White Nationalist Epithet Is A Smear

[Slade3200]

The Korean War is a specific example. The Communist North Koreans indoctrinated their people with the lies that their enemies were imperial lap dogs


They were given massive material support from the Communists Soviet Union, for Ideological reasons, in fighting against the world leader of the Capitalist system, ie the US.



The communists Chinese, did both.


Vastly different nations, with vastly different cultures, and very importantly often CONFLICTING national interests, brought together by ideology to wage war against their ideological enemy,

the capitalist West.


Would you like another one?

So I guess we could say that a leader can be both a nationalist and practice internationalism at the same time. They aren’t necessarily opposites. Would you agree?

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

 

[ptbw forever]

So I guess we could say that a leader can be both a nationalist and practice internationalism at the same time. They aren’t necessarily opposites. Would you agree?

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

That is a lie and you know that.

 

[bripat9643]

Specifically how has it been used to promote those things. What examples do you have? How is communism the same as internationalism?

The Korean War is a specific example. The Communist North Koreans indoctrinated their people with the lies that their enemies were imperial lap dogs


They were given massive material support from the Communists Soviet Union, for Ideological reasons, in fighting against the world leader of the Capitalist system, ie the US.



The communists Chinese, did both.


Vastly different nations, with vastly different cultures, and very importantly often CONFLICTING national interests, brought together by ideology to wage war against their ideological enemy,

the capitalist West.


Would you like another one?

So I guess we could say that a leader can be both a nationalist and practice internationalism at the same time. They aren’t necessarily opposites. Would you agree?

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

They've been brainwashed by Pelosi, Schumer and Company.

 

[bripat9643]

So I guess we could say that a leader can be both a nationalist and practice internationalism at the same time. They aren’t necessarily opposites. Would you agree?

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Horseshit.

For example, compassion for the muzzie savages is no reason to bring them here. We can provide them with food and housing in refugee camps near where they currently live

 

[Correll]

The Korean War is a specific example. The Communist North Koreans indoctrinated their people with the lies that their enemies were imperial lap dogs


They were given massive material support from the Communists Soviet Union, for Ideological reasons, in fighting against the world leader of the Capitalist system, ie the US.



The communists Chinese, did both.


Vastly different nations, with vastly different cultures, and very importantly often CONFLICTING national interests, brought together by ideology to wage war against their ideological enemy,

the capitalist West.


Would you like another one?

So I guess we could say that a leader can be both a nationalist and practice internationalism at the same time. They aren’t necessarily opposites. Would you agree?

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

The definition of internationalism that I found was a branch of communism

What SHOULD happen, in my Nationalist opinion, is that President Trump should demand that Mexico stops the caravan way before it gets here.


Mexico, looking to their self interest of keeping good relations with their very powerful neighbor, does so, with as much force as needed.



America is grateful for Mexico being a good neighbor and increased co-operation follows.


In this scenario, both NATIONAL leaders are rightfully NATIONALISTIC, in crafting policy that serves the interests of their nation,


WHILE co-operating with each other to shared mutual advantage.



In a sane world, that is what would happen.

Sounds reasonable. But we are in an election year so bullhorns are going off from both sides. Now we have invaders coming and we need to spend a billion dollars to send the military down for support or to shoot rock throwers. And the other side is just calling everybody racist.

1. Mexico is at least unfriendly, and really, letting this through, they are an enemy.

2. The money is well spent. The prime function of government is protection from outside enemies.

3. THe other side calls everyone racists all the time. All it means is they are still breathing.

 

[Correll]

So I guess we could say that a leader can be both a nationalist and practice internationalism at the same time. They aren’t necessarily opposites. Would you agree?

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Call it compassion or fairness, in their mind it trumps the Rights and interests of Americans.


That is the opposite of Nationalism.


And they viciously smear anyone that dares disagrees with them.

 

[boedicca]

So I guess we could say that a leader can be both a nationalist and practice internationalism at the same time. They aren’t necessarily opposites. Would you agree?

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

The definition of internationalism that I found was a branch of communism

What SHOULD happen, in my Nationalist opinion, is that President Trump should demand that Mexico stops the caravan way before it gets here.


Mexico, looking to their self interest of keeping good relations with their very powerful neighbor, does so, with as much force as needed.



America is grateful for Mexico being a good neighbor and increased co-operation follows.


In this scenario, both NATIONAL leaders are rightfully NATIONALISTIC, in crafting policy that serves the interests of their nation,


WHILE co-operating with each other to shared mutual advantage.



In a sane world, that is what would happen.

Sounds reasonable. But we are in an election year so bullhorns are going off from both sides. Now we have invaders coming and we need to spend a billion dollars to send the military down for support or to shoot rock throwers. And the other side is just calling everybody racist.

1. Mexico is at least unfriendly, and really, letting this through, they are an enemy.

2. The money is well spent. The prime function of government is protection from outside enemies.

3. THe other side calls everyone racists all the time. All it means is they are still breathing.

When the Progs spew Racism accusations, it's just an admission that they have no compelling, rational argument to make for what their FEELZ compel them to push on the rest of us.

 

[Correll]

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

The definition of internationalism that I found was a branch of communism

What SHOULD happen, in my Nationalist opinion, is that President Trump should demand that Mexico stops the caravan way before it gets here.


Mexico, looking to their self interest of keeping good relations with their very powerful neighbor, does so, with as much force as needed.



America is grateful for Mexico being a good neighbor and increased co-operation follows.


In this scenario, both NATIONAL leaders are rightfully NATIONALISTIC, in crafting policy that serves the interests of their nation,


WHILE co-operating with each other to shared mutual advantage.



In a sane world, that is what would happen.

Sounds reasonable. But we are in an election year so bullhorns are going off from both sides. Now we have invaders coming and we need to spend a billion dollars to send the military down for support or to shoot rock throwers. And the other side is just calling everybody racist.

1. Mexico is at least unfriendly, and really, letting this through, they are an enemy.

2. The money is well spent. The prime function of government is protection from outside enemies.

3. THe other side calls everyone racists all the time. All it means is they are still breathing.

When the Progs spew Racism accusations, it's just an admission that they have no compelling, rational argument to make for what their FEELZ compel them to push on the rest of us.

I point that out every now and then, but I really need to do it more.

 

[Slade3200]

The Korean War is a specific example. The Communist North Koreans indoctrinated their people with the lies that their enemies were imperial lap dogs


They were given massive material support from the Communists Soviet Union, for Ideological reasons, in fighting against the world leader of the Capitalist system, ie the US.



The communists Chinese, did both.


Vastly different nations, with vastly different cultures, and very importantly often CONFLICTING national interests, brought together by ideology to wage war against their ideological enemy,

the capitalist West.


Would you like another one?

So I guess we could say that a leader can be both a nationalist and practice internationalism at the same time. They aren’t necessarily opposites. Would you agree?

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

They've been brainwashed by Pelosi, Schumer and Company.

Yeah right. Keep running with that one

 

[Slade3200]

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Horseshit.

For example, compassion for the muzzie savages is no reason to bring them here. We can provide them with food and housing in refugee camps near where they currently live

Wow, I actually agree with you. In fact a big part of the Dems immigration plan is aid to thebproblem areas to try and plug the leak at it’s source. If the Partisans weren’t such babies they could probably find agreement in that area. Not many liberals want open borders despite your propaganda

 

[boedicca]

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Horseshit.

For example, compassion for the muzzie savages is no reason to bring them here. We can provide them with food and housing in refugee camps near where they currently live

Wow, I actually agree with you. In fact a big part of the Dems immigration plan is aid to thebproblem areas to try and plug the leak at it’s source. If the Partisans weren’t such babies they could probably find agreement in that area. Not many liberals want open borders despite your propaganda

Then most liberals are nuts for supporting their leadership that do want open borders.

 

[Slade3200]

Depends what you mean by internationalism.


Nationalism is putting the interests of you nation first. If you define Internationalism as NOT doing that, then indeed they are opposites.


Trump wants to limit immigration to benefit citizens of the American Nation.


American citizens by definition have a right to expect that national policy will be crafted for the benefit of national citizens.


Anyone that thinks the needs of the caravan for say, some reason off "fairness" or "charity" is more important that the self interests of Americans, or the Right of Americans to define America,


is being an Internationalist and opposing the very bedrock of Nationalism.

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Call it compassion or fairness, in their mind it trumps the Rights and interests of Americans.


That is the opposite of Nationalism.


And they viciously smear anyone that dares disagrees with them.

I just don’t agree with you premise. It can snowball into so many different areas to show how wrong it is. Why do we let special ed kids in school when they bring down the rest of the kids and soak up much of the resources? Why do we take care of the elderly and disabled andnpoor who can’t afford to take care of themselves? I can go on and on. But we do these things because American values aren’t those of selfishness and greed for many... they represent care and compassion and charity and caring for our neighbors. Many see that as a core principle and not applying solely to Americans

 

[Slade3200]

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Horseshit.

For example, compassion for the muzzie savages is no reason to bring them here. We can provide them with food and housing in refugee camps near where they currently live

Wow, I actually agree with you. In fact a big part of the Dems immigration plan is aid to thebproblem areas to try and plug the leak at it’s source. If the Partisans weren’t such babies they could probably find agreement in that area. Not many liberals want open borders despite your propaganda

Then most liberals are nuts for supporting their leadership that do want open borders.

I agree but unfortunately with our stupid two party system we are left with two choices most of the time and not many are single issue voters

 

[boedicca]

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Horseshit.

For example, compassion for the muzzie savages is no reason to bring them here. We can provide them with food and housing in refugee camps near where they currently live

Wow, I actually agree with you. In fact a big part of the Dems immigration plan is aid to thebproblem areas to try and plug the leak at it’s source. If the Partisans weren’t such babies they could probably find agreement in that area. Not many liberals want open borders despite your propaganda

Then most liberals are nuts for supporting their leadership that do want open borders.

I agree but unfortunately with our stupid two party system we are left with two choices most of the time and not many are single issue voters

Kumbaya. Although there are quite a few single issue voters on both sides (Abortion for example is a third rail both pro and against).

 

[Slade3200]

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Horseshit.

For example, compassion for the muzzie savages is no reason to bring them here. We can provide them with food and housing in refugee camps near where they currently live

Wow, I actually agree with you. In fact a big part of the Dems immigration plan is aid to thebproblem areas to try and plug the leak at it’s source. If the Partisans weren’t such babies they could probably find agreement in that area. Not many liberals want open borders despite your propaganda

Then most liberals are nuts for supporting their leadership that do want open borders.

I agree but unfortunately with our stupid two party system we are left with two choices most of the time and not many are single issue voters

Kumbaya. Although there are quite a few single issue voters on both sides (Abortion for example is a third rail both pro and against).

Yeah that’s one of the funny ones... you’d think the progressive party that promotes more government control would be the party promoting government regulation of abortions and the Republican Party of limited government and personal freedom would be the party pushing a women’s freedom of choice. But I guess each party has those elements that go against their core ideology.

 

[boedicca]

Horseshit.

For example, compassion for the muzzie savages is no reason to bring them here. We can provide them with food and housing in refugee camps near where they currently live

Wow, I actually agree with you. In fact a big part of the Dems immigration plan is aid to thebproblem areas to try and plug the leak at it’s source. If the Partisans weren’t such babies they could probably find agreement in that area. Not many liberals want open borders despite your propaganda

Then most liberals are nuts for supporting their leadership that do want open borders.

I agree but unfortunately with our stupid two party system we are left with two choices most of the time and not many are single issue voters

Kumbaya. Although there are quite a few single issue voters on both sides (Abortion for example is a third rail both pro and against).

Yeah that’s one of the funny ones... you’d think the progressive party that promotes more government control would be the party promoting government regulation of abortions and the Republican Party of limited government and personal freedom would be the party pushing a women’s freedom of choice. But I guess each party has those elements that go against their core ideology.

The establishment parties are the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party. The GOP is just the LITE version of the Dems in most aspect. Both support Big Government.

The real contest in the U.S is between Those Who Want To Control Everyone and Those Who Want To Be Left Alone.

 

[Slade3200]

Wow, I actually agree with you. In fact a big part of the Dems immigration plan is aid to thebproblem areas to try and plug the leak at it’s source. If the Partisans weren’t such babies they could probably find agreement in that area. Not many liberals want open borders despite your propaganda

Then most liberals are nuts for supporting their leadership that do want open borders.

I agree but unfortunately with our stupid two party system we are left with two choices most of the time and not many are single issue voters

Kumbaya. Although there are quite a few single issue voters on both sides (Abortion for example is a third rail both pro and against).

Yeah that’s one of the funny ones... you’d think the progressive party that promotes more government control would be the party promoting government regulation of abortions and the Republican Party of limited government and personal freedom would be the party pushing a women’s freedom of choice. But I guess each party has those elements that go against their core ideology.

The establishment parties are the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party. The GOP is just the LITE version of the Dems in most aspect. Both support Big Government.

The real contest in the U.S is between Those Who Want To Control Everyone and Those Who Want To Be Left Alone.

As hard as the partisans like to paint it there is never going to be a an all or nothing situation. Our system will always be a balance between free market capitalism, regulation and government programs. If we can stop playing the demonization games and work together to best operate and invest then we might actually get things back on track. There are just way too many lies being spewed by both sides

 

[deanrd]

It’s not a smear, the president says he’s one and he’s a role model for the entire Republican Party.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump is appealing to the very rational human self-interest of putting the welfare of oneself and ones' family, community and country ahead of that of foreign nations.

The Progs do the reverse. They insist that we harm ourselves in order to support total strangers that hate us.

Isn’t it crazy that millions of Americans want to harm themselves and their loved ones so they can support criminals? That must blow your mind

The progressives in question, put their idea of "fairness" ahead of the rights of American citizens.



They consider NATIONALISM to be a bad thing, and FAIRNESS, ie treating the "refugess" who have more need, generously at the expense of Americans who have so much more and are just being greedy in their desire to keep it.


They see NATIONALISM as the OPPOSITE of INTERNATIONALISM, or GLOBALISM,


and side with outsiders against their fellow Americans.

That’s a distorted narrative but I think you know that. They don’t side with outsiders over Americans, they side with plenty of million of other Americans who believe in helping people in need no matter where they are from. It’s a simple concept called compassion

Horseshit.

For example, compassion for the muzzie savages is no reason to bring them here. We can provide them with food and housing in refugee camps near where they currently live

Wow, I actually agree with you. In fact a big part of the Dems immigration plan is aid to thebproblem areas to try and plug the leak at it’s source. If the Partisans weren’t such babies they could probably find agreement in that area. Not many liberals want open borders despite your propaganda

Bullshit. They want to import more Democrats. There is absolutely no reason we need to import these "refugees" to America. None.

 

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Then most liberals are nuts for supporting their leadership that do want open borders.

I agree but unfortunately with our stupid two party system we are left with two choices most of the time and not many are single issue voters

Kumbaya. Although there are quite a few single issue voters on both sides (Abortion for example is a third rail both pro and against).

Yeah that’s one of the funny ones... you’d think the progressive party that promotes more government control would be the party promoting government regulation of abortions and the Republican Party of limited government and personal freedom would be the party pushing a women’s freedom of choice. But I guess each party has those elements that go against their core ideology.

The establishment parties are the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party. The GOP is just the LITE version of the Dems in most aspect. Both support Big Government.

The real contest in the U.S is between Those Who Want To Control Everyone and Those Who Want To Be Left Alone.

As hard as the partisans like to paint it there is never going to be a an all or nothing situation. Our system will always be a balance between free market capitalism, regulation and government programs. If we can stop playing the demonization games and work together to best operate and invest then we might actually get things back on track. There are just way too many lies being spewed by both sides

That's total ******* bullshit because until FDR there was absolutely zero regulation on the federal level. The Founding Fathers also never envisioned government programs that wrote checks to people for nothing in return. Wefare isn't an "investment" anymore than lighting money on fire is an investment.