White House Unreasonable On Budget Deal

[Avatar4321]

So Democrats want to push an issue completely unrelated to the budget and are planning to block a budget resolution that has contains absolutely nothing they oppose in it. And they think hurting voting citizens for a nonvoting special interest is going to play well in an election year?

And its the president being unreasonable?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Raj Shah when appearing on the CNN Chris Cuomo show last night really gave the impression that the White House is being completely unreasonable about the Budget negotiations. Everyone knows that the Democrats have conditioned their necessary support for such a bill on getting a DACA deal. Mr. Shah statements on this issue indicated the President needs to have a long list of issues satisfactorily addressed for him to sign the budget bill. Mr. Shah's indications are the bill has to have things like an increase in the number of border patrol agents, a new removal system that expedites the deportation of foreigners illegally found to be in the U.S. besides the wall, stopping chain migration and cessation of the diversity lottery program. This is completely unreasonable, it is too extensive of a bill. The Democrats are only looking for legalization and a path to citizenship for childhood arrivals and the White house in return wants an agreement to a long wish list of major concessions for Democrats. What the White House is talking about is a comprehensive immigration reform bill and then from the Democrat standpoint you're talking about legalization for the eleven million illegal immigrants in America many that have been here for decades. The White House is guaranteeing a government shut down with talk like this!



Raj on this program concisely gave President Trump's position on the legal immigration issue when he said the President wants only a merit based system a system that only takes the best and the brightest. This is not virtuous. This is not what great Presidents, great citizens and great Republicans like President Ronald Reagan would advocate. Most American citizens ancestors who emigrated to America only offered manual labor but they were good people who made citizens with good character and help make America an example for the world. Many countries throughout the world because of their economic predicament don't have a very good education system and because of those facts their citizens who want to emigrate to America don't have skills but those people often have more valuable assets the character to work hard and the courage to build businesses and they bring those assets to America and end up making a significant positive impact in America. President Trump's course wants to ignore this reality to America's great detriment from both a country character standpoint and a country practical benefit standpoint, I'd venture to guess the vast majority of the American people don't want this course because they see this loss and hope it is not put into law!

So what you're saying is the commiecrats want to hold a whole nation of 320,000,000 citizens hostage to benefit 800,000 illegals, right? There's no reason DACA has to be included in the spending bill, they have till March to address it.


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It's not DACA that Trump finds bad. It's the fact his Shopping List is not in the bill. And most of his shopping list is just terrible. It's not the Dems that are holding the nation hostage and it isn't even the Reps that are. It's Trump. What the hell else did you expect.

So what your saying is he wants to work on his agenda. The one he was elected to do.

Yeah totally unreasonable. Doesn't he know the losers get their agenda

Unless of course the losers are republican. Then so long suckers

The Public is just beginning to wake up and get over the Fear Campaign that was run on them. Now, the general public is beginning to see that that is all that Trump is. Take the away from him and you have nothing left but a Multi Bankrupted born with a silver spoon in his mouth person. Take a good look, if we blindly follow him, the US will be bankrupt in the very near future.

It's not about a person or a party being the winner. It's about winning for America. And that was what he promised. He can't keep his promises because he is too eat up with his bigotry.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So Democrats want to push an issue completely unrelated to the budget and are planning to block a budget resolution that has contains absolutely nothing they oppose in it. And they think hurting voting citizens for a nonvoting special interest is going to play well in an election year?

And its the president being unreasonable?

You have no idea how a bill is made. All bills have riders on them. It's the deals that have to be made to get them passed in the House and the Senate. I have seen really good bills go down the tubes because the riders couldn't be agreed upon. A Rider has nothing to do with the main body. It's something added in sort of like a bridge to nowhere.

 

[Avatar4321]

if You want to hurt Americans for illegals that’s your prerogative but at least have the decency to own the choice and face the consequences in November

 

[Avatar4321]

Raj Shah when appearing on the CNN Chris Cuomo show last night really gave the impression that the White House is being completely unreasonable about the Budget negotiations. Everyone knows that the Democrats have conditioned their necessary support for such a bill on getting a DACA deal. Mr. Shah statements on this issue indicated the President needs to have a long list of issues satisfactorily addressed for him to sign the budget bill. Mr. Shah's indications are the bill has to have things like an increase in the number of border patrol agents, a new removal system that expedites the deportation of foreigners illegally found to be in the U.S. besides the wall, stopping chain migration and cessation of the diversity lottery program. This is completely unreasonable, it is too extensive of a bill. The Democrats are only looking for legalization and a path to citizenship for childhood arrivals and the White house in return wants an agreement to a long wish list of major concessions for Democrats. What the White House is talking about is a comprehensive immigration reform bill and then from the Democrat standpoint you're talking about legalization for the eleven million illegal immigrants in America many that have been here for decades. The White House is guaranteeing a government shut down with talk like this!



Raj on this program concisely gave President Trump's position on the legal immigration issue when he said the President wants only a merit based system a system that only takes the best and the brightest. This is not virtuous. This is not what great Presidents, great citizens and great Republicans like President Ronald Reagan would advocate. Most American citizens ancestors who emigrated to America only offered manual labor but they were good people who made citizens with good character and help make America an example for the world. Many countries throughout the world because of their economic predicament don't have a very good education system and because of those facts their citizens who want to emigrate to America don't have skills but those people often have more valuable assets the character to work hard and the courage to build businesses and they bring those assets to America and end up making a significant positive impact in America. President Trump's course wants to ignore this reality to America's great detriment from both a country character standpoint and a country practical benefit standpoint, I'd venture to guess the vast majority of the American people don't want this course because they see this loss and hope it is not put into law!

So what you're saying is the commiecrats want to hold a whole nation of 320,000,000 citizens hostage to benefit 800,000 illegals, right? There's no reason DACA has to be included in the spending bill, they have till March to address it.


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It's not DACA that Trump finds bad. It's the fact his Shopping List is not in the bill. And most of his shopping list is just terrible. It's not the Dems that are holding the nation hostage and it isn't even the Reps that are. It's Trump. What the hell else did you expect.

So what your saying is he wants to work on his agenda. The one he was elected to do.

Yeah totally unreasonable. Doesn't he know the losers get their agenda

Unless of course the losers are republican. Then so long suckers

The Public is just beginning to wake up and get over the Fear Campaign that was run on them. Now, the general public is beginning to see that that is all that Trump is. Take the away from him and you have nothing left but a Multi Bankrupted born with a silver spoon in his mouth person. Take a good look, if we blindly follow him, the US will be bankrupt in the very near future.

It's not about a person or a party being the winner. It's about winning for America. And that was what he promised. He can't keep his promises because he is too eat up with his bigotry.

How is hurting Americans for illegals a win for America?

 

[OKTexas]

Raj Shah when appearing on the CNN Chris Cuomo show last night really gave the impression that the White House is being completely unreasonable about the Budget negotiations. Everyone knows that the Democrats have conditioned their necessary support for such a bill on getting a DACA deal. Mr. Shah statements on this issue indicated the President needs to have a long list of issues satisfactorily addressed for him to sign the budget bill. Mr. Shah's indications are the bill has to have things like an increase in the number of border patrol agents, a new removal system that expedites the deportation of foreigners illegally found to be in the U.S. besides the wall, stopping chain migration and cessation of the diversity lottery program. This is completely unreasonable, it is too extensive of a bill. The Democrats are only looking for legalization and a path to citizenship for childhood arrivals and the White house in return wants an agreement to a long wish list of major concessions for Democrats. What the White House is talking about is a comprehensive immigration reform bill and then from the Democrat standpoint you're talking about legalization for the eleven million illegal immigrants in America many that have been here for decades. The White House is guaranteeing a government shut down with talk like this!



Raj on this program concisely gave President Trump's position on the legal immigration issue when he said the President wants only a merit based system a system that only takes the best and the brightest. This is not virtuous. This is not what great Presidents, great citizens and great Republicans like President Ronald Reagan would advocate. Most American citizens ancestors who emigrated to America only offered manual labor but they were good people who made citizens with good character and help make America an example for the world. Many countries throughout the world because of their economic predicament don't have a very good education system and because of those facts their citizens who want to emigrate to America don't have skills but those people often have more valuable assets the character to work hard and the courage to build businesses and they bring those assets to America and end up making a significant positive impact in America. President Trump's course wants to ignore this reality to America's great detriment from both a country character standpoint and a country practical benefit standpoint, I'd venture to guess the vast majority of the American people don't want this course because they see this loss and hope it is not put into law!

So what you're saying is the commiecrats want to hold a whole nation of 320,000,000 citizens hostage to benefit 800,000 illegals, right? There's no reason DACA has to be included in the spending bill, they have till March to address it.


.

It's not DACA that Trump finds bad. It's the fact his Shopping List is not in the bill. And most of his shopping list is just terrible. It's not the Dems that are holding the nation hostage and it isn't even the Reps that are. It's Trump. What the hell else did you expect.

So what your saying is he wants to work on his agenda. The one he was elected to do.

Yeah totally unreasonable. Doesn't he know the losers get their agenda

Unless of course the losers are republican. Then so long suckers

The Public is just beginning to wake up and get over the Fear Campaign that was run on them. Now, the general public is beginning to see that that is all that Trump is. Take the away from him and you have nothing left but a Multi Bankrupted born with a silver spoon in his mouth person. Take a good look, if we blindly follow him, the US will be bankrupt in the very near future.

It's not about a person or a party being the winner. It's about winning for America. And that was what he promised. He can't keep his promises because he is too eat up with his bigotry.

Why do you hate poor children? The bill passed in the house contains a 6 year extension for CHIP, States are already running out of money for this program.


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[jc456]

Raj Shah when appearing on the CNN Chris Cuomo show last night really gave the impression that the White House is being completely unreasonable about the Budget negotiations. Everyone knows that the Democrats have conditioned their necessary support for such a bill on getting a DACA deal. Mr. Shah statements on this issue indicated the President needs to have a long list of issues satisfactorily addressed for him to sign the budget bill. Mr. Shah's indications are the bill has to have things like an increase in the number of border patrol agents, a new removal system that expedites the deportation of foreigners illegally found to be in the U.S. besides the wall, stopping chain migration and cessation of the diversity lottery program. This is completely unreasonable, it is too extensive of a bill. The Democrats are only looking for legalization and a path to citizenship for childhood arrivals and the White house in return wants an agreement to a long wish list of major concessions for Democrats. What the White House is talking about is a comprehensive immigration reform bill and then from the Democrat standpoint you're talking about legalization for the eleven million illegal immigrants in America many that have been here for decades. The White House is guaranteeing a government shut down with talk like this!



Raj on this program concisely gave President Trump's position on the legal immigration issue when he said the President wants only a merit based system a system that only takes the best and the brightest. This is not virtuous. This is not what great Presidents, great citizens and great Republicans like President Ronald Reagan would advocate. Most American citizens ancestors who emigrated to America only offered manual labor but they were good people who made citizens with good character and help make America an example for the world. Many countries throughout the world because of their economic predicament don't have a very good education system and because of those facts their citizens who want to emigrate to America don't have skills but those people often have more valuable assets the character to work hard and the courage to build businesses and they bring those assets to America and end up making a significant positive impact in America. President Trump's course wants to ignore this reality to America's great detriment from both a country character standpoint and a country practical benefit standpoint, I'd venture to guess the vast majority of the American people don't want this course because they see this loss and hope it is not put into law!

So what you're saying is the commiecrats want to hold a whole nation of 320,000,000 citizens hostage to benefit 800,000 illegals, right? There's no reason DACA has to be included in the spending bill, they have till March to address it.


.

It's not DACA that Trump finds bad. It's the fact his Shopping List is not in the bill. And most of his shopping list is just terrible. It's not the Dems that are holding the nation hostage and it isn't even the Reps that are. It's Trump. What the hell else did you expect.

He was elected with that list. None of the democrats were elected for DACA. It’s called the United States not Mehico

 

[Spare_change]

Raj Shah when appearing on the CNN Chris Cuomo show last night really gave the impression that the White House is being completely unreasonable about the Budget negotiations. Everyone knows that the Democrats have conditioned their necessary support for such a bill on getting a DACA deal. Mr. Shah statements on this issue indicated the President needs to have a long list of issues satisfactorily addressed for him to sign the budget bill. Mr. Shah's indications are the bill has to have things like an increase in the number of border patrol agents, a new removal system that expedites the deportation of foreigners illegally found to be in the U.S. besides the wall, stopping chain migration and cessation of the diversity lottery program. This is completely unreasonable, it is too extensive of a bill. The Democrats are only looking for legalization and a path to citizenship for childhood arrivals and the White house in return wants an agreement to a long wish list of major concessions for Democrats. What the White House is talking about is a comprehensive immigration reform bill and then from the Democrat standpoint you're talking about legalization for the eleven million illegal immigrants in America many that have been here for decades. The White House is guaranteeing a government shut down with talk like this!



Raj on this program concisely gave President Trump's position on the legal immigration issue when he said the President wants only a merit based system a system that only takes the best and the brightest. This is not virtuous. This is not what great Presidents, great citizens and great Republicans like President Ronald Reagan would advocate. Most American citizens ancestors who emigrated to America only offered manual labor but they were good people who made citizens with good character and help make America an example for the world. Many countries throughout the world because of their economic predicament don't have a very good education system and because of those facts their citizens who want to emigrate to America don't have skills but those people often have more valuable assets the character to work hard and the courage to build businesses and they bring those assets to America and end up making a significant positive impact in America. President Trump's course wants to ignore this reality to America's great detriment from both a country character standpoint and a country practical benefit standpoint, I'd venture to guess the vast majority of the American people don't want this course because they see this loss and hope it is not put into law!

This is what happens when you don't understand reality .....

Trump did NOT put conditions on the budget deal. In fact, he has been very consistent about saying that if you bring him a clean budget deal, he will sign it.

The Democrats, on the other hand, want to add DACA to the budget deal.

Trump then said, well, if you want DACA in the bill, then you also need to address border security, chain migration, and the visa lottery.

If Dems leave DACA out of the budget bill, it gets signed. If they want it in there, they have to be prepared to toss in the stuff Trump wants.

Frankly, I strongly suspect Trump is hoping that the Dems shut down the government - the political fallout would be catastrophic.

I did a search. Outside of DACA, you will find the Dems are quite agreeable until you pile on the shopping list that trump demands to be added. There is so much information out there that I don't even know where to start. Even the Reps are having trouble with much of Trumps demands.

Trump: in order to include DACA

1. The Wall necessary
2. Change the Visas to Merit only
3. I won't go any further. It's quite a list that will NEVER be passed in Congress.

You find it unreasonable - I find it practical. You say tomato, I say tomahto.

Dems are trying to ram DACA thru by attaching it to the CR - for no good reason other than a political "win".

Let it close. In fact, close it for a month.

 

[jc456]

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Raj Shah when appearing on the CNN Chris Cuomo show last night really gave the impression that the White House is being completely unreasonable about the Budget negotiations. Everyone knows that the Democrats have conditioned their necessary support for such a bill on getting a DACA deal. Mr. Shah statements on this issue indicated the President needs to have a long list of issues satisfactorily addressed for him to sign the budget bill. Mr. Shah's indications are the bill has to have things like an increase in the number of border patrol agents, a new removal system that expedites the deportation of foreigners illegally found to be in the U.S. besides the wall, stopping chain migration and cessation of the diversity lottery program. This is completely unreasonable, it is too extensive of a bill. The Democrats are only looking for legalization and a path to citizenship for childhood arrivals and the White house in return wants an agreement to a long wish list of major concessions for Democrats. What the White House is talking about is a comprehensive immigration reform bill and then from the Democrat standpoint you're talking about legalization for the eleven million illegal immigrants in America many that have been here for decades. The White House is guaranteeing a government shut down with talk like this!



Raj on this program concisely gave President Trump's position on the legal immigration issue when he said the President wants only a merit based system a system that only takes the best and the brightest. This is not virtuous. This is not what great Presidents, great citizens and great Republicans like President Ronald Reagan would advocate. Most American citizens ancestors who emigrated to America only offered manual labor but they were good people who made citizens with good character and help make America an example for the world. Many countries throughout the world because of their economic predicament don't have a very good education system and because of those facts their citizens who want to emigrate to America don't have skills but those people often have more valuable assets the character to work hard and the courage to build businesses and they bring those assets to America and end up making a significant positive impact in America. President Trump's course wants to ignore this reality to America's great detriment from both a country character standpoint and a country practical benefit standpoint, I'd venture to guess the vast majority of the American people don't want this course because they see this loss and hope it is not put into law!

This is what happens when you don't understand reality .....

Trump did NOT put conditions on the budget deal. In fact, he has been very consistent about saying that if you bring him a clean budget deal, he will sign it.

The Democrats, on the other hand, want to add DACA to the budget deal.

Trump then said, well, if you want DACA in the bill, then you also need to address border security, chain migration, and the visa lottery.

If Dems leave DACA out of the budget bill, it gets signed. If they want it in there, they have to be prepared to toss in the stuff Trump wants.

Frankly, I strongly suspect Trump is hoping that the Dems shut down the government - the political fallout would be catastrophic.

I did a search. Outside of DACA, you will find the Dems are quite agreeable until you pile on the shopping list that trump demands to be added. There is so much information out there that I don't even know where to start. Even the Reps are having trouble with much of Trumps demands.

Trump: in order to include DACA

1. The Wall necessary
2. Change the Visas to Merit only
3. I won't go any further. It's quite a list that will NEVER be passed in Congress.

You find it unreasonable - I find it practical. You say tomato, I say tomahto.

Dems are trying to ram DACA thru by attaching it to the CR - for no good reason other than a political "win".

Let it close. In fact, close it for a month.

You’re not allowed to have a thought different than him.

 

[Spare_change]

Y

Raj Shah when appearing on the CNN Chris Cuomo show last night really gave the impression that the White House is being completely unreasonable about the Budget negotiations. Everyone knows that the Democrats have conditioned their necessary support for such a bill on getting a DACA deal. Mr. Shah statements on this issue indicated the President needs to have a long list of issues satisfactorily addressed for him to sign the budget bill. Mr. Shah's indications are the bill has to have things like an increase in the number of border patrol agents, a new removal system that expedites the deportation of foreigners illegally found to be in the U.S. besides the wall, stopping chain migration and cessation of the diversity lottery program. This is completely unreasonable, it is too extensive of a bill. The Democrats are only looking for legalization and a path to citizenship for childhood arrivals and the White house in return wants an agreement to a long wish list of major concessions for Democrats. What the White House is talking about is a comprehensive immigration reform bill and then from the Democrat standpoint you're talking about legalization for the eleven million illegal immigrants in America many that have been here for decades. The White House is guaranteeing a government shut down with talk like this!



Raj on this program concisely gave President Trump's position on the legal immigration issue when he said the President wants only a merit based system a system that only takes the best and the brightest. This is not virtuous. This is not what great Presidents, great citizens and great Republicans like President Ronald Reagan would advocate. Most American citizens ancestors who emigrated to America only offered manual labor but they were good people who made citizens with good character and help make America an example for the world. Many countries throughout the world because of their economic predicament don't have a very good education system and because of those facts their citizens who want to emigrate to America don't have skills but those people often have more valuable assets the character to work hard and the courage to build businesses and they bring those assets to America and end up making a significant positive impact in America. President Trump's course wants to ignore this reality to America's great detriment from both a country character standpoint and a country practical benefit standpoint, I'd venture to guess the vast majority of the American people don't want this course because they see this loss and hope it is not put into law!

This is what happens when you don't understand reality .....

Trump did NOT put conditions on the budget deal. In fact, he has been very consistent about saying that if you bring him a clean budget deal, he will sign it.

The Democrats, on the other hand, want to add DACA to the budget deal.

Trump then said, well, if you want DACA in the bill, then you also need to address border security, chain migration, and the visa lottery.

If Dems leave DACA out of the budget bill, it gets signed. If they want it in there, they have to be prepared to toss in the stuff Trump wants.

Frankly, I strongly suspect Trump is hoping that the Dems shut down the government - the political fallout would be catastrophic.

I did a search. Outside of DACA, you will find the Dems are quite agreeable until you pile on the shopping list that trump demands to be added. There is so much information out there that I don't even know where to start. Even the Reps are having trouble with much of Trumps demands.

Trump: in order to include DACA

1. The Wall necessary
2. Change the Visas to Merit only
3. I won't go any further. It's quite a list that will NEVER be passed in Congress.

You find it unreasonable - I find it practical. You say tomato, I say tomahto.

Dems are trying to ram DACA thru by attaching it to the CR - for no good reason other than a political "win".

Let it close. In fact, close it for a month.

You’re not allowed to have a thought different than him.

I had a thought ---- that automatically made me different than him.

 

[hadit]

Raj Shah when appearing on the CNN Chris Cuomo show last night really gave the impression that the White House is being completely unreasonable about the Budget negotiations. Everyone knows that the Democrats have conditioned their necessary support for such a bill on getting a DACA deal. Mr. Shah statements on this issue indicated the President needs to have a long list of issues satisfactorily addressed for him to sign the budget bill. Mr. Shah's indications are the bill has to have things like an increase in the number of border patrol agents, a new removal system that expedites the deportation of foreigners illegally found to be in the U.S. besides the wall, stopping chain migration and cessation of the diversity lottery program. This is completely unreasonable, it is too extensive of a bill. The Democrats are only looking for legalization and a path to citizenship for childhood arrivals and the White house in return wants an agreement to a long wish list of major concessions for Democrats. What the White House is talking about is a comprehensive immigration reform bill and then from the Democrat standpoint you're talking about legalization for the eleven million illegal immigrants in America many that have been here for decades. The White House is guaranteeing a government shut down with talk like this!



Raj on this program concisely gave President Trump's position on the legal immigration issue when he said the President wants only a merit based system a system that only takes the best and the brightest. This is not virtuous. This is not what great Presidents, great citizens and great Republicans like President Ronald Reagan would advocate. Most American citizens ancestors who emigrated to America only offered manual labor but they were good people who made citizens with good character and help make America an example for the world. Many countries throughout the world because of their economic predicament don't have a very good education system and because of those facts their citizens who want to emigrate to America don't have skills but those people often have more valuable assets the character to work hard and the courage to build businesses and they bring those assets to America and end up making a significant positive impact in America. President Trump's course wants to ignore this reality to America's great detriment from both a country character standpoint and a country practical benefit standpoint, I'd venture to guess the vast majority of the American people don't want this course because they see this loss and hope it is not put into law!

This is what happens when you don't understand reality .....

Trump did NOT put conditions on the budget deal. In fact, he has been very consistent about saying that if you bring him a clean budget deal, he will sign it.

The Democrats, on the other hand, want to add DACA to the budget deal.

Trump then said, well, if you want DACA in the bill, then you also need to address border security, chain migration, and the visa lottery.

If Dems leave DACA out of the budget bill, it gets signed. If they want it in there, they have to be prepared to toss in the stuff Trump wants.

Frankly, I strongly suspect Trump is hoping that the Dems shut down the government - the political fallout would be catastrophic.

I did a search. Outside of DACA, you will find the Dems are quite agreeable until you pile on the shopping list that trump demands to be added. There is so much information out there that I don't even know where to start. Even the Reps are having trouble with much of Trumps demands.

Trump: in order to include DACA

1. The Wall necessary
2. Change the Visas to Merit only
3. I won't go any further. It's quite a list that will NEVER be passed in Congress.

You find it unreasonable - I find it practical. You say tomato, I say tomahto.

Dems are trying to ram DACA thru by attaching it to the CR - for no good reason other than a political "win".

Let it close. In fact, close it for a month.

It shall forever be known as the Schumer Shutdown.

 

[JQPublic1]

How do you know when a regressive is losing an argument?

Answer: When they shift the conversation to the absurd.


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Nothing is off the table where Trump is concerned. He would orchestrate a reason to declare Martial Law in a heartbeat if it meant saving his ass from Mueller's investigation. Once that occurs he could then befree to do anything in the interest of national security to include borrow money. Thats the minor secondary point I was making in a broader discussion.... if you attach importance to that as central to the main argument be my guest.... It doesn't mean a thing.

So you try to justify the absurd with more absurdity? LMAO


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I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


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I agree. However a precedent has been set
when Lincoln declared Martial Law on the eve of the Civil War. His justification was obvious.
Lincoln drew his

How do you know when a regressive is losing an argument?

Answer: When they shift the conversation to the absurd.


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Nothing is off the table where Trump is concerned. He would orchestrate a reason to declare Martial Law in a heartbeat if it meant saving his ass from Mueller's investigation. Once that occurs he could then befree to do anything in the interest of national security to include borrow money. Thats the minor secondary point I was making in a broader discussion.... if you attach importance to that as central to the main argument be my guest.... It doesn't mean a thing.

So you try to justify the absurd with more absurdity? LMAO


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I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


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Agreed. However there is a precedent. Lincoln used Article 1 sections 8 and 9 to suspend civil governance and habeus corpus respectively on the eve of the Civil War.

 

[OKTexas]

Nothing is off the table where Trump is concerned. He would orchestrate a reason to declare Martial Law in a heartbeat if it meant saving his ass from Mueller's investigation. Once that occurs he could then befree to do anything in the interest of national security to include borrow money. Thats the minor secondary point I was making in a broader discussion.... if you attach importance to that as central to the main argument be my guest.... It doesn't mean a thing.

So you try to justify the absurd with more absurdity? LMAO


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I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

I agree. However a precedent has been set
when Lincoln declared Martial Law on the eve of the Civil War. His justification was obvious.
Lincoln drew his

Nothing is off the table where Trump is concerned. He would orchestrate a reason to declare Martial Law in a heartbeat if it meant saving his ass from Mueller's investigation. Once that occurs he could then befree to do anything in the interest of national security to include borrow money. Thats the minor secondary point I was making in a broader discussion.... if you attach importance to that as central to the main argument be my guest.... It doesn't mean a thing.

So you try to justify the absurd with more absurdity? LMAO


.

I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

Agreed. However there is a precedent. Lincoln used Article 1 sections 8 and 9 to suspend civil governance and habeus corpus respectively on the eve of the Civil War.

Constitutionally habeus corpus is the only right that may be suspended in an insurrection. This ain't the 1860s, the people won't put up with that kind of BS now, I don't think SCOTUS would either. And there's no insurrection.


.

 

[JQPublic1]

If Martial Law is ever declared the president can do just about any damn thing he pleases. He just has to have a very good reason for implementing ML.

How do you know when a regressive is losing an argument?

Answer: When they shift the conversation to the absurd.


.

Nothing is off the table where Trump is concerned. He would orchestrate a reason to declare Martial Law in a heartbeat if it meant saving his ass from Mueller's investigation. Once that occurs he could then befree to do anything in the interest of national security to include borrow money. Thats the minor secondary point I was making in a broader discussion.... if you attach importance to that as central to the main argument be my guest.... It doesn't mean a thing.

So you try to justify the absurd with more absurdity? LMAO


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Wha is absurd about this earlier response from me... this was the issue at hand before you deflected on a side note.

"The house holds the purse strings...They decide what comes in and out of the treasury. All the President can do is borrow from China or some other entity if the House refuses to fund anything ...but I believe there is a congressional precedent that established minimal payments to keep essential services going."

Last time dipshit, the president decides what is essential in a shutdown, the law gives him the authority to spend the money necessary to keep those departments going. If he chose he could declare everything is essential and keep everyone working. Congress would pay laid off employees anyways, so what's the difference?


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Last time? Hell, you're essentially repeating what I've already said.

 

[JQPublic1]

So you try to justify the absurd with more absurdity? LMAO


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I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


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I agree. However a precedent has been set
when Lincoln declared Martial Law on the eve of the Civil War. His justification was obvious.
Lincoln drew his

So you try to justify the absurd with more absurdity? LMAO


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I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


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Agreed. However there is a precedent. Lincoln used Article 1 sections 8 and 9 to suspend civil governance and habeus corpus respectively on the eve of the Civil War.

Constitutionally habeus corpus is the only right that may be suspended in an insurrection. This ain't the 1860s, the people won't put up with that kind of BS now, I don't think SCOTUS would either. And there's no insurrection.


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Trump's base, sheep like ewe, wll go along with anything Trump says.

 

[OKTexas]

I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

I agree. However a precedent has been set
when Lincoln declared Martial Law on the eve of the Civil War. His justification was obvious.
Lincoln drew his

I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

Agreed. However there is a precedent. Lincoln used Article 1 sections 8 and 9 to suspend civil governance and habeus corpus respectively on the eve of the Civil War.

Constitutionally habeus corpus is the only right that may be suspended in an insurrection. This ain't the 1860s, the people won't put up with that kind of BS now, I don't think SCOTUS would either. And there's no insurrection.


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Trump's base, sheep like ewe, wll go along with anything Trump says.

Wrong answer Cleetus.


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[JQPublic1]

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

I agree. However a precedent has been set
when Lincoln declared Martial Law on the eve of the Civil War. His justification was obvious.
Lincoln drew his

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

Agreed. However there is a precedent. Lincoln used Article 1 sections 8 and 9 to suspend civil governance and habeus corpus respectively on the eve of the Civil War.

Constitutionally habeus corpus is the only right that may be suspended in an insurrection. This ain't the 1860s, the people won't put up with that kind of BS now, I don't think SCOTUS would either. And there's no insurrection.


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Trump's base, sheep like ewe, wll go along with anything Trump says.

Wrong answer Cleetus.


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So far it's been the right answer. Trump can lie daily, skeletons in his closet are walking around right in front of news cameras, and he can violate the emoluments clause at will snd his populist base pretends he's their god.

 

[OKTexas]

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

I agree. However a precedent has been set
when Lincoln declared Martial Law on the eve of the Civil War. His justification was obvious.
Lincoln drew his

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

Agreed. However there is a precedent. Lincoln used Article 1 sections 8 and 9 to suspend civil governance and habeus corpus respectively on the eve of the Civil War.

Constitutionally habeus corpus is the only right that may be suspended in an insurrection. This ain't the 1860s, the people won't put up with that kind of BS now, I don't think SCOTUS would either. And there's no insurrection.


.

Trump's base, sheep like ewe, wll go along with anything Trump says.

Wrong answer Cleetus.


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So far it's been the right answer. Trump can lie daily, skeletons in his closet are walking around right in front of news cameras, and he can violate the emoluments clause at will snd his populist base pretends he's their god.

You don't know shit from emoluments and it's all about results.


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[jc456]

I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

I agree. However a precedent has been set
when Lincoln declared Martial Law on the eve of the Civil War. His justification was obvious.
Lincoln drew his

I can't tell if JQ is serious.

Trump can't do anything without some judge declaring it "unconstitutional".

If Martial Law is declared for any reason the Constitution is suspended!

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

Agreed. However there is a precedent. Lincoln used Article 1 sections 8 and 9 to suspend civil governance and habeus corpus respectively on the eve of the Civil War.

Constitutionally habeus corpus is the only right that may be suspended in an insurrection. This ain't the 1860s, the people won't put up with that kind of BS now, I don't think SCOTUS would either. And there's no insurrection.


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Trump's base, sheep like ewe, wll go along with anything Trump says.

Oh bullishit. You guys ever just say something reasonably? Sky is falling

 

[jc456]

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


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I agree. However a precedent has been set
when Lincoln declared Martial Law on the eve of the Civil War. His justification was obvious.
Lincoln drew his

There are no provisions in the Constitution for that to happen.


.

Agreed. However there is a precedent. Lincoln used Article 1 sections 8 and 9 to suspend civil governance and habeus corpus respectively on the eve of the Civil War.

Constitutionally habeus corpus is the only right that may be suspended in an insurrection. This ain't the 1860s, the people won't put up with that kind of BS now, I don't think SCOTUS would either. And there's no insurrection.


.

Trump's base, sheep like ewe, wll go along with anything Trump says.

Wrong answer Cleetus.


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So far it's been the right answer. Trump can lie daily, skeletons in his closet are walking around right in front of news cameras, and he can violate the emoluments clause at will snd his populist base pretends he's their god.

Dude, it’s his policy not his ideological positions. Fk man stop guessing