Who Are The Palestinians?

[montelatici]

You Zio Nazis have short memories.

"Yes, how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
Pretending he just doesn't see?"

 

[montelatici]

 

[montelatici]

You ZioNazis just don't see, as Dylan sang.

 

[Phoenall]

But when the Mandate Terminate, there was the successor governments were first the UNPC and the the Mediator who replaced the UNPC.

Could you document the activities of the UNPC and the Mediator after May 15, 1948?

There was not any as there was no mediation to take place. The Palestinians exercised their free will and free determination and became part of Jordan and Egypt

You ZioNazis just don't see, as Dylan sang.

OXYMORON AGAIN MORON

 

[Phoenall]

And by your use of the terms Zionist and hasbara you prove beyond reasonable doubt that your mind is closed to the truth. All you want to see is your warped version of reality and the arab muslims "truths" being peddled. You don't want to see Islamic sources saying that arab muslims were very thin on the ground in Palestine prior to the Ottoman's inviting Jews to migrate and settle. You don't want to see the original acceptance by arab muslims to the Jews taking Palestine as their homeland as back then it was worthless desert. You don't want to see the evidence of mass illegal immigration by arab muslims. You don't want to see the atrocities committed by arab muslims in Palestine against all non muslims. because to admit that these are truth and reality would mean your brainwashing was wrong.

Israelis and Jewish people use the terms Zionist and Hasbara all the time; the word "Hasbara" is an Israeli word for goodness sake! I use the words for the purpose of clarity; being precise in defining what I'm talking about. I prefer to use the phrase "Jewish person" over the word "Jew" as I consider the word both derogatory and racist. I'm more than happy to look at any source but I'm allowed to be skeptical about any source's veracity and objectivity, as well as it's accuracy.

What source of yours says, "...that arab muslims were very thin on the ground in Palestine prior to the Ottoman's inviting Jews to migrate and settle"? I'll look at it.

What source of yours talks about, "acceptance by arab muslims to the Jews taking Palestine as their homeland as back then it was worthless desert."? I'll look at it as well.

What source of yours provides, "evidence of mass illegal immigration by arab muslims" ? I'll look at it.

What source of yours catalogues, "the atrocities committed by arab muslims in Palestine against all non muslims."? I'll look at that too, without fear and with an open mind.

No you use the terms in the same way the Germans spewed out **** and juden, or the way the arab muslims used Palestinian when referring to the Jews.
You have still to give your personal definition of Zionist because you know it will show you as a RACIST POS

Try the ottomans reports of Palestine prior to 1870 when they failed to get arab muslims to colonise the land and turn it into valuable arable farms. 3 times they tried and each time the arab muslims up sticks and left, the same arab muslims that later came back and tried to claim they had lived in Palestine for 3,000 years.

The Mcmahon letters

The reports by Winston Churchill when he was foreign secretary

The 1929 massacre of Jews in Hebron, the ethnic cleansing of Christians from gaza and the west bank since 2005 and the civil wars or 1930 and 1945

You have either links or references to these sources? There are thousands of Ottoman documents prior to 1870 for example; I have neither the time nor the inclination to go through what's available in print or the net.

They are your claims; it's up to you to back them up.

So you are not prepared to do as you said because you know that the reports will say different to what you have been told.

Show me something specific to look at that proves your point, or even supports your assertions, and I'll look at it, vague references don't count as citations.

They are specifics as the massacres of Jews in hebron is well documented

They are not vague but specific in that the details are there in official Ottoman reports. Try looking for failed arab muslim colonisation of Palestine by the ottomans, or failed migration of arab muslims to Palestine under ottoman rule

Please provide links to these amazing discoveries in the Ottoman Archives.[/QUOTE]





Learn to read and understand English before replying to posts, no wonder you are laughed at all the time. Have you opened up your facebook page for general viewing yet ?

 

[Phoenall]

From A/RES/186 (S-2)

"(i) Arrange for the operation of common services necessary to the safety and well-being of the population of Palestine;"

Which, the UN did not do. Or else the Christians and Muslims would not be in the situation they are in today. The Israelis murder thousands of them every 2 years or so.

PROOF or you could be in serious trouble for slander and libel. Look at the definition of murder and you will see that it is hamas that is guilty of that crime not Israel.

Once again you try and apply 2015 laws retrospectively to 1923 problems and it will never work.

 

[Phoenall]

You Zio Nazis have short memories.

"Yes, how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
Pretending he just doesn't see?"

Tell it to the arab muslims that keep millions in slavery, mostly Christians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I provided much of this information before.

But when the Mandate Terminate, there was the successor governments were first the UNPC and the the Mediator who replaced the UNPC.

Could you document the activities of the UNPC and the Mediator after May 15, 1948?

(COMMENT)

• 05/14/1948
  
  A/RES/186 (S-2) United Nations Mediator in Palestine/ Appointment, terms of reference/ End of UN Palestine Commission - Resolution
• 05/17/1948 PAL/169 Palestine question - Palestine Commission adjourns sine die - Press release
• 05/17/1948 A/AC.21/12/Rev.1 UN Palestine Commission - Documents distributed to the Commission - Note by Secretariat (Rev.1)
  • Friday, 9 January 1948 thru Monday, 17 May 1948
• 08/11/1949
  
  S/RES/73 (1949) S/1376, II Armistice Agreements/SecCo truce superseded/ Acting Mediator relieved of resp./UNTSO - SecCo resolution

This is just some of the material available.

Most Respectfully,
R

IOW, nothing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is because in a matter of hours after the State of Israel is proclaimed, the Arab Armies crossed their borders and launch an attack into Israel.

How about you post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where they went into Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The borders as originally depicted and outlined (proposed resolution 181 borders) would have conformed to the proposal had it not been for Arab Army aggression.

Not true.

Israel violated those borders before Israel declared independence.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Many of your arguments are based on the misguided notion that there was automatically a "State of Palestine" after the Mandate Terminated.

It doesn't matter. People have the same rights without regard to the political status of where they live.

Being "a state" has no relevance.

 

[Phoenall]

That is because in a matter of hours after the State of Israel is proclaimed, the Arab Armies crossed their borders and launch an attack into Israel.

How about you post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where they went into Israel?

There are no 1948 maps of Israel just as there are no maps of the nation of Palestine. So how about you show where Palestine exists on the ground ?

Then we can discuss their free determination and integrity ?

 

[Phoenall]

The borders as originally depicted and outlined (proposed resolution 181 borders) would have conformed to the proposal had it not been for Arab Army aggression.

Not true.

Israel violated those borders before Israel declared independence.

Were those borders fixed by International treaty or were they just proposals. Before they became internationally recognised they did not exist so how could Israel have violated those borders. Much as the 1967 borders have never existed so can not be used as a staring point in any negotiations.

 

[Phoenall]

Many of your arguments are based on the misguided notion that there was automatically a "State of Palestine" after the Mandate Terminated.

It doesn't matter. People have the same rights without regard to the political status of where they live.

Being "a state" has no relevance.

Does that not also apply to the Jews of the world who were granted Palestinian citizenship by the LoN, or are you deliberately discounting their rights in favour of the arab muslim illegal immigrants.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is because in a matter of hours after the State of Israel is proclaimed, the Arab Armies crossed their borders and launch an attack into Israel.

How about you post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where they went into Israel?

There are no 1948 maps of Israel just as there are no maps of the nation of Palestine. So how about you show where Palestine exists on the ground ?

Then we can discuss their free determination and integrity ?

 

[MJB12741]

That is because in a matter of hours after the State of Israel is proclaimed, the Arab Armies crossed their borders and launch an attack into Israel.

How about you post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where they went into Israel?

There are no 1948 maps of Israel just as there are no maps of the nation of Palestine. So how about you show where Palestine exists on the ground ?

Then we can discuss their free determination and integrity ?

Thank you for your unbiased, well documented maps from ArabBay.com

 

[Phoenall]

That is because in a matter of hours after the State of Israel is proclaimed, the Arab Armies crossed their borders and launch an attack into Israel.

How about you post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where they went into Israel?

There are no 1948 maps of Israel just as there are no maps of the nation of Palestine. So how about you show where Palestine exists on the ground ?

Then we can discuss their free determination and integrity ?

As I said no maps of the nation of Palestine, all you produce are maps of the Mandate of Palestine. Keep trying

 

[Phoenall]

That is because in a matter of hours after the State of Israel is proclaimed, the Arab Armies crossed their borders and launch an attack into Israel.

How about you post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where they went into Israel?

There are no 1948 maps of Israel just as there are no maps of the nation of Palestine. So how about you show where Palestine exists on the ground ?

Then we can discuss their free determination and integrity ?

Thank you for your unbiased, well documented maps from ArabBay.com

Yep maps of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is because in a matter of hours after the State of Israel is proclaimed, the Arab Armies crossed their borders and launch an attack into Israel.

How about you post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where they went into Israel?

There are no 1948 maps of Israel just as there are no maps of the nation of Palestine. So how about you show where Palestine exists on the ground ?

Then we can discuss their free determination and integrity ?

As I said no maps of the nation of Palestine, all you produce are maps of the Mandate of Palestine. Keep trying

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

 

[Phoenall]

That is because in a matter of hours after the State of Israel is proclaimed, the Arab Armies crossed their borders and launch an attack into Israel.

How about you post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where they went into Israel?

There are no 1948 maps of Israel just as there are no maps of the nation of Palestine. So how about you show where Palestine exists on the ground ?

Then we can discuss their free determination and integrity ?

As I said no maps of the nation of Palestine, all you produce are maps of the Mandate of Palestine. Keep trying

The Mandate was not a place. The Mandate was a temporarily appointed administration. It never claimed possession of any land.

The MANDATE was a legal document drawn up by the LEGAL LAND OWNERS of the old Ottoman empires lands. The Mandate for Palestine had international borders to differentiate it from the other mandates and the nations already in existence. You once again confuse the Mandate for Palestine with the British mandate, two completely separate entities. The LoN claimed possession and portioned the land into MANDATES that were ruled by MANDATORY POWERS. All you ever produce is the maps of the Mandate of Palestines borders, never the nation of palestines borders. And the Jewish home was to be resurrected within those borders as laid down in the Mandate