Which is more likely an explanation of the 2020 election

[JoeB131]

If it was ACTUALLY proven that 13,000 dead people voted in Ga, 35,000 non residents. 3000 minors, 5000 illegals....What would you say....To give me a that never happened answer is to admit fraud.

Actually, it never happened.

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's made-up claims of fake Georgia votes

President Donald Trump put forth a dizzying array of fuzzy accounting and outright false claims in an extraordinary phone call to Georgia's secretary of state seeking a reversal of his election defeat, fabricating a slew of votes that he said should've been counted in his favor

apnews.com

TRUMP: “The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is in the — close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number. And a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.”

THE FACTS: Not true. Georgia officials have debunked previous claims by the Trump campaign in November that three particular people had voted illegally, finding that other people with similar names had voted. At the time, a local district attorney announced an investigation into whether a ballot had illegally been cast in the name of a northwest Georgia man who died in 2015.

On Saturday, Raffensperger said two illegal votes on behalf of dead people have been confirmed, not thousands as Trump alleged. “The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong,” Raffensperger said.


TRUMP, claiming thousands of voters moved out of Georgia, registered in another state, and then improperly cast ballots in Georgia: “They came back in, and they voted. That was a large number.”

THE FACTS: Not so. Trump supporters are working from a list of questionable accuracy, according to Ryan Germany, the general counsel for Raffensperger’s office. He told Trump during the call that the claims have been investigated and that in many cases, voters “moved back years ago. It’s not like it happened just before the election. There’s something about that data that it’s just not accurate.”

 

[gipper]

Scenario 3: Cheating in the tens of millions column

Yes, because clearly after you kill 400,000 people, you are going to be really popular.

Will you be able to admit Joe is no different from Don, on the major issues of the day? I suspect not though it will be abundantly clear.

 

[kyzr]

Scenario 3: Cheating in the tens of millions column

Yes, because clearly after you kill 400,000 people, you are going to be really popular.

Cuomo didn't kill all 400,000 old folks, did he?
It could have been China since they started the pandemic?? maybe??

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Scenario 3: Cheating in the tens of millions column

Yes, because clearly after you kill 400,000 people, you are going to be really popular.

EVERY ONE of those 400,000 dead planned to vote for Biden

Is it a coincidence that only Biden voters were killed by COVID?

Even on a bad day, the dead vote democrat by a 99-1 margin

 

[JoeB131]

Agreed Biden got more "votes", but how many were illegitimate?

The fact is that Trump got 10m more votes than in 2016,

And Biden got 14 million more votes than Hillary did. The thing was, voter participation was higher. People didn't vote in 2016 because they really didn't like either candidate, a lot of people pissed away their votes on third party candidates.

If anything makes me suspicious, it's that Trump got more votes, not Biden. But as percentages of the electorate, Trump didn't do any better than he did in 2016, he got less than 47% of the vote. Romney got 47% of the vote. McCain got 45% of the vote.

the GOP won (12) House seats in an election that was a referendum on Trump and the GOP,

Again, those house districts are drawn to favor Republicans....

and the GOP basically held serve in the Senate except for their stupidity running Doug Collins,

Actually, Collins probalby would have beaten Warnock... Loeffler was the worse candidate and the GOP ran her.

in a year the GOP was supposed to lose the senate. So how the fuck did Joe Biden win against the red tide? Hint: by cheating.

The GOP DID lose the Senate.

Now, that said, there were two seats the Democrats SHOULD have won that they didn't. North Carolina, their Senate Candidate imploded after it was discovered he was having an affair. Probably cost the state for Biden as well.

Maine, the only reason why Susan Collins survived was because she distanced herself from Trump.

Now, really, the Democrats did waste a lot of money in places like KY and SC, not because they had a real chance there, but because the people running were such symbols of everything wrong with the GOP.

 

[JoeB131]

Cuomo didn't kill all 400,000 old folks, did he?
It could have been China since they started the pandemic?? maybe??

Nope, it was Trump's incompetence, making Masking a social issue, hawking fake cures, calling the virus a hoax, undermining Dr. Fauci at every opportunity because he was more popular.

 

[Dragonlady]

Scenario-1: the MSM and their fake polls predicted the democrats would win in a big blue wave. The fact is that the GOP didn't lose a House seat, the democrats lost (12) seats. The polls showed that the (14) GOP senators up for election were vulnerable, fact is that the GOP lost (3) seats, two by their own stupidity by running Doug Collins against Loeffler splitting the GOP vote. Fact is Trump got 10m more votes in 2020 than in 2016, that shows amazing popularity. So how did he lose?

Scenario-2: The democrats cheated like they always do, and the MSM and deep state and the courts cover it up instead of investigating. Biden is illegitimate, I hope the FBI nails them for their money-laundering scams.
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There is no logic behind your #1. It simply proves his thesis #1. People voted AGAINST Donald Trump. People were willing to vote Republican, but they weren't willing to vote for Trump.

If the election were rigged, why not make a Big Blue Wave, and take a massive majority in the House and Senate. Why wouyld Dems hobble themselves by losing the House seats, and not give themselves a super majority in the senate?

 

[kyzr]

Cuomo didn't kill all 400,000 old folks, did he?
It could have been China since they started the pandemic?? maybe??

Nope, it was Trump's incompetence, making Masking a social issue, hawking fake cures, calling the virus a hoax, undermining Dr. Fauci at every opportunity because he was more popular.

What about operation "warp speed" and developing and producing vaccines in record time? (Trump gets credit for that.)
Who moved all the medical PPE manufacturing to China? (globalists)
Why were the shelves bare of ventilators? (Obama admin)
Why did democrats call Trump's travel ban from China "xenophobic"?
Why are the red state economies doing better than the blue state economies?

 

[kyzr]

Scenario-1: the MSM and their fake polls predicted the democrats would win in a big blue wave. The fact is that the GOP didn't lose a House seat, the democrats lost (12) seats. The polls showed that the (14) GOP senators up for election were vulnerable, fact is that the GOP lost (3) seats, two by their own stupidity by running Doug Collins against Loeffler splitting the GOP vote. Fact is Trump got 10m more votes in 2020 than in 2016, that shows amazing popularity. So how did he lose?

Scenario-2: The democrats cheated like they always do, and the MSM and deep state and the courts cover it up instead of investigating. Biden is illegitimate, I hope the FBI nails them for their money-laundering scams.
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There is no logic behind your #1. It simply proves his thesis #1. People voted AGAINST Donald Trump. People were willing to vote Republican, but they weren't willing to vote for Trump.

If the election were rigged, why not make a Big Blue Wave, and take a massive majority in the House and Senate. Why would Dems hobble themselves by losing the House seats, and not give themselves a super majority in the senate?

Most of the fake ballots did not have any down ballot votes, just a vote for Biden.
That's just easier to mass produce, to save time and finger cramps.
If you look at the votes as they came in you'd see a pattern something like this, which proves voter fraud:

 

[j-mac]

Scenario 3: Cheating in the tens of millions column

Yes, because clearly after you kill 400,000 people, you are going to be really popular.

I sure hope you realize that YOUR guy now is in charge, and those deaths now become his, as well as whatever blunders happen from this point forward....I am sure you will find a way to excuse that though....Hack.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Scenario 2 - That people really did like the daily dose of crazy, and despite all the damage done, he really won the election, and a conspiracy by election officials across the country, state legislators and officials (many of them Republicans) the courts (again, many of them Republicans, some of whom he appointed), manufacturers of voting machines, and the entire news media, including Fox News, all worked together to cheat him out of his victory.

In 2016, Scenario 2 was that 3 million illegal Mexicans were allowed to vote against Trump

In 2008, Scenario 2 was that Obama’s parents left Hawaii and ran off to Kenya so that their child could be born in a Kenyan hospital. Knowing that this mixed race child would someday be President, they conspired to get him a fake Hawaiian Birth Certificate

If it was ACTUALLY proven that 13,000 dead people voted in Ga, 35,000 non residents. 3000 minors, 5000 illegals....What would you say....To give me a that never happened answer is to admit fraud.

OMG

Looks like we got a Scenario 2

Thanks. You answered that for me.

 

[BluesLegend]

Scenario 1- That an unpopular president who was rejected by the popular vote, twice, whose approval rating never got above 50% in four years, who presided over a devastating pandemic, a massive recession and daily civil unrest, lost the election because the people didn't want him to do any more damage.

or

Scenario 2 - That people really did like the daily dose of crazy, and despite all the damage done, he really won the election, and a conspiracy by election officials across the country, state legislators and officials (many of them Republicans) the courts (again, many of them Republicans, some of whom he appointed), manufacturers of voting machines, and the entire news media, including Fox News, all worked together to cheat him out of his victory.

Unpopular? President Trump got millions more votes than Obama did on his best day. There I destroyed your entire thread.

 

[JoeB131]

What about operation "warp speed" and developing and producing vaccines in record time? (Trump gets credit for that.)

Uh, we are woefully behind in the distribution of vaccines. Trump was supposed to have 20 million distributed by the end of the last year, we are at only 12 million now. So this gets added to the "Stuff Trump Fucked up that Biden's gonna have to fix" list.

Who moved all the medical PPE manufacturing to China? (globalists)

Ooooohhh... the Globalists!!!!

Actually, it was the same big greedy corporations that send all their money to the GOP, dummy.

Why were the shelves bare of ventilators? (Obama admin)

Another lie.

Fact check: Trump claimed he was left 'no ventilators.' His administration just confirmed he had more than 16,000

President Donald Trump's administration has confirmed that Trump has been wildly inaccurate when he has claimed he inherited "no ventilators" from the Obama administration.

www.cnn.com

A spokesperson for the department said there were 16,660 ventilators available in the stockpile in March for immediate use -- far more than the 10,760 ventilators the Trump administration has actually ended up distributing during the coronavirus pandemic as of Tuesday.
And those 16,660 available ventilators "did not include any acquired by the current administration," the spokesperson said, speaking on behalf of the department but on condition of anonymity. The total number of ventilators available for immediate use in January 2017, when Trump took office, "would not have been much different" than the 16,660 available in March of this year, the spokesperson said.

Why did democrats call Trump's travel ban from China "xenophobic"?

Because it was. The travel ban probably made things worse, as a lot of Americans doing business in China rushed to get back here before the airports all closed and brought the virus with them.

Why are the red state economies doing better than the blue state economies?

They aren't, but congrats on your promotion to Head Possum Catcher, Cleetus.

 

[JoeB131]

Unpopular? President Trump got millions more votes than Obama did on his best day. There I destroyed your entire thread.

Are you possibly retarded? Did you get dropped on your head as a child?

Trump got 46.9% of the vote. Only slightly better than the 45.2% of the vote he got in 2016. Less than the 47.2% Mitt Romney got and FAR less than the 50% Bush got in 2004.

Of course, the number was higher because the number of voters was higher.

 

[Rocko]

JoeB is an idiot, but he’s right Trump lost

 

[surada]

Scenario 1- That an unpopular president who was rejected by the popular vote, twice, whose approval rating never got above 50% in four years, who presided over a devastating pandemic, a massive recession and daily civil unrest, lost the election because the people didn't want him to do any more damage.

or

Scenario 2 - That people really did like the daily dose of crazy, and despite all the damage done, he really won the election, and a conspiracy by election officials across the country, state legislators and officials (many of them Republicans) the courts (again, many of them Republicans, some of whom he appointed), manufacturers of voting machines, and the entire news media, including Fox News, all worked together to cheat him out of his victory.

Biden won the popular vote by 8 million and EC by 306 compared to Trump's 232.

Biden won the swing states by a considerably larger margin than Trump's 70,000 votes spread across three states.

 

[surada]

If it was ACTUALLY proven that 13,000 dead people voted in Ga, 35,000 non residents. 3000 minors, 5000 illegals....What would you say....To give me a that never happened answer is to admit fraud.

Actually, it never happened.

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's made-up claims of fake Georgia votes

President Donald Trump put forth a dizzying array of fuzzy accounting and outright false claims in an extraordinary phone call to Georgia's secretary of state seeking a reversal of his election defeat, fabricating a slew of votes that he said should've been counted in his favor

apnews.com

TRUMP: “The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is in the — close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number. And a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.”

THE FACTS: Not true. Georgia officials have debunked previous claims by the Trump campaign in November that three particular people had voted illegally, finding that other people with similar names had voted. At the time, a local district attorney announced an investigation into whether a ballot had illegally been cast in the name of a northwest Georgia man who died in 2015.

On Saturday, Raffensperger said two illegal votes on behalf of dead people have been confirmed, not thousands as Trump alleged. “The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong,” Raffensperger said.


TRUMP, claiming thousands of voters moved out of Georgia, registered in another state, and then improperly cast ballots in Georgia: “They came back in, and they voted. That was a large number.”

THE FACTS: Not so. Trump supporters are working from a list of questionable accuracy, according to Ryan Germany, the general counsel for Raffensperger’s office. He told Trump during the call that the claims have been investigated and that in many cases, voters “moved back years ago. It’s not like it happened just before the election. There’s something about that data that it’s just not accurate.”

Hang on sloopy

Yep Trump told another boatload of lies about Georgia. Seems like this kind of lies and slander should come with big fines and jail time. This is the sort of shit swindlers do. Its NOT freedom of speech.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

If it was ACTUALLY proven that 13,000 dead people voted in Ga, 35,000 non residents. 3000 minors, 5000 illegals....What would you say....To give me a that never happened answer is to admit fraud.

Actually, it never happened.

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's made-up claims of fake Georgia votes

President Donald Trump put forth a dizzying array of fuzzy accounting and outright false claims in an extraordinary phone call to Georgia's secretary of state seeking a reversal of his election defeat, fabricating a slew of votes that he said should've been counted in his favor

apnews.com

TRUMP: “The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is in the — close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number. And a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.”

THE FACTS: Not true. Georgia officials have debunked previous claims by the Trump campaign in November that three particular people had voted illegally, finding that other people with similar names had voted. At the time, a local district attorney announced an investigation into whether a ballot had illegally been cast in the name of a northwest Georgia man who died in 2015.

On Saturday, Raffensperger said two illegal votes on behalf of dead people have been confirmed, not thousands as Trump alleged. “The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong,” Raffensperger said.


TRUMP, claiming thousands of voters moved out of Georgia, registered in another state, and then improperly cast ballots in Georgia: “They came back in, and they voted. That was a large number.”

THE FACTS: Not so. Trump supporters are working from a list of questionable accuracy, according to Ryan Germany, the general counsel for Raffensperger’s office. He told Trump during the call that the claims have been investigated and that in many cases, voters “moved back years ago. It’s not like it happened just before the election. There’s something about that data that it’s just not accurate.”

Hang on sloopy

Yep Trump told another boatload of lies about Georgia. Seems like this kind of lies and slander should come with big fines and jail time. This is the sort of shit swindlers do. Its NOT freedom of speech.

Sure he did sure he did.

 

[surada]

If it was ACTUALLY proven that 13,000 dead people voted in Ga, 35,000 non residents. 3000 minors, 5000 illegals....What would you say....To give me a that never happened answer is to admit fraud.

Actually, it never happened.

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's made-up claims of fake Georgia votes

President Donald Trump put forth a dizzying array of fuzzy accounting and outright false claims in an extraordinary phone call to Georgia's secretary of state seeking a reversal of his election defeat, fabricating a slew of votes that he said should've been counted in his favor

apnews.com

TRUMP: “The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is in the — close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number. And a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.”

THE FACTS: Not true. Georgia officials have debunked previous claims by the Trump campaign in November that three particular people had voted illegally, finding that other people with similar names had voted. At the time, a local district attorney announced an investigation into whether a ballot had illegally been cast in the name of a northwest Georgia man who died in 2015.

On Saturday, Raffensperger said two illegal votes on behalf of dead people have been confirmed, not thousands as Trump alleged. “The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted. And so that’s wrong,” Raffensperger said.


TRUMP, claiming thousands of voters moved out of Georgia, registered in another state, and then improperly cast ballots in Georgia: “They came back in, and they voted. That was a large number.”

THE FACTS: Not so. Trump supporters are working from a list of questionable accuracy, according to Ryan Germany, the general counsel for Raffensperger’s office. He told Trump during the call that the claims have been investigated and that in many cases, voters “moved back years ago. It’s not like it happened just before the election. There’s something about that data that it’s just not accurate.”

Hang on sloopy

Yep Trump told another boatload of lies about Georgia. Seems like this kind of lies and slander should come with big fines and jail time. This is the sort of shit swindlers do. Its NOT freedom of speech.

Sure he did sure he did.

Trump should step up and PROVE his lies.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Scenario 3:
The dementia riddle 2 time loser who ran a campaign from his basement was so far behind in every swing state they leftist in the major cities who run the pols shut the counting down for "maintainence" "water main break" and magically when the country woke up the next morning Quid Pro Pedo Joe was in the lead. Stopped counting? Hahahaha.