Zone1 "White privilege" does not exist, it is a lie.

[JoeB131]

Joe’s thoughts about killing off “unproductive” elderly is what the Marxist/socialists people think. (His hatred of Jews, due to their above-average success levels, is just pure antisemitism.)

You are the one who wants to kill off poor children because you didn't approve of their lifestyle choices.

That poor kid might grow up to be productive some day, as opposed to Nana, who is well past her "Best Used" date. Yet the rest of us are supposed to subsidize her well into her 90s?

Of course, you don't do either in a humane, decent society. In your kind of society, though, you do both to give tax breaks to rich people. Let's not forget Paul Ryan and his various attempts to slash Medicare and Social Security.

One of the architects of Obamacare wanted to include a QLY equation to determine if money should be spent on treatment or surgery for older people. His thinking was that they had no more value to society. So, for example, if the average lifespan for a man is 78 years, a 72 year old would have six Quality of Life Years left, so only $6000 a year (or whatever) would be covered. A 74 year old would be allocated $4000 (or whatever) a year. So, for example, if my dad broke his hip at age 72, he would have been put in a wheelchair for the next 22 years (he died at 94) because the far-left radical figured a retiree wasn’t worth much.

Actually, it's a valid consideration. 11% of health care spending is on people who have no real chance of recovery, we are merely prolonging their lives.

If your hypothetical old person sounds cruel, I give you the opposite- Nataline Sarkisyan. Cigna decided that her liver transplant was "experimental", so they refused to cover it. Her father, who had paid his premiums for years, sued them, but the courts ruled that because their contract was with his employer and not him, he had no standing to sue.

If you accept that the pot is limited for health care spending, who would have been a better investment, Nataline or your 72 year old cripple?

 

[Hector12]

You are the one who wants to kill off poor children because you didn't approve of their lifestyle choices.

Children are the responsibility of their parents, and especially their fathers. There is a difference between killing them and letting them die. Those who take care of children whose fathers do not care about them perpetuate the loss of the paternal instinct in men.

 

[Hector12]

That poor kid might grow up to be productive some day,

But that rarely happens. They haven't got the genes for it.

 

[JoeB131]

Children are the responsibility of their parents, and especially their fathers. There is a difference between killing them and letting them die. Those who take care of children whose fathers do not care about them perpetuate the loss of the paternal instinct in men.

And old people are the responsibility of their families.

We've already demonstrated that the "absent black father" meme is a lie.

In fact, they are more likely to be involved in their kids' lives than the Executive who dumped his wife and kids to run off with the secretary.

But that rarely happens. They haven't got the genes for it.

Okay, so is any university actually doing a study on that, or are you just relying on debunked studies by crazy racists who died a long time ago. (Don't worry, I'm sure they are keeping Murray's seat warm in Hell.)

 

[Hector12]

Okay, so is any university actually doing a study on that, or are you just relying on debunked studies by crazy racists who died a long time ago. (Don't worry, I'm sure they are keeping Murray's seat warm in Hell.)

Those studies were never debunked. All one needs to do to verify them is to look at the life histories of people who scored poorly on IQ tests at the age of seven.

People do not go to Hell for telling what is obviously true.

 

[JoeB131]

Those studies were never debunked.

Yes, they were. Many times.

People do not go to Hell for telling what is obviously true.

No, they go to hell for being awful people. Murray is an objectively awful person.

 

[Hector12]

Yes, they were. Many times.

How were they debunked? When were they debunked? I say after Professor Arthur Jensen: "Look at the data."

Scientific truth is not determined by decree, but by careful measurements and repeatable experiments.

Anyone with extensive experience with the three major races knows that compared with whites and Orientals, most Negroes are less intelligent, and many Negroes are more dangerous.

It is easy to verify those differences statistically. I have verified them several times on the U.S. Message Board.

Evidence of intrinsic average racial equality does not exist. It never has existed.

No one has ever developed a means of significantly and permanently increasing the intelligence of someone who scores poorly on an IQ test at the age of seven.

All of this proves the assertions of Charles Murray.

 

[Concerned American]

Joe’s thoughts about killing off “unproductive” elderly is what the Marxist/socialists people think. (His hatred of Jews, due to their above-average success levels, is just pure antisemitism.)

One of the architects of Obamacare wanted to include a QLY equation to determine if money should be spent on treatment or surgery for older people. His thinking was that they had no more value to society. So, for example, if the average lifespan for a man is 78 years, a 72 year old would have six Quality of Life Years left, so only $6000 a year (or whatever) would be covered. A 74 year old would be allocated $4000 (or whatever) a year. So, for example, if my dad broke his hip at age 72, he would have been put in a wheelchair for the next 22 years (he died at 94) because the far-left radical figured a retiree wasn’t worth much.

(Even more alarming, the system on which this was based also allocated small amounts of medical coverage to children under 15 - and the younger you are, the less coverage. So, for example, a 1-year-old was allocated very little coverage, while a 14 year old got almost the full amount that “full productive” people got. The thinking? The state has invested no money in educating a baby, so he’s worth zilch to them. But they’ve paid for almost 10 years of education for the teenager, and they will be getting their investment back in a few short years when he moves into “full productive” mode.)

Fortunately, the QYL did not make it into the final Obamacare proposal.

Democrats in Oregon have attempted legislation to create "death panels" to determine who should get health care numerous times in the past twenty years. Many have been unsuccessful. I am not sure what their current law is but the fact that they even consider it is unconscionable.

 

[Billo_Really]

I'll be clear. This isn't me saying every single white person or every single black person. This is all about generalization and the average white or black person.

There is no such thing as white privilege. It is a myth, a lie, it's fake, it does not exist.

You know what so called "white privilege" really is? It's white people raising good people, it's white people being better parents. That's all it is.

You know why white people will get the job, get the loan, get a new car, live in a nice area, have people treat them better? I'll explain.

Because on the whole white parents get their kids swimming lessons, they let them play sports, they help them with homework and make sure it's done, they take them to band practice, they make them earn an allowance, they teach them doing chores is part of helping out, dads play ball, dads teach them how to fix things, they encourage them when they do good and make them understand when they do something wrong, they teach them manners, teach them to be polite, to be honest, to work hard, how to take care of the things you own, how to control their emotions, be responsible , be smart, have a strong will and so on.

So when the white kid from that family grows up and goes to get a job he will look them in the eye, speak clearly, have a good vocabulary, stand up straight, shake their hand, and thank them for their time. When they apply for a mortgage they have good employment history they have built up over time, they look and sound professional and so on.

There is no privilege to it. It's white people raising their kids the way their parents raised them and so on. It's good training is all it is, it's good preparation for life, it's parents helping their children mature and grow.

There are millions and millions of broke, dumb, poorly mannered white people in America because they came from a family that perpetuates that so their kids continue it on. They have no white privilege at all and just as bad off as a lot of these called disadvantaged blacks.

Thomas sowell is a well mannered, intelligent, well spoken black guy with a successful son. His son was successful because his family helped him become that way.

So the idea of white privilege is really only, the privilege of being raised by a good mother and father and being taught good morals, values and standards. It has nothing to do with skin color it has to do with decent people raising their children to be decent.

I am white and I am privileged. I am privileged that I grew up with my grandmother who was loving, sweet, hard working and a smart country woman that wanted me to be a good man. And I am privileged I was practically raised by my uncle that was a old school marine recon and us marshall, he was as hard as a coffin nail, taught me more about being a man than anyone else and loved me like his son. So I am privileged but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with my skin color.

There is no white exclusivity to anything you said. This thread is just another in a long line of racist, dog whistle threads that try to dilute the BLM movement.

People of color love their kids and teach their kids just as much as white folk.

White privilege is the thinking that you are a better person just because you are white. But since this is a zone 1 forum, my Constitutional right to free speech is hindered, because what I want to say to you, contains an excessive amount of profanity!

 

[JoeB131]

How were they debunked? When were they debunked? I say after Professor Arthur Jensen: "Look at the data."

Scientific truth is not determined by decree, but by careful measurements and repeatable experiments.

But that's the point. The rest of the Academy looked at Murray's work, found it to be crap, and rejected it.

Anyone with extensive experience with the three major races knows that compared with whites and Orientals, most Negroes are less intelligent, and many Negroes are more dangerous.

Really? Let's look at the worst genocides/Mass killings/wars in history.

List of anthropogenic disasters by death toll - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh, whoops, they are all white and Asian people.

It is easy to verify those differences statistically. I have verified them several times on the U.S. Message Board.

I've verified the existence of Bigfoot!

I don't think any biology department would take our evidence seriously, but they won't think I'm an asshole, to boot.

Evidence of intrinsic average racial equality does not exist. It never has existed.

Race is a social construct.

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats in Oregon have attempted legislation to create "death panels" to determine who should get health care numerous times in the past twenty years. Many have been unsuccessful. I am not sure what their current law is but the fact that they even consider it is unconscionable.

We already have Death Panels... they work for Blue Cross and Cigna and Aetna.

every day, they decide that life-saving treatments are too expensive or not covered or are pre-existing conditions.

 

[el midgetron]

Hey, if you want to cut off food to poor kids because they are the wrong color, why not go all out and establish value on people.

That’s a very nice strawman, I do not want to cut food off to any kids. Never said anything like that.

You are the one doing this. And a good portions of the elderly who you cast away like garbage will be people who’s skin color is different than yours.

I'm sorry that I have such a cynical view of humanity, but we have half the country willing to put Trump back into office. At least the Germans were near starving to death before they thought Hitler was a good idea.

What makes you think you are on the right side of history? When have the people who cannibalize the rich and kill their elders ever been on the right side of history?

You literally say that you want to live in a world where you won’t get robbed because someone has less than you, while arguing to do that very thing to other people.

You are on the wrong side of history.

I would say, pay for as many as need it, I believe in universal medicine...

So, you questioned me about the exact dollar amount but you don’t really care about the exact dollar amount because you would pay any amount to ensure all the illegals who wanted could be surgically made into a tranny…..

Turning your back on Nana so you can make transsexuals is not a virtuous position.

 

[Concerned American]

because what I want to say to you, contains an excessive amount of profanity!

Typical of small minded people who have no logical response.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s a very ice strawman, I do not want to cut food off to any kids.

Sure you do. You and every other twat who has decided that poor people shouldn't get welfare. Once they get past being fetuses, the right wing doesn't give a shit about them.

You are the one doing this. And a good portions of the elderly who you cast away like garbage will be people who’s skin color is different than yours.

I'm 62. Technically I am one of the "elderly". But once you've decided that certain people are more deserving than others, it's really only a matter of time before you are deciding to get rid of the useless eaters, as Stalin once called them.

What makes you think you are on the right side of history? When have the people who cannibalize the rich and kill their elders ever been on the right side of history?

I wasn't aware of any country that "Cannibalized" the rich. Perhaps you can point it out to me.

The Chinese DO harvest transplant organs from criminals they execute. Which strikes me as a bit harsh.

But if we are talking about someone like the Pharma Bro, who killed hundreds of people by making their medicines unaffordable, it seems like an appropriate punishment.

You literally say that you want to live in a world where you won’t get robbed because someone has less than you, while arguing to do that very thing to other people. You are the people who didn’t stop Hitler and you didn’t stop Hitler because you believed your hatred was justified even though your treatment of other, isn’t how you would want to be treated yourself.

Uh, last time I checked, my Dad was one of the guys who stopped Hitler. At Normandy and the Bulge.

But you miss my point entirely. Once you have decided "group X" isn't worth it because they are too poor, or not white enough, or too old, and I deserve my money, dammit, you are on your own, pretty soon, someone will decide you aren't worth it.

You might want to live in such a Mad Max world, but I don't.

 

[el midgetron]

Sure you do. You and every other twat who has decided that poor people shouldn't get welfare. Once they get past being fetuses, the right wing doesn't give a shit about them.

I have never opposed welfare. You are the one dividing society up like livestock. Deciding who can still be fed, and who needs to be slaughtered. Take a look in the mirror.

I'm 62. Technically I am one of the "elderly". But once you've decided that certain people are more deserving than others, it's really only a matter of time before you are deciding to get rid of the useless eaters, as Stalin once called them.

That is exactly what you and Stalin have in common. How else did you arrive at a moral justification for not “wanting” to keep Nana around? How are you this disconnected from your own views?

I wasn't aware of any country that "Cannibalized" the rich. Perhaps you can point it out to me.

It’s a figure of speech to illustrate the consumption of ones own body. A society that systematically kills its own people (for gain) is cannibalizing itself.

Uh, last time I checked, my Dad was one of the guys who stopped Hitler. At Normandy and the Bulge.

Maybe you should check again? Earlier this week you were talking about how your ancestors were Nazis during WW2 but that was alright comparatively because the Comfederacy was worse than the Nazis.

 

[Concerned American]

You are the one dividing society up like livestock.

Democrat strategy--simple divide and conquer. Identity politics. A house divided cannot stand.

 

[el midgetron]

Democrat strategy--simple divide and conquer. Identity politics. A house divided cannot stand.

Usually, they just aren’t as candid about wanting to murder sections of society.

 

[Concerned American]

Usually, they just aren’t as candid about wanting to murder sections of society.

The globalist democrats have pulled out all stops. They believe their goal of dismantling the US is at hand.

 

[Hector12]

But that's the point. The rest of the Academy looked at Murray's work, found it to be crap, and rejected it.

Explain in your own words how they did that. I have explained in my own words why Charles Murray's assertions are true.

 

[JoeB131]

I have never opposed welfare.

If you are going to lie, there's not point talking to you.

It’s a figure of speech to illustrate the consumption of ones own body. A society that systematically kills its own people (for gain) is cannibalizing itself.

Actually, no. Transplants save lives. I've signed my organ donor card (although I doubt there are any parts they'd want at my age). We bury enough healthy organs every year to meet all the transplant needs of this country.

I also think that we should offer people money to be paid to their heirs if any organs can be used in transplants. that would increase the number of available organs.

Maybe you should check again? Earlier this week you were talking about how your ancestors were Nazis during WW2 but that was alright comparatively because the Comfederacy was worse than the Nazis.

No, I had RELATIVES who were Nazis (technically), not ancestors.

Namely my grandfather's brother had to join the NSDAP to keep his government job. The British detained him for about a week before determining he was a mitlaufer and after the war, he enjoyed a pretty good career in the West German government. His son, however, died on the Eastern Front.