sausage breakfast butties. Often asking which bacon and sausages he should bring in when it was his turn. He contracted a disease that the doctors could not cure and he died after a short illness of just 3 months, so we all wanted to show our respects for a much respected and liked workmate. One of the other lads was a very close friend of the family so he went round and asked about funeral arrangements and if there were any special practises the lads at work should follow. The muslims family were adamant that no filthy kuffars would be present at any time and banned all of his friends from work from the mosque and surrounding areas. All this because one of his cousin from Pakistan who was to travel back with his body was an extremist and had laid down the law on the family.

That is just one aspect of Islamic culture that is becoming more and more common in the UK.

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinian's home was Palestine. The Europeans are now living there. Send the Europeans back to Europe. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Then send the Syrians, Egyptians, Jordanians and Iranians back home as well. This would mean Israel would have about 6 million inhabitants and Palestine about 500,000 inhabitants. Are you serious about this Abdul, will you force the inhabitants to take DNA tests to determine their original homeland. What will you do when the Jews DNA shows they are related very closely to Jews from the surrounding areas. What islamomoron propaganda will you pull in that case, claim the Jews have transplanted DNA into their bodies. What about when the Palestinians are tested and found to be from other nations and recent arrivals, claim that because they are arab then they should stay.

The Jews came from Europe and colonized Palestine. It wouldn't matter what their DNA revealed. But, as neutral studies have determined, the Jews from Europe are European in terms of DNA.

"Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European"

Surprise Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

So you get this from a book, a work of fiction based on history accounts. It even says that depending on what part of the genome you study it shows the Ashkenazi Jews came from the area of Israel

No, he gets it from a scientific study. Since you apparently can't function without "links", here's one to the actual study itself. A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages Nature Communications Nature Publishing Group

As I said a book co written by two authors. Not a real scientific paper is it.


As for your link did you read what it said, and did you understand it fully

Here we show that all four major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus.


Pre history means before recorded history meaning that the 4 major founders could have migrated during the last Ice Age to the M.E and founded the lineage. They could have been captured slaves, or escaped slaves used as sex slaves by other people and freed by the Jews . You are clutching at straws in using books to substantiate your claims when you ant find any scientific works to do so.

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinian's home was Palestine. The Europeans are now living there. Send the Europeans back to Europe. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Then send the Syrians, Egyptians, Jordanians and Iranians back home as well. This would mean Israel would have about 6 million inhabitants and Palestine about 500,000 inhabitants. Are you serious about this Abdul, will you force the inhabitants to take DNA tests to determine their original homeland. What will you do when the Jews DNA shows they are related very closely to Jews from the surrounding areas. What islamomoron propaganda will you pull in that case, claim the Jews have transplanted DNA into their bodies. What about when the Palestinians are tested and found to be from other nations and recent arrivals, claim that because they are arab then they should stay.

How INSANE for you to mutter that Jews are related closely to Jews from surrounding areas...................which they are not for obvious reasons.....Your Posts Are Getting More BIZZARE by the day............................You crazy baldhead.www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uCkSGYOv8

I have posted the links showing just this from a non partisan source...............

Where?

On here many times, and just like your link to your definition of Zionist you will have to search for them yourself.

 

[Phoenall]

It is the Israelis that fear the truth. The whole Israeli propaganda machine is designed to counter the propagation of the facts. Calling Palestinians "just Arabs. particularly hostile and stupid", doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date. Any people would be hostile after being treated as you Jews have treated the Palestinians. Evicting them from their land, holding millions in outdoor prisons and murdering thousands of their women and children every 2 years or so.

As far as "stupid" well, you are a racist p.o.s. what else can said about you.

The truth is Israel is here to stay and the arab musilims are too stupid to realise this. Yes the arab muslims are stupid and extremely hostile to the point of getting themselves killed in their thousands. Still waiting for your link to the evidence that Israel was a colonial project, because it took a hell of a lot of years to get it going and of the ground. You have just described exactly what the arab muslims have done to the Jews and Christians over the last 1400 years. Why as recently as 1949 the arab muslim Palestinians evicted by force Jews from Jerusalem and the west bank stealing their homes, property and valuables. So where is the proof of these murders then Abdul, show the evidence that would stand up in court that the Israelis murder 1000's of women and children every 2 years. That means the deaths were all pre meditated and the individuals picked out beforehand by the Israelis. Killing terrorists and militia is not murder by the way it is one of the less savoury facts of war.

NOW STOP SPREADING YOUR RACIST LIES

Funny how the Palestinians kill some Israeli's & then after Israel retaliates the Pali's & their supporters ***** about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

No, it's called keeping a sense of proportion, of reason, of justice. Someone tries to kill you, fine. Kill them, but not their familly, their neighours, their friends and any innocent bystanders within range. Killing those who try to kill you is retaliation, killing anyone else is bestiality, otherwise called Zionist mentality.

Israel has no reason to intentionally kill innocent civilians. To think that Soldiers and pilots are sent on missions to kill non combatants is absurd. Gaza is a tiny place which is very dense. High casualties are expected.

I see the same repetitive scenario. Hamas launches rockets, Israel does no thing. Hamas launches rockets, Israel bombs one Hamas facility. Hamas increases it's rocket launching, Israel bombs another few Hamas facilities. Repeat the latter several more time. Hamas continues its rockets launching even after being warned by Israel that the will commit to a full scale assault of they don't stop.
Hamas CONTINUES launching rockets, Israel partakes in a full blown assault on Hamas and other militants, Palestinians and their supporters start whining to the world about Israeli 'aggression' claiming they started the war and all people can talk about is how many more Palestinian were killed than Israelis.
Now, I don't have a solution to the conflict, but I do have a solution that would save many many Palestinian lives; STOP LAUNCHING ROCKETS AT ISRAEL

FFS it's really simple !

Raise the sige of Gaza and the rockets will stop. Stop provoking rocket attacks by assassinating Hamas officials and the rockets will stop. Negotiate a settlement in good faith and the rockets will stop. It works both ways.

Zionist Israel has the means to launch guided precision weaponry against launch sites in Gaza, that's indisputable. Carpet bombing neighbourhoods and launching artillery barrages into suburbs demonstates an intent to kill civillians, or at the very least, a reckless disregard for the safety of civillians, both of which are war crimes.

Zionist Israel has the much vaunted Iron Dome system, so why should it need to murder 1,000's of Palestinians in order to "defend itself"?

No siege in 2005 when the Israelis evacuated gaza and the rockets became worse in numbers and frequency. So that destroys your argument.
Stop firing rockets and the killing of valid military targets will stop.
First you have to get hamas/fatah to show some good faith and agree to talks on a settlement without illegal pro conditions.

Even guided precision weaponry can go off target, but in many cases the Israel weapons hit their intended targets and set of the stored weapons there. That is what cause most of the destruction. As for launching artillery barrages into suburbs if hamas did not seed the suburbs with rocket launchers then there would be no need to blanket bomb them. The only war crimes according to the ICC are those practised by hamas.

LINK to substantiate your RACIST claim that Israel murdered 1,000's of Palestinians, or retract and admit that you are LYING