CDZ Which is worse....nazism or communism?

[Slash]

Well...to be perfectly honest that is 'part' of what you were saying...BTW I am not here to argue nor did I argue as to why most teachers that choose to get education degrees may be leftwingers...as in I have seen no stats on that nor did you present any...though it does sound plausible.

My main concern in regards to that is why are there so many leftwing students in the first place...in other words why is the pool of leftwing students who decide to get a degree in education so large? Specifically...how did so many students get indoctrinated into leftwing politics? Is it the chicken and egg thing? Is it a process that cannot be altered?

I would like to think that professors should teach the facts, the truth and not attempt to impose a particular ideology on their students...but of course we all know that is not what is happening in our schools and universities..particuarly the prestigeous east coast universities that are hotbeds of radicalism.

You are right I didn't present any stats on that as I wasn't the person who made the claim our universities were overrun with them. That was your statement. Unless you believe it's right wingers overrunning our schools with "marxist/communist/socialist professors"

But while Socialism has been found on the far right and far left, I figured you were speaking to the far left on those people.

 

[2aguy]

Well...to be perfectly honest that is 'part' of what you were saying...BTW I am not here to argue nor did I argue as to why most teachers that choose to get education degrees may be leftwingers...as in I have seen no stats on that nor did you present any...though it does sound plausible.

My main concern in regards to that is why are there so many leftwing students in the first place...in other words why is the pool of leftwing students who decide to get a degree in education so large? Specifically...how did so many students get indoctrinated into leftwing politics? Is it the chicken and egg thing? Is it a process that cannot be altered?

I would like to think that professors should teach the facts, the truth and not attempt to impose a particular ideology on their students...but of course we all know that is not what is happening in our schools and universities..particuarly the prestigeous east coast universities that are hotbeds of radicalism.

You are right I didn't present any stats on that as I wasn't the person who made the claim our universities were overrun with them. That was your statement. Unless you believe it's right wingers overrunning our schools with "marxist/communist/socialist professors"

But while Socialism has been found on the far right and far left, I figured you were speaking to the far left on those people.

Socialism is not a Right wing thing...it is left wing..if you support socialism you are not supporting a Right wing economic system....no matter how many times you guys say it.

 

[Sundance508]

Well...to be perfectly honest that is 'part' of what you were saying...BTW I am not here to argue nor did I argue as to why most teachers that choose to get education degrees may be leftwingers...as in I have seen no stats on that nor did you present any...though it does sound plausible.

My main concern in regards to that is why are there so many leftwing students in the first place...in other words why is the pool of leftwing students who decide to get a degree in education so large? Specifically...how did so many students get indoctrinated into leftwing politics? Is it the chicken and egg thing? Is it a process that cannot be altered?

I would like to think that professors should teach the facts, the truth and not attempt to impose a particular ideology on their students...but of course we all know that is not what is happening in our schools and universities..particuarly the prestigeous east coast universities that are hotbeds of radicalism.

You are right I didn't present any stats on that as I wasn't the person who made the claim our universities were overrun with them. That was your statement. Unless you believe it's right wingers overrunning our schools with "marxist/communist/socialist professors"

But while Socialism has been found on the far right and far left, I figured you were speaking to the far left on those people.

American Academics Have Moved to the Left - The American Interest

Why Are Universities Dominated by the Left

 

[Correll]

Anyone who knows much history understands the communists slaughtered millions and millions more than the nazis did.

Now when nazis or neo nazis and communists clash....who does the media support? I shouldn't have to tell you as I am sure most of you know the answer.

Nazism is generallly speaking an artifact of history...no real nazis around anymore...the few who are known as neo-nazis are not really nazis...they have just adopted a moniker which they know irritates the hell out of the media....as in stick their finger in the medias eye....just for the hell of it.

But the communists aka the leftwingers, marxists and socialists abound in America...yet the media(being leftwing itself)will not admit they pose any danger...when in fact they are a huge danger to the future of America...but the media of course does not recognize that...but they are ever so ready to conjure up the nazi and kkk threat like it is a real threat...just another example of the fake news and how they mislead so many.

BTW blacks in Chicago kill more fellow blacks in 6 months than the KKK did in it's entire 86 year history. But do you hear the media mention that?

Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years

Both are very evil.


Nazism though, has been completely discredited and is taboo in western society.


Communism, incredibly despite the scores of millions killed, and generations of terrible oppression and war, is acceptable, and seems to be growing in support.

 

[Camp]

Anyone who knows much history understands the communists slaughtered millions and millions more than the nazis did.

Now when nazis or neo nazis and communists clash....who does the media support? I shouldn't have to tell you as I am sure most of you know the answer.

Nazism is generallly speaking an artifact of history...no real nazis around anymore...the few who are known as neo-nazis are not really nazis...they have just adopted a moniker which they know irritates the hell out of the media....as in stick their finger in the medias eye....just for the hell of it.

But the communists aka the leftwingers, marxists and socialists abound in America...yet the media(being leftwing itself)will not admit they pose any danger...when in fact they are a huge danger to the future of America...but the media of course does not recognize that...but they are ever so ready to conjure up the nazi and kkk threat like it is a real threat...just another example of the fake news and how they mislead so many.

BTW blacks in Chicago kill more fellow blacks in 6 months than the KKK did in it's entire 86 year history. But do you hear the media mention that?

Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years

Both are very evil.


Nazism though, has been completely discredited and is taboo in western society.


Communism, incredibly despite the scores of millions killed, and generations of terrible oppression and war, is acceptable, and seems to be growing in support.

Naziism is malicious and has evil built into it. Communism is just an unworkable fantasy and delusional concept that is by nature susceptible to widespread corruption.

 

[Slash]

Again you are spinning...here are your exact woids....I quote...."In a recent poll 9% of American's said they didn't think it was bad to support white supremacy or KKK leanings." as in they said it was not bad....as in we live in a free nation where people have the choice to be democrats, republicans or whatever. Nowhere or no how did they say they approve of such beliefs....they were in truth really saying it is not a bad thing when people use their freedom in America to make choices about their poliltics.

I would also add that most of those people at the rally in Virginia had no idea anyone would show up with nazi flags etc. Also...again...i think those props ...the flags etc. really did not indicate the true beliefs of those engaging in that...their intent was to shock and poke their finger in the medias eye and to tell them in essence...go to hell with your b.s. aka fake news.

Again the percentage of people in America who would identify with neo nazism or the kkk is so small as to be uncountable.

I know. I went back and found the actual terminology of the poll to clear up any misconception. That's not spinning. That was me making sure the wording was right which I agree i should have done the first time.

And guess what. If I think it's a rally about supporting our troops, that's fine, go for it. But if I show up and they are giving the KKK salute and telling me to grab a torch and chant these nazi slogans.... NOT MY RALLY. Plain and simple. That's my belief. I don't think you are a good person if you join arms with the KKK and neo-nazi's.

And how didn't they know? The thing used the official social media accounts of those groups to promote it! The top speaker quotes nazi's and denounces Jews!

When it's put together and promoted by The Daily Stormer (Neo-Nazi, literally takes the name of the Nazi propoganda paper from WWII), the Right Stuff, the neo-Confederate League of the South, the National Policy Institute, and the Nationalist front, and promoted with the KKK, the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, the 3 Percenters, the Traditionalist Workers Party, Identity Evropa, the Oath Keepers, Vanguard America, the American Guard, and the Nationalist Front, it's pretty clear what it's about. When you have to go to the website and blogs of racist hate groups to find the schedule of events, it's pretty obvious. I don't think "most of the people" had no idea.

And yes. I do think a group of Neo Nazi's and white supremacists that put this together DID intend to show their support for Neo Nazi's and white Supremacists. That's why they had neo-nazi's and white Supremacists as their keynote speakers.

 

[Slash]

Socialism is not a Right wing thing...it is left wing..if you support socialism you are not supporting a Right wing economic system....no matter how many times you guys say it.

Actually socialism has found itself on both wings though it usually ends up on the left. Nazi's were socialists. Some socialists feel that capitalism is volatile, disrupts the traditional family, and that in order to protect conservative values, a National Community (nationalism through socialism).

Basically like the socialist parties in the US that support the right, they recognize how hostile capitalism is to the health of their National Commmunity, and seeing how often capitalism is breaking down things like national identity and substituting an atomization and individuation, disrupting family structures, degrading the art through its commodification, destroying things that are unique cultural items since they can't be profited from, they then come to oppose capitalism in favour of a socialism that halts those sorts of changes from taking place.

While you may disagree with their beliefs, that doesn't take away the fact that they are right wing socialists.

 

[Sundance508]

Speaking of communism:
Five Months Later, Cuban Who Waved U.S. Flag at Communist Parade Still in Mental Institution

Five Months Later, Cuban Who Waved U.S. Flag at Communist Parade Still in Mental Institution - Breitbart

 

[Sundance508]

Anyone who knows much history understands the communists slaughtered millions and millions more than the nazis did.

Now when nazis or neo nazis and communists clash....who does the media support? I shouldn't have to tell you as I am sure most of you know the answer.

Nazism is generallly speaking an artifact of history...no real nazis around anymore...the few who are known as neo-nazis are not really nazis...they have just adopted a moniker which they know irritates the hell out of the media....as in stick their finger in the medias eye....just for the hell of it.

But the communists aka the leftwingers, marxists and socialists abound in America...yet the media(being leftwing itself)will not admit they pose any danger...when in fact they are a huge danger to the future of America...but the media of course does not recognize that...but they are ever so ready to conjure up the nazi and kkk threat like it is a real threat...just another example of the fake news and how they mislead so many.

BTW blacks in Chicago kill more fellow blacks in 6 months than the KKK did in it's entire 86 year history. But do you hear the media mention that?

Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years

Both are very evil.


Nazism though, has been completely discredited and is taboo in western society.


Communism, incredibly despite the scores of millions killed, and generations of terrible oppression and war, is acceptable, and seems to be growing in support.

Naziism is malicious and has evil built into it. Communism is just an unworkable fantasy and delusional concept that is by nature susceptible to widespread corruption.

Definitely unworkable but there is much more....the oppression, enslavement and murder of uncounted millions.

The Ultimate Guide to Siberian Gulags and Soviet Exile Sites

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'

 

[Correll]

Anyone who knows much history understands the communists slaughtered millions and millions more than the nazis did.

Now when nazis or neo nazis and communists clash....who does the media support? I shouldn't have to tell you as I am sure most of you know the answer.

Nazism is generallly speaking an artifact of history...no real nazis around anymore...the few who are known as neo-nazis are not really nazis...they have just adopted a moniker which they know irritates the hell out of the media....as in stick their finger in the medias eye....just for the hell of it.

But the communists aka the leftwingers, marxists and socialists abound in America...yet the media(being leftwing itself)will not admit they pose any danger...when in fact they are a huge danger to the future of America...but the media of course does not recognize that...but they are ever so ready to conjure up the nazi and kkk threat like it is a real threat...just another example of the fake news and how they mislead so many.

BTW blacks in Chicago kill more fellow blacks in 6 months than the KKK did in it's entire 86 year history. But do you hear the media mention that?

Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years

Both are very evil.


Nazism though, has been completely discredited and is taboo in western society.


Communism, incredibly despite the scores of millions killed, and generations of terrible oppression and war, is acceptable, and seems to be growing in support.

Naziism is malicious and has evil built into it. Communism is just an unworkable fantasy and delusional concept that is by nature susceptible to widespread corruption.

What do you base the conclusion on?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Yesterday, Berkeley denied an anti-Marxism group a permit to march. The San Francisco Chronicle beat writer covering the story labeled them as "far right", and the Berkeley mayor called them "racist".

What this tells us is that we have now arrived at the point where it is the left that is viciously against the liberal notion of free speech and anybody who does not goosestep to this authoritarianism is now a far right winger and racist.

I have to agree with the op. The Nazis out there are a tiny little group of malcontents playing dress-up and who have no power whatsoever. This extremely authoritarian left is flexing its muscles in ways that affect us all, especially in terms of undermining basic values.

 

[Sundance508]

Yesterday, Berkeley denied an anti-Marxism group a permit to march. The San Francisco Chronicle beat writer covering the story labeled them as "far right", and the Berkeley mayor called them "racist".

What this tells us is that we have now arrived at the point where it is the left that is viciously against the liberal notion of free speech and anybody who does not goosestep to this authoritarianism is now a far right winger and racist.

I have to agree with the op. The Nazis out there are a tiny little group of malcontents playing dress-up and who have no power whatsoever. This extremely authoritarian left is flexing its muscles in ways that affect us all, especially in terms of undermining basic values.

Exactly and the media pushes the leftwing agenda at every opportunity with their narrative of what American values are and or should be....total propaganda(fake news) day in and day out....completely in step with marxism and its offspring of political correctness.....backed up by the entertainment industry aka hollywood, T.V. and not even to mention the public schools and the federal civil servants, federal courts and dept. of justice.

 

[Humorme]

Anyone who knows much history understands the communists slaughtered millions and millions more than the nazis did.

Now when nazis or neo nazis and communists clash....who does the media support? I shouldn't have to tell you as I am sure most of you know the answer.

Nazism is generallly speaking an artifact of history...no real nazis around anymore...the few who are known as neo-nazis are not really nazis...they have just adopted a moniker which they know irritates the hell out of the media....as in stick their finger in the medias eye....just for the hell of it.

But the communists aka the leftwingers, marxists and socialists abound in America...yet the media(being leftwing itself)will not admit they pose any danger...when in fact they are a huge danger to the future of America...but the media of course does not recognize that...but they are ever so ready to conjure up the nazi and kkk threat like it is a real threat...just another example of the fake news and how they mislead so many.

BTW blacks in Chicago kill more fellow blacks in 6 months than the KKK did in it's entire 86 year history. But do you hear the media mention that?

Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years

I really wish that the groups supporting nazi sounding names would get serious and change their names along with their approach. Isn't there an old adage that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?

The objective ought to be to win, but when you play that popularity game with the media in charge, the whites lose - every time... the Confederate flag and now the monuments, statues and memorials as evidence.

 

[Humorme]

Yesterday, Berkeley denied an anti-Marxism group a permit to march. The San Francisco Chronicle beat writer covering the story labeled them as "far right", and the Berkeley mayor called them "racist".

What this tells us is that we have now arrived at the point where it is the left that is viciously against the liberal notion of free speech and anybody who does not goosestep to this authoritarianism is now a far right winger and racist.

I have to agree with the op. The Nazis out there are a tiny little group of malcontents playing dress-up and who have no power whatsoever. This extremely authoritarian left is flexing its muscles in ways that affect us all, especially in terms of undermining basic values.

Exactly and the media pushes the leftwing agenda at every opportunity with their narrative of what American values are and or should be....total propaganda(fake news) day in and day out....completely in step with marxism and its offspring of political correctness.....backed up by the entertainment industry aka hollywood, T.V. and not even to mention the public schools and the federal civil servants, federal courts and dept. of justice.

What kinds of things are you doing to be an example for the rest of America to follow?

 

[Sundance508]

Anyone who knows much history understands the communists slaughtered millions and millions more than the nazis did.

Now when nazis or neo nazis and communists clash....who does the media support? I shouldn't have to tell you as I am sure most of you know the answer.

Nazism is generallly speaking an artifact of history...no real nazis around anymore...the few who are known as neo-nazis are not really nazis...they have just adopted a moniker which they know irritates the hell out of the media....as in stick their finger in the medias eye....just for the hell of it.

But the communists aka the leftwingers, marxists and socialists abound in America...yet the media(being leftwing itself)will not admit they pose any danger...when in fact they are a huge danger to the future of America...but the media of course does not recognize that...but they are ever so ready to conjure up the nazi and kkk threat like it is a real threat...just another example of the fake news and how they mislead so many.

BTW blacks in Chicago kill more fellow blacks in 6 months than the KKK did in it's entire 86 year history. But do you hear the media mention that?

Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years

I really wish that the groups supporting nazi sounding names would get serious and change their names along with their approach. Isn't there an old adage that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?

The objective ought to be to win, but when you play that popularity game with the media in charge, the whites lose - every time... the Confederate flag and now the monuments, statues and memorials as evidence.

I agree...they appear to be at most just trying to be outrageous aka to make the media angry...to stick it up theirs kinda thing...perhaps emotionally enthralling but it accomplishes nothing.

The only way to improve things or to make America Great Again is to empower the traditional middle class aka The White Working Class...they have the numbers and the potential power to get America back on track.

 

[Camp]

Anyone who knows much history understands the communists slaughtered millions and millions more than the nazis did.

Now when nazis or neo nazis and communists clash....who does the media support? I shouldn't have to tell you as I am sure most of you know the answer.

Nazism is generallly speaking an artifact of history...no real nazis around anymore...the few who are known as neo-nazis are not really nazis...they have just adopted a moniker which they know irritates the hell out of the media....as in stick their finger in the medias eye....just for the hell of it.

But the communists aka the leftwingers, marxists and socialists abound in America...yet the media(being leftwing itself)will not admit they pose any danger...when in fact they are a huge danger to the future of America...but the media of course does not recognize that...but they are ever so ready to conjure up the nazi and kkk threat like it is a real threat...just another example of the fake news and how they mislead so many.

BTW blacks in Chicago kill more fellow blacks in 6 months than the KKK did in it's entire 86 year history. But do you hear the media mention that?

Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years

Both are very evil.


Nazism though, has been completely discredited and is taboo in western society.


Communism, incredibly despite the scores of millions killed, and generations of terrible oppression and war, is acceptable, and seems to be growing in support.

Naziism is malicious and has evil built into it. Communism is just an unworkable fantasy and delusional concept that is by nature susceptible to widespread corruption.

What do you base the conclusion on?

Reality.

 

[oldsoul]

To answer the op question. Naziism. As mentioned earlier, Naziism has evil built in, However, there is a chance, even if only theoretical, that Communism could remain non-violent, and uncorrupted. Unfortunately, in order to operate a large group under Communism (larger than say a few hundred) there is a certain amount of strongarm tactics that inevitably become necessary.
As an example, many Native American tribes operated under a form of Communism, and some do to this day. Few, if any, were/are larger than a few hundred. I would challenge anyone to come up with a society that was/is larger and operates under Communism, without "state" sponsored strongarm tactics.

 

[Correll]

Anyone who knows much history understands the communists slaughtered millions and millions more than the nazis did.

Now when nazis or neo nazis and communists clash....who does the media support? I shouldn't have to tell you as I am sure most of you know the answer.

Nazism is generallly speaking an artifact of history...no real nazis around anymore...the few who are known as neo-nazis are not really nazis...they have just adopted a moniker which they know irritates the hell out of the media....as in stick their finger in the medias eye....just for the hell of it.

But the communists aka the leftwingers, marxists and socialists abound in America...yet the media(being leftwing itself)will not admit they pose any danger...when in fact they are a huge danger to the future of America...but the media of course does not recognize that...but they are ever so ready to conjure up the nazi and kkk threat like it is a real threat...just another example of the fake news and how they mislead so many.

BTW blacks in Chicago kill more fellow blacks in 6 months than the KKK did in it's entire 86 year history. But do you hear the media mention that?

Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years

Both are very evil.


Nazism though, has been completely discredited and is taboo in western society.


Communism, incredibly despite the scores of millions killed, and generations of terrible oppression and war, is acceptable, and seems to be growing in support.

Naziism is malicious and has evil built into it. Communism is just an unworkable fantasy and delusional concept that is by nature susceptible to widespread corruption.

What do you base the conclusion on?

Reality.

Both justify their planned utopia, and the methods required to get there based on the superiority of their people and systems.


Nazis had their Master Race and THousand Year Reich bullshit.


Communists had the Soviet Man and the Workers Paradise bullshit.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Is there a difference?
Why yes there is...
One is a ridiculous, naive notion that there are angels among us who we can trust enough to run things for us who are immune to corruption and greed.
The other is a political group that lasted for 12 years in Germany, that believed in racial superiority and the supremacy of Adolf Hitler.

One has been tried over and over and over again with abysmal and catastrophic failure leading to death and inhumanity for millions while enrapturing a very select few in wealth and luxury.
One was tried only once, and failed with abysmal and catastrophic failure that lead to death and inhumanity for millions while also leading to the death and imprisonment of those who lead it.

One is insane, but ended most likely forever.
The other is a concurrent exercise in insanity that continues still today.

 

[Sundance508]

Is there a difference?
Why yes there is...
One is a ridiculous, naive notion that there are angels among us who we can trust enough to run things for us who are immune to corruption and greed.
The other is a political group that lasted for 12 years in Germany, that believed in racial superiority and the supremacy of Adolf Hitler.

One has been tried over and over and over again with abysmal and catastrophic failure leading to death and inhumanity for millions while enrapturing a very select few in wealth and luxury.
One was tried only once, and failed with abysmal and catastrophic failure that lead to death and inhumanity for millions while also leading to the death and imprisonment of those who lead it.

One is insane, but ended most likely forever.
The other is a concurrent exercise in insanity that continues still today.

Excellent analysis and not one that requires extraordinary intelligence to make...yet we see the alphabet media consistently fail to comprehend what is so easily seen...now why is that?

Some things I can think of...folks who go to journalism school are not that bright.

The folks who own the various networks have agendas and their reporters are compelled to follow those agendas and narratives that their bosses approve of.

Bottom Line: The various heads of the media outlets have been indoctrinated into political correctness and that is behind all their efforts to spin the news so that it supports the pc narrative and the p.c. agenda.

Now everyone of course has heard of political correctness....but how many really know much about it...aka its origins etc.?


'The Historical Origin of 'Political Correctness'
A professor at Boston University recently touched on origins of the term ‘politically correct.’ And it's revealing.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/historical-origin-political-correctness#commentanchor

In the November issue of Claremont Review of Books, Angelo M. Codevilla wrote a deep-dive article on the rise of political correctness in America.

The phrase “politically correct” is ubiquitous in America today. I complain about political correctness now and again, but I’d never given any thought to the phrase's origins. Codevilla, however, offers a fascinating look.

“The notion of political correctness came into use among Communists in the 1930s as a semi-humorous reminder that the Party’s interest is to be treated as a reality that ranks above reality itself,” writes Codevilla, Professor Emeritus of International Relations at Boston University.


The semi-humorous reminder went something like this:

“Comrade, your statement is factually incorrect.”
“Yes, it is. But it is politically correct.”


The Historical Origin of 'Political Correctness'