Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Who told you that?

Link?

You need a link that proves Palestine was not a country ? Why ? Every time we post links to counter your bullshit , you still don’t admit you’re wrong ..

Links to Israeli propaganda sites don't count. What else you got?

So when I post links from Wikipedia that clearly state Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS, that’s a propaganda site ? Lol!!! You got nothing Tinmore.. nothing but Palestinian lies , and so you claim we use Israeli propaganda sites

Did they say de jure borders?

 

[Mindful]

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[rylah]

"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for re-constituting their national home in that country."

What was the JNH under the Mandate?

ART. 7.​

​

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.​

Why would the Palestinians and the Jews become nationals and citizens of a place that was not a state?

I don't quiet understand what are you alluding here...

The JHN was the representative of the Jewish majority,
and acquisition of citizenship is the formal relationship
between a govt, in this case the British Mandate Admin
and the residents of a territory it administers.

The Mandate as you yourself stated many times, was not a sovereign state,
neither founded and administered by or designated for an Arab state.

It was merely and administration, designated by international law,
for helping in the re-constitution of the Jewish National Home.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for re-constituting their national home in that country."

What was the JNH under the Mandate?

ART. 7.​

​

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.​

Why would the Palestinians and the Jews become nationals and citizens of a place that was not a state?

I don't quiet understand what are you alluding here...

The JHN was the representative of the Jewish majority,
and acquisition of citizenship is the formal relationship
between a govt, in this case the British Mandate Admin
and the residents of a territory it administers.

The Mandate as you yourself stated many times, was not a sovereign state,
neither founded and administered by or designated for an Arab state.

It was merely and administration, designated by international law,
for helping in the re-constitution of the Jewish National Home.

I don't quiet understand what are you alluding here...

Indeed, it does not fit your Israeli propaganda,

 

[Mindful]

"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for re-constituting their national home in that country."

What was the JNH under the Mandate?

ART. 7.​

​

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.​

Why would the Palestinians and the Jews become nationals and citizens of a place that was not a state?

I don't quiet understand what are you alluding here...

The JHN was the representative of the Jewish majority,
and acquisition of citizenship is the formal relationship
between a govt, in this case the British Mandate Admin
and the residents of a territory it administers.

The Mandate as you yourself stated many times, was not a sovereign state,
neither founded and administered by or designated for an Arab state.

It was merely and administration, designated by international law,
for helping in the re-constitution of the Jewish National Home.

I don't quiet understand what are you alluding here...

Indeed, it does not fit your Israeli propaganda,

A none answer. Totally.

 

[rylah]

Israel is entitled to take such measures that may be necessary to secure the State of Israel and the Jewish National Home (JNH) from external forces.

According to the LoN and the Mandate, the JNH was not supposed to be a Jewish state. No Jewish state was created.

The UN, under Resolution 181, attempted to create a Jewish state but failed.

So no official body created Israel.

Not according to Lon and the Mandate, but according to a later quote by Churchil.
However the language of the international law you've brought up, says the exact opposite:

"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for re-constituting their national home in that country."

Resolution 181 was actually the first time ever an Arab state was suggested,
wasn't binding, and failed. The official body creating Israel was...Israel themselves.

Need that explained?

That brings up some questions that you will not answer.

Why are the West Bank and Gaza Strip called the OPT? (Occupied Palestinian Territory) What are the history and process for that designation?

Why do the Palestinians call Israel "48?"

Right, I can but won't.

If you have a point make it, no one has to address your general questions
every time you want to sidestep the lie you've been just caught on.

 

[Hollie]

The Palestinians are the only people who can cede their territory to Israel.

They didn't own any territory, how can they cede it?

Load of Israeli hooey. Negotiating borders is a final status issue. How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

You don't make any sense.

How can the Palestinians negotiate borders when they have no territory?

Why should anyone negotiate with the Palestinians, who you admit have no territory?

You make me laugh.

Poor attempt at a duck.

Never was a country, never owned any territory.

Not a duck in sight.

Who told you that?

Link?

You need a link that proves Palestine was not a country ? Why ? Every time we post links to counter your bullshit , you still don’t admit you’re wrong ..

Links to Israeli propaganda sites don't count. What else you got?

So when I post links from Wikipedia that clearly state Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS, that’s a propaganda site ? Lol!!! You got nothing Tinmore.. nothing but Palestinian lies , and so you claim we use Israeli propaganda sites

Did they say de jure borders?

Indeed, did the Pally's who tried and failed to breach the de jure Israeli borders during the border gee only commit a de jure failure?

 

[toastman]

Israel is entitled to take such measures that may be necessary to secure the State of Israel and the Jewish National Home (JNH) from external forces.

According to the LoN and the Mandate, the JNH was not supposed to be a Jewish state. No Jewish state was created.

The UN, under Resolution 181, attempted to create a Jewish state but failed.

So no official body created Israel.

Not according to Lon and the Mandate, but according to a later quote by Churchil.
However the language of the international law you've brought up, says the exact opposite:

"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for re-constituting their national home in that country."

Resolution 181 was actually the first time ever an Arab state was suggested,
wasn't binding, and failed. The official body creating Israel was...Israel themselves.

Need that explained?

That brings up some questions that you will not answer.

Why are the West Bank and Gaza Strip called the OPT? (Occupied Palestinian Territory) What are the history and process for that designation?

Why do the Palestinians call Israel "48?"

Right, I can but won't.

If you have a point make it, no one has to address your general questions
every time you want to sidestep the lie you've been just caught on.

Yup. This is a well known tactic of Tinmore ..

 

[Hollie]

The Islamic terrorists have a snappy sing along.

“My machine gun and my bullets are the path to salvation”


PA: “In every tune – a bullet, in every lyric – a rifle”

PA: “In every tune – a bullet, in every lyric – a rifle” | PMW Analysis

“My machine gun and my bullets are the path to salvation” – PA highlights songs about bullets and rifles

palwatch.org

Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Mar 25, 2021

• “My machine gun and my bullets are the path to salvation” – PA highlights songs about bullets and rifles
• “Pull along the cannon, self-sacrificing fighter… I will carve my path with my blood”
• “A self-sacrificing fighter carried the rifle and went out towards the Zionists”

The PA’s “hit parade” in the PA TV program Tune of the Homeland continues to promote songs that romanticize, stress, and even promote the “armed struggle” and the use of violence and terror against Israel. Recently the narrator of the PA’s quiz program about “national songs” even highlighted the beauty of these songs:

 

[Hollie]

I was struggling a bit with a statement issued by one of the Islamic terrorist mouthpieces for the PA. Apparently, we’re to believe “peace can only be achieved through talks with it”

While likely intended to diminish the competing Islamic terrorist franchise occupying Gaza, there’s the usual “what are these idiots thinking” reaction with the celebrity, hero status assigned by the PA to misfit Pally killers of Israeli citizens.

PA: Peace can only be achieved through Palestine leadership

The Palestinian Authority (PA) said yesterday that peace can only be achieved through talks with it, a statement issued by the PA Foreign Ministry said. This came after remarks made...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

The Palestinian Authority (PA) said yesterday that peace can only be achieved through talks with it, a statement issued by the PA Foreign Ministry said.

This came after remarks made by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during an interview with Israel's Arabic news network Panet, addressing Arab voters in Israel.

He said that peace with the Palestinians could be achieved after the normalisation of ties with the Arab states, adding that he does not see a possible creation of a sovereign Palestinian state.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: “peace can only be achieved through talks with it”
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

BLUF: The words say one thing, but it remains to be seen if this truly represents a paradigm shift (a dynamic change in the worldview underlying the theories and of a central faction within the Palestinian Community).

I was struggling a bit with a statement issued by one of the Islamic terrorist mouthpieces for the PA. Apparently, we’re to believe “peace can only be achieved through talks with it”

(COMMENT)

Both the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) state emphatically:

​

◈ HAMAS: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."​

​

◈ PLO: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.​

While we might hear the words, we do not see any demonstration of this in reality. The Arab Palestinians do not yet, even after a Century since the San Remo Agreement (1920), speak with one unified voice. What HAMAS says is not necessarily what Fatah says. And while the PLO Negotiation Affairs Department outlines nine issues that have been subject to the Permanent Status of Negotiation, which they never get to, HAMAS says:

"The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination."​

​

It is more probable that the statement made by the Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad Al-Maliki will be modified and reinterpreted by the Ramallah Government, if it can actually be defined as a government. Yes, the few words by Minister Al-Maliki it will be interesting to see if they actually have any power behind them.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: “peace can only be achieved through talks with it”
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

BLUF: The words say one thing, but it remains to be seen if this truly represents a paradigm shift (a dynamic change in the worldview underlying the theories and of a central faction within the Palestinian Community).

I was struggling a bit with a statement issued by one of the Islamic terrorist mouthpieces for the PA. Apparently, we’re to believe “peace can only be achieved through talks with it”

(COMMENT)

Both the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) state emphatically:

​

◈ HAMAS: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."​

​

◈ PLO: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.​

While we might hear the words, we do not see any demonstration of this in reality. The Arab Palestinians do not yet, even after a Century since the San Remo Agreement (1920), speak with one unified voice. What HAMAS says is not necessarily what Fatah says. And while the PLO Negotiation Affairs Department outlines nine issues that have been subject to the Permanent Status of Negotiation, which they never get to, HAMAS says:

"The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination."​

​

It is more probable that the statement made by the Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad Al-Maliki will be modified and reinterpreted by the Ramallah Government, if it can actually be defined as a government. Yes, the few words by Minister Al-Maliki it will be interesting to see if they actually have any power behind them.

Most Respectfully,
R

"The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination."

Right on!

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: “peace can only be achieved through talks with it”
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

BLUF: The words say one thing, but it remains to be seen if this truly represents a paradigm shift (a dynamic change in the worldview underlying the theories and of a central faction within the Palestinian Community).

I was struggling a bit with a statement issued by one of the Islamic terrorist mouthpieces for the PA. Apparently, we’re to believe “peace can only be achieved through talks with it”

(COMMENT)

Both the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) state emphatically:

​

◈ HAMAS: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."​

​

◈ PLO: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.​

While we might hear the words, we do not see any demonstration of this in reality. The Arab Palestinians do not yet, even after a Century since the San Remo Agreement (1920), speak with one unified voice. What HAMAS says is not necessarily what Fatah says. And while the PLO Negotiation Affairs Department outlines nine issues that have been subject to the Permanent Status of Negotiation, which they never get to, HAMAS says:

"The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination."​

​

It is more probable that the statement made by the Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad Al-Maliki will be modified and reinterpreted by the Ramallah Government, if it can actually be defined as a government. Yes, the few words by Minister Al-Maliki it will be interesting to see if they actually have any power behind them.

Most Respectfully,
R

"The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination."

Right on!

Flail your Pom Poms for islamic terrorist misfits.

 

[Hollie]

It's emblematic of the "misfit" chararacterization defining the Pal enclaves that Haniyeh is speculating on the Pal alphabet soup configuration of councils, organizations, committees and quasi Emir'ships.

The joke here is that Haniyeh has been muzzled for three years by Egyptian authorities who keep him on a very short leash.

Hamas head supports ‘popular resistance’ to gain legitimacy ahead of Palestinian elections - JNS.org

Hamas politburo head Ismail Haniyeh’s ambiguous statements regarding what the terror group’s post-election plans are represent an apparent attempt to hold the stick at both ends.

www.jns.org

Two essential points stand out in Haniyeh’s article. First, he emphasizes that Hamas prefers to run for the PLC elections, as part of “a joint national list encompassing the widest possible spectrum of national [forces].” Second, he stresses that after the elections the Palestinians will have to formulate a strategy for confronting Israel “using all forms of struggle that are possible for our people—chief of them military resistance, while focusing on popular resistance at the present stage.”

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

“Palestinians lag”. Well, yeah.

Odd. The Islamic terrorists have lots of welfare money to pay their Islamic terrorists who kill in furtherance of the gee-had. Welfare money to pay for vaccine, not so much.

Half of Israelis fully vaccinated as Palestinians lag

While half of Israelis have received second vaccine dose, vaccine rollout in occupied Palestinian areas is much slower.

www.aljazeera.com

More than half of Israel’s 9.2 million people have received both doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine against COVID-19, the health ministry has said.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

“From the River to the Sea”?