Which Side Are You On?

[Daniyel]

Which Side Are You On?

I stand with Israel

...for Peace, with security for Israel.

Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

First of all you can, second don't hit and run, you post crap and then disappear without leaving any comment, its against the board rules, you pretty much remind me of Freeman, another slur posting TOTAL BULLSHIT and NEVER POST ANYTHING.

 

[aris2chat]

Which Side Are You On?

I stand with Israel

...for Peace, with security for Israel.

Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

It is not an either or. I gave my answer.

I want peace but that peace must secure the existence of Israel.

I want everyone to drop their guns, step away from the rockets and artillery and just talk to each other.

 

[ChrisL]

Which Side Are You On?

I stand with Israel

...for Peace, with security for Israel.

Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

I think we should stop giving aid to every single other country (especially those known to harbor terrorists) and send all that money to Israel. What do you think of that? Let's give Israel the tools to wipe out a good portion of the terrorist population over there in the ME, and then that problem will be taken care of. Hurrah!!!

 

[fanger]

...for Peace, with security for Israel.

Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

I think we should stop giving aid to every single other country (especially those known to harbor terrorists) and send all that money to Israel. What do you think of that? Let's give Israel the tools to wipe out a good portion of the terrorist population over there in the ME, and then that problem will be taken care of. Hurrah!!!

 

[Beelzebub]

Israel comes first, and Israel is everything.

Wow.

That is a mind set which allows any evil, so long as it supports the thing which comes above all else. We know that is the reason for Israel being psychotic & fascist as a state, but it is surprising to see you crystallize the idea so succinctly.

 

[Crystalclear]

Israel doesn't steal other people's land.

The approximate size of Israel is 8,000 square miles. Prior to 1948, the approximate size of Israel was zero square miles. How did Israel get this land? Some say steal it, others say it was given to them. If it was given to them, who gave it to them? The answer to this question is the United Nations. How did the United Nations get this land? The answer to this question is that they appropriated it (stole it). So you are right. Israel did not steal Israel, what they did, in typical Zionist fashion, was to get somebody else to steal it for them. Want a better explanation than this. Then click on the following:



A Synopsis of the Israel/Palestine Conflict

The UN didn't steal that land. The territory used to be part of the Ottoman Empire. But the Ottoman Empire lost WW1 and it's land. The land was divided between the successors of the war. It was all legitimate.

 

[ChrisL]

Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

I think we should stop giving aid to every single other country (especially those known to harbor terrorists) and send all that money to Israel. What do you think of that? Let's give Israel the tools to wipe out a good portion of the terrorist population over there in the ME, and then that problem will be taken care of. Hurrah!!!

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[teddyearp]

I stand on the side that is right.
I stand on the side that DOES NOT ask for the extinction of the other side.
I stand on the side that takes concrete to build homes, businesses and not tunnels.
I stand on the side that puts people in shelters and does NOT put people into bombing targets.
I stand on the side that does not teach their children the following:
Her story soon takes a chilling turn. The Palestinians were having a nice barbecue on the beach when a wolf appeared, she recounts. “Who is the wolf?” the teacher asks. “The Jews! Isn’t it true that the Jews are the wolf?”

“Who expelled us?” she asks the kids, who listen with rapt attention. “The Jews!” they yell energetically.

“I will defeat the Jews,” a camper named Tayma tells the documentary crew. “They are a gang of infidels and Christians. They don’t like Allah and do not worship Allah. And they hate us.”

One young campers sums up, “The summer camp teaches us that we have to liberate Palestine.”

It is clear that in Palestinian society something has gone dreadfully wrong. Children in Palestinian communities in the West Bank and Gaza are turned into ‘self-destructing human bombs’ capable of carrying out casualty terrorist attacks in the struggle between Palestinians and Israelis - a phenomenon whose seeds can be traced to the first Intifada.

It happened because Arab communities within the civil jurisdiction of self-rule under the Palestinian Authority (which includes 97 percent of the Arab residents in the West Bank and 100 percent of those in Gaza) foster a culture that prepares children for armed conflict, consciously and purposely putting them in harm’s way for political gain and tactical advantage in their war against Israel. The PA buses children to violent flashpoints far from their neighborhoods and Arab snipers often hide among the young during battle, using children as human shields. Teenaged perpetrators of suicide attacks have become the norm.2

In the first Intifada, a similar pattern surfaced, in which women and children led riots while young men in their late teens and early 20s, armed with rocks, sling shots, Molotov cocktails and grenades operated from the rear.3

There were thousands of Molotov cocktail attacks, more than 100 hand grenade attacks and more than 500 attacks with guns or explosive devices over the course of the first Intifada. Children in elementary and junior high school were encouraged to stone Israelis using rocks and slingshots, knowing that Israeli soldiers could do little beyond taking the youngsters into custody and fining their parents in the hopes they would ground their children. Instead, Palestinian parents sent their children back onto the streets. Some were killed. Others were maimed.
Children Dying to Kill - A Society that Consciously Sacrifices its Own Youth

I think this one sums it all up very well. The Palestinian rulers (or 'handlers') have used them so much that it is sad. Over the years, more and more generations of Palestinians have been taught to hate Israel. So much so that it is not hard for me to see why finally that hate could be returned.

 

[Beelzebub]

"more and more generations of Palestinians have been taught to hate Israel."

Funny that.
And as a westerner, amongst many westerners I have been fed the Israeli / Zionist line all my life.
From stories in 1967 about how 'brave young boys and girls carried artillery shells up hills to defend Israel from the attacking hoards, with tears streaming down their faces" (actual story of the time), to "The Bad Guys" (rather than desperately abandoned and desperate) hijacking aircraft, The attack on the Munich Olympics, the tale and FILM of "Raid on Entebbe", and so much more.

But we have seen what Israel is and really does, beneath the propaganda. We have looked at the history of where Zionism came from, and how it acted at each phase.

Zionism is evil. It is at least as evil as the Nazis. It is not much more sophisticated, but was lucky with The Holocaust, as a continued excuse (now worn out) and in getting massive influence over the US, in a very parasitic way.

Palestinians have known from the start how bad Zionism is.
Jews who follow the Talmud understand that Israel should not be and is the worse curse on Judaism that there is, and should not be continued.
People of conscience everywhere oppose Israel fascism called Zionism.

And you try to tell us that Palestinians are taught by Palestinians that Israel is evil and to be hated?
Not a chance mate. Israel repeats the message to every generation, even before they are walking. It kills children, it destroys families - with bombs I mean. not metaphorically. It has a creeping annexation program and a graduated genocide program, while lying unashamedly about every atrocity it commits, and it elevates its war criminals to Prime Minister, and lets them set the tone of the state.

Don't try to tell us it is Palestinians teaching their kids to hate Israel. It is Israel doing this.

 

[Daniyel]

Israel comes first, and Israel is everything.

Wow.

That is a mind set which allows any evil, so long as it supports the thing which comes above all else. We know that is the reason for Israel being psychotic & fascist as a state, but it is surprising to see you crystallize the idea so succinctly.

Nope, this mind set allowed JEWS to live safety in the most dangerous place for Jews in the world - the Middle East..but of course the Yizidis and Christians live peacefully with their Muslim neighbors!!
This is pure evil.. and this is staying OUTSIDE of Israel, send them to everywhere else if not kill them, I don't care they are not getting inside Israel.

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[Lipush]

Israel comes first, and Israel is everything.

Wow.

That is a mind set which allows any evil, so long as it supports the thing which comes above all else. We know that is the reason for Israel being psychotic & fascist as a state, but it is surprising to see you crystallize the idea so succinctly.

Why what I said is "wow" and "unacceptable"?

should any normal Americans not believe that "America comes first" and its security that means everything? Should Europeans not claim that "Europe comes first"?

Then why is it wrong for me, as an Israeli, to say that Israel comes first?

 

[citizenal]

Israel comes first, and Israel is everything.

Thank you Lipush because your comment exemplifies and demonstrates everything wrong with Zionism and everything which is wrong about Israel. I wrote the following for a different thread, but I am reposting it here because it works so well answering the tyranny lovers and pseudo Christians who support Zionism and Israel. Enjoy!

According to the Old Covenant, if you obey God's laws and commandments, he will bless you with all the good things in life. In contrast, disobey God. and you are in deep and serious trouble. In other words, obey God and he is on your side, disobey him and he is your worst enemy. This is why we have all this talk of about God being on someone's or a nation's side. It is a integral and fundamental concept of Zionist Judaism and those who subscribe to it are either Zionist Jews or Christians who do not understand their own religion. I find it totally incomprehensible that so many Christians support Zionism and Israel when by doing so the are supporting people who believe that Christians and everybody else are second rate human beings (Goyims). Its kind of like a black slave acknowledging that he should be a slave because white people are better than him.

According to the New Covenant a Christian has a personal relationship with God the primary basis of which is LOVE. God has no favorites and loves us equally whether we sin or not. He abhors the sin, not the person. The only thing he asks in return is our love for him and our fellow man. Therefore, with the Christian God there is no taking sides, there is no this land is your land because I gave it to you, there is no I can kill you because you are not of my religion, there is no I can lie or take advantage of you because you are not Jewish, and there definitely no I a better than you because God chose me over you. All these things are aspects of Zionistic Judaism and this is why Christians and Americans should not support the state of Israel. Israel exemplifies the very worst aspect of Judaism because the its existence is based upon the premise that Jews should have a homeland of their own because they are God's chosen people and being chosen their love, loyalty, and respect only extends to a fellow Jew; the rest of us being Goyims (*******). Not all Jews think this way, but the Zionists certainly do.

In conclusion, your devotion and absurdly ridiculous devotion to Israel is no different than the devotion and absurdly ridiculous devotion that the Nazis had for Germany. History indeed does repeat itself. The Palestinian people are the new Jews of the 21st century, but instead of using ovens to get rid of them, Israel uses bombs and bullets.

 

[Lipush]

Being on the opposite side of your views is a great honor

 

[Beelzebub]

Israel comes first, and Israel is everything.

Wow.

That is a mind set which allows any evil, so long as it supports the thing which comes above all else. We know that is the reason for Israel being psychotic & fascist as a state, but it is surprising to see you crystallize the idea so succinctly.

Why what I said is "wow" and "unacceptable"?

should any normal Americans not believe that "America comes first" and its security that means everything? Should Europeans not claim that "Europe comes first"?

Then why is it wrong for me, as an Israeli, to say that Israel comes first?

I accept what you say, but it is mad as rabbit wearing a top hat signing The Sun Has Got His Hat On.

"My Country, Right Or Wrong" was old when it was first stated.
If you look to every decent vision of the future it expects the world to standardise laws, have universal, indivisible and inalienable rights, and be ruled by law, with force the rare exception.

And that is the general directional flow of history.

The concept of Israel harps back to 19th century thinking, as does the state as it exists now. You actively encourage tribalism, and exceptionalism, rather than universal standards treating all people with equal respect.

Article 2 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

So "My Country Right Or Wrong" is an outdated and savage way.
Only outdated and savage people follow such a doctrine. The US and Israel being such.

Britons and Europeans are well mature enough to go against their state when their state is wrong. Americans are getting the habit too. Even some Israelis do.

To put it in terms you may understand, you should back morality before your state.
God before country. Just because your state says they do God's work doesn't make it so.

 

[Lipush]

This new version is very uncomfortable to use

 

[citizenal]

So basically you don't stand with America?

America is not a place or a group of people occupying a geographic area. America is a concept and an ideal that I stand for and as an American when my fellow citizens are wrong, I have a duty and an obligation to tell them so. As a military man, I swore an oath to defend and uphold our Constitution. I did not swear an oath to agree to agree with everybody.

 

[citizenal]

That's awesome.

"awesome"? That's not awesome, its pathetic.

 

[Daniyel]

America is not a place or a group of people occupying a geographic area. America is a concept and an ideal that I stand for and as an American when my fellow citizens are wrong, I have a duty and an obligation to tell them so. As a military man, I swore an oath to defend and uphold our Constitution. I did not swear an oath to agree to agree with everybody.

I was talking to pbell..my bad.
However can you explain to me what is 'Synagogue of Satan' has to do with politics and your opinion about Israel?

 

[citizenal]

I Think its time for your pills, except you nobody actually think we 'stole' Palestinians land..oh and the Palestinians of course.

Let's get this straight here and now. Yes, the United Nations partitioned Palestine and technically speaking the Zionists did not steal the land they occupy. However, was the partition plan put to a vote? No, it was not. Therefore, the Palestinian people, as a whole, had no say in the matter and from their perspective, their land was taken from them by force. So the situation is such; to a Zionist, they cleverly worked the system to get what they wanted (which is always the case) and to Palestinian, 'they was robbed' an now having been robbed they are being murdered because hey want their land back.

 

[citizenal]

I was talking to pbell..my bad.
However can you explain to me what is 'Synagogue of Satan' has to do with politics and your opinion about Israel?

I am not sure I understand your question. The 'Synagogue of Satan' are people who claim to be Jews but are not, so I have no idea what this has to do with politics. Furthermore, which opinion about Israel do I have that you are talking about. I have more than one.