Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

[BlackSand]

Sensible gun regulation is not taking away anyone's right.

Both Congress and SCOTUS can and have done it.

If you are not attempting to take away a right I already have ... Then we really don't have anything to discuss.
Don't make the mistake of thinking I don't believe SCOTUS and Congress has already overstepped its bounds on many occasions.

So ... What that leaves us with is the reality of the situation.
Do the best you can with your efforts and ambitions ... I am prepared to do my best ...

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[JakeStarkey]

What YOU think about the Constitutional bounds of SCOTUS and Congress does not mean squat.

The institutions will do what they will do, and we will live with result.

 

[Anathema]

You see Britain in the way your handlers want you to see it. Sorry, but I've lived in the UK, I'm not being told by someone who thinks they can find it on the map what it's actually like in that country.

What handlers would that be? I'm not part of any political or social movement or organization. I never hsve been and never will be.

Honestly, I couldn't care any less what it's like in the UK, Germany, Greece, China, or anywhere else in the world. I'm an American. My world drops off sharply at the US border.

 

[BlackSand]

What YOU think about the Constitutional bounds of SCOTUS and Congress does not mean squat.
The institutions will do what they will do, and we will live with result.

Then live with the results ... I am not asking you to change anything ... Snowflake ...

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[JakeStarkey]

What YOU think about the Constitutional bounds of SCOTUS and Congress does not mean squat.
The institutions will do what they will do, and we will live with result.

Then live with the results ... I am not asking you to change anything ... Snowflake ...

You have as much impact as they do. However, they are cute, cuddable, and very loverly for cats.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Ah, the old 100% or nothing argument.

Look, in the UK there is a murder rate 1/4 that of the US murder rate. Last year 135 US police officers were killed in the line of duty, in the UK zero.

The UK hasn't managed to get the number of people killed down to 0, but it has it much lower than the US rate. That's positive.

For you it's either no murders or a high murder rate, nothing in between.

So yes, you DID say your guns are more important than lives.

The last two shootings would not have happened in the UK. These people simply would not have had guns.

No what I said is that my right to own my firearms is protected under our Constitution and not subject to your desires.
My position is that I will defend myself before I will depend on you to protect me ... You are incapable of providing me with what I already have by taking it away.

You are free to move to the UK if you can no longer handle your fear of me and what the Constitution protects my right to have.
It wouldn't be the first time Americans chose a different path than the UK ...

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I know the right is protected. However this isn't about the right being protected, this is about you hiding behind the right in the Constitution to avoid talking about the topic.

Fine, you put your guns before you put people's lives. I got it the first time, you keep telling me then refuse to say it directly.

So, your argument is "if you don't like it, leave". Or maybe people in America are allowed to want to change the way their country changes, especially the fucked up shit. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of such a discussion?

I mean, a lot of the gun huggers don't seem to care much for the Constitution and Rights when it comes to OTHER PEOPLE, like gay people.

So because I won't just give up my right to own firearms that meas I put my guns before other peoples' lives?

OK So if I tell you that your First, Third, Fourth and Fifth amendment rights make it easier for people to kill you'll just waive them all correct?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I know the right is protected. However this isn't about the right being protected, this is about you hiding behind the right in the Constitution to avoid talking about the topic.

Fine, you put your guns before you put people's lives. I got it the first time, you keep telling me then refuse to say it directly.

So, your argument is "if you don't like it, leave". Or maybe people in America are allowed to want to change the way their country changes, especially the fucked up shit. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of such a discussion?

I mean, a lot of the gun huggers don't seem to care much for the Constitution and Rights when it comes to OTHER PEOPLE, like gay people.

It isn't about avoiding the topic as much as your avoiding the fact you don't have the right to take what I already have.
You have the same Constitutionally protected rights I have ... If you choose not to exercise your rights ... That is your choice.

What you don't understand is that you are in no position to frame the argument on just your desires.
My right to own firearms is not predicated in your or my desire to ... Nor how either of us views the sanctity of life.

It is simply a matter of whether or not I trust you to provide me with what I already have.
Get a clue chief, I am not asking for your help ... I don't need you to agree with me ... .

Sensible gun regulation is not taking away anyone's right.

Both Congress and SCOTUS can and have done it.

And as I said we already have plenty of sensible gun regulation and some that is not sensible at all.

So what new sensible gun law do you want?

And since we do not enforce the gun laws we have what makes you think this new one will be enforced so as to be effective?

 

[jc456]

You speak of integrity yet you deny the fact that the goal is to ban and confiscate as many types of firearms as possible.

Start with "assault rifles" then expand to all semiautomatics then rifles of specific calibers then shotguns then handguns.

That is the goal of a very few.

More than 93% of Americans want sensible gun laws: it's going to happen..

what are those? and I call bullshit on your number.

 

[jon_berzerk]

You speak of integrity yet you deny the fact that the goal is to ban and confiscate as many types of firearms as possible.

Start with "assault rifles" then expand to all semiautomatics then rifles of specific calibers then shotguns then handguns.

That is the goal of a very few.

More than 93% of Americans want sensible gun laws: it's going to happen..

what are those? and I call bullshit on your number.

fake poll fake news

 

[hunarcy]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

I'll use my guns to protect my life if you people will stop passing ineffective laws and policies that force me to be defenseless like the people in that church were.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ah, the old 100% or nothing argument.

Look, in the UK there is a murder rate 1/4 that of the US murder rate. Last year 135 US police officers were killed in the line of duty, in the UK zero.

The UK hasn't managed to get the number of people killed down to 0, but it has it much lower than the US rate. That's positive.

For you it's either no murders or a high murder rate, nothing in between.

So yes, you DID say your guns are more important than lives.

The last two shootings would not have happened in the UK. These people simply would not have had guns.

No what I said is that my right to own my firearms is protected under our Constitution and not subject to your desires.
My position is that I will defend myself before I will depend on you to protect me ... You are incapable of providing me with what I already have by taking it away.

You are free to move to the UK if you can no longer handle your fear of me and what the Constitution protects my right to have.
It wouldn't be the first time Americans chose a different path than the UK ...

.

I know the right is protected. However this isn't about the right being protected, this is about you hiding behind the right in the Constitution to avoid talking about the topic.

Fine, you put your guns before you put people's lives. I got it the first time, you keep telling me then refuse to say it directly.

So, your argument is "if you don't like it, leave". Or maybe people in America are allowed to want to change the way their country changes, especially the fucked up shit. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of such a discussion?

I mean, a lot of the gun huggers don't seem to care much for the Constitution and Rights when it comes to OTHER PEOPLE, like gay people.

So Get crackin on that amendment to the Constitution.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ah, the old 100% or nothing argument.

Look, in the UK there is a murder rate 1/4 that of the US murder rate. Last year 135 US police officers were killed in the line of duty, in the UK zero.

The UK hasn't managed to get the number of people killed down to 0, but it has it much lower than the US rate. That's positive.

For you it's either no murders or a high murder rate, nothing in between.

So yes, you DID say your guns are more important than lives.

The last two shootings would not have happened in the UK. These people simply would not have had guns.

No what I said is that my right to own my firearms is protected under our Constitution and not subject to your desires.
My position is that I will defend myself before I will depend on you to protect me ... You are incapable of providing me with what I already have by taking it away.

You are free to move to the UK if you can no longer handle your fear of me and what the Constitution protects my right to have.
It wouldn't be the first time Americans chose a different path than the UK ...

.

I know the right is protected. However this isn't about the right being protected, this is about you hiding behind the right in the Constitution to avoid talking about the topic.

Fine, you put your guns before you put people's lives. I got it the first time, you keep telling me then refuse to say it directly.

So, your argument is "if you don't like it, leave". Or maybe people in America are allowed to want to change the way their country changes, especially the fucked up shit. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of such a discussion?

I mean, a lot of the gun huggers don't seem to care much for the Constitution and Rights when it comes to OTHER PEOPLE, like gay people.

So because I won't just give up my right to own firearms that meas I put my guns before other peoples' lives?

OK So if I tell you that your First, Third, Fourth and Fifth amendment rights make it easier for people to kill you'll just waive them all correct?

Your logic does not mean what you think it means.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You speak of integrity yet you deny the fact that the goal is to ban and confiscate as many types of firearms as possible.

Start with "assault rifles" then expand to all semiautomatics then rifles of specific calibers then shotguns then handguns.

That is the goal of a very few.

More than 93% of Americans want sensible gun laws: it's going to happen..

I really question your research.
93%? Prove it or admit you made it up.

You need to do your own research and stop being sealion.

The number and source has been posted many times on the Board in the last two years.

No it has not. I have NEVER seen a poll that says what you claim.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Ah, the old 100% or nothing argument.

Look, in the UK there is a murder rate 1/4 that of the US murder rate. Last year 135 US police officers were killed in the line of duty, in the UK zero.

The UK hasn't managed to get the number of people killed down to 0, but it has it much lower than the US rate. That's positive.

For you it's either no murders or a high murder rate, nothing in between.

So yes, you DID say your guns are more important than lives.

The last two shootings would not have happened in the UK. These people simply would not have had guns.

No what I said is that my right to own my firearms is protected under our Constitution and not subject to your desires.
My position is that I will defend myself before I will depend on you to protect me ... You are incapable of providing me with what I already have by taking it away.

You are free to move to the UK if you can no longer handle your fear of me and what the Constitution protects my right to have.
It wouldn't be the first time Americans chose a different path than the UK ...

.

I know the right is protected. However this isn't about the right being protected, this is about you hiding behind the right in the Constitution to avoid talking about the topic.

Fine, you put your guns before you put people's lives. I got it the first time, you keep telling me then refuse to say it directly.

So, your argument is "if you don't like it, leave". Or maybe people in America are allowed to want to change the way their country changes, especially the fucked up shit. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of such a discussion?

I mean, a lot of the gun huggers don't seem to care much for the Constitution and Rights when it comes to OTHER PEOPLE, like gay people.

So because I won't just give up my right to own firearms that meas I put my guns before other peoples' lives?

OK So if I tell you that your First, Third, Fourth and Fifth amendment rights make it easier for people to kill you'll just waive them all correct?

Your logic does not mean what you think it means.

You don't understand the premise.

 

[jon_berzerk]

You speak of integrity yet you deny the fact that the goal is to ban and confiscate as many types of firearms as possible.

Start with "assault rifles" then expand to all semiautomatics then rifles of specific calibers then shotguns then handguns.

That is the goal of a very few.

More than 93% of Americans want sensible gun laws: it's going to happen..

I really question your research.
93%? Prove it or admit you made it up.

You need to do your own research and stop being sealion.

The number and source has been posted many times on the Board in the last two years.

No it has not. I have NEVER seen a poll that says what you claim.

has anyone

--LOL

 

[SSGT Bags]

You speak of integrity yet you deny the fact that the goal is to ban and confiscate as many types of firearms as possible.

Start with "assault rifles" then expand to all semiautomatics then rifles of specific calibers then shotguns then handguns.

That is the goal of a very few.

More than 93% of Americans want sensible gun laws: it's going to happen..

I really question your research.
93%? Prove it or admit you made it up.

You need to do your own research and stop being sealion.

The number and source has been posted many times on the Board in the last two years.

You have earned the title Pinocchio.
Wear all the strings attached well.

More lies and you will earn the title of Richard Cranuim!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, sir, SSG Pinocchio!

 

[frigidweirdo]

I know the right is protected. However this isn't about the right being protected, this is about you hiding behind the right in the Constitution to avoid talking about the topic.

Fine, you put your guns before you put people's lives. I got it the first time, you keep telling me then refuse to say it directly.

So, your argument is "if you don't like it, leave". Or maybe people in America are allowed to want to change the way their country changes, especially the fucked up shit. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of such a discussion?

I mean, a lot of the gun huggers don't seem to care much for the Constitution and Rights when it comes to OTHER PEOPLE, like gay people.

It isn't about avoiding the topic as much as your avoiding the fact you don't have the right to take what I already have.
You have the same Constitutionally protected rights I have ... If you choose not to exercise your rights ... That is your choice.

What you don't understand is that you are in no position to frame the argument on just your desires.
My right to own firearms is not predicated in your or my desire to ... Nor how either of us views the sanctity of life.

It is simply a matter of whether or not I trust you to provide me with what I already have.
Get a clue chief, I am not asking for your help ... I don't need you to agree with me ...

.

Well, the problem here is that we're in a conundrum.

Things are being taken away, life is being taken away in far larger numbers.

Now the question is where is the balance?

When a Muslim attacks, those on the right are rather quick to demand that rights be taken away, but when a non-Muslim attacks the right demand that their rights remain intact. When they hear about gay people getting married they demand their right to not see things they don't like Trumps the rights of other people to get married.

Well, my desires are my arguments. In the US there is a system of Democracy (abused Democracy) which allows for people's ideas and allows for change.

The US Constitution doesn't give any rights, it merely protects them from US govt infringement. Now, we can change the Constitution to get rid of that if society wants to. We could protect the right to murder in the US Constitution if we felt like it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I know the right is protected. However this isn't about the right being protected, this is about you hiding behind the right in the Constitution to avoid talking about the topic.

Fine, you put your guns before you put people's lives. I got it the first time, you keep telling me then refuse to say it directly.

So, your argument is "if you don't like it, leave". Or maybe people in America are allowed to want to change the way their country changes, especially the fucked up shit. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of such a discussion?

I mean, a lot of the gun huggers don't seem to care much for the Constitution and Rights when it comes to OTHER PEOPLE, like gay people.

It isn't about avoiding the topic as much as your avoiding the fact you don't have the right to take what I already have.
You have the same Constitutionally protected rights I have ... If you choose not to exercise your rights ... That is your choice.

What you don't understand is that you are in no position to frame the argument on just your desires.
My right to own firearms is not predicated in your or my desire to ... Nor how either of us views the sanctity of life.

It is simply a matter of whether or not I trust you to provide me with what I already have.
Get a clue chief, I am not asking for your help ... I don't need you to agree with me ...

.

Well, the problem here is that we're in a conundrum.

Things are being taken away, life is being taken away in far larger numbers.

Now the question is where is the balance?

When a Muslim attacks, those on the right are rather quick to demand that rights be taken away, but when a non-Muslim attacks the right demand that their rights remain intact. When they hear about gay people getting married they demand their right to not see things they don't like Trumps the rights of other people to get married.

Well, my desires are my arguments. In the US there is a system of Democracy (abused Democracy) which allows for people's ideas and allows for change.

The US Constitution doesn't give any rights, it merely protects them from US govt infringement. Now, we can change the Constitution to get rid of that if society wants to. We could protect the right to murder in the US Constitution if we felt like it.

So get to work on that amendment until you do the second is not going anywhere.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You see Britain in the way your handlers want you to see it. Sorry, but I've lived in the UK, I'm not being told by someone who thinks they can find it on the map what it's actually like in that country.

What handlers would that be? I'm not part of any political or social movement or organization. I never hsve been and never will be.

Honestly, I couldn't care any less what it's like in the UK, Germany, Greece, China, or anywhere else in the world. I'm an American. My world drops off sharply at the US border.

The handlers would be people like the Koch brothers.

The Families Funding the 2016 Presidential Election

158 families provided half the money for the Presidential election.

Most fund the Republicans, 138 to 20

50 of these have made the Forbes top 400.

The Koch brothers don't even make this list.

Why? Well they spend their money elsewhere.

New shocking research proves that rich people control American politics

"American politics is entirely bought and paid for by the economic elite and this democracy thing just isn't working out."

https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...ites_interest_groups_and_average_citizens.pdf

Basically the Koch brothers are changing how society works, rather than actually funding politicians.

Koch Brothers Exposed: The Chilling New Documentary Republicans Don’t Want You to See | Democracy Now!

They fund Facebook adverts, they fund TV adverts, they fund articles in gun magazines and every other right wing publication, they are changing how people think, and they're telling you that you're free but the Democrats want to take away your freedom. They tell you who to hate, who to like, they tell you what issues are important. They tell you everything. And if you don't do enough research, and 95% of people in THIS FORUM, people interested in politics, can't find their own information if they even tried, are getting information which is essentially biased, possibly fake, possibly just directed at them with an opinion that is dubious and most of it is aimed at protecting the rich people in the US.

Proportional Representation as an issue? No, it's a non-issue. Why? The rich don't want PR. It'd give MORE POWER to the people and take power from the rich. Every time I bring it up no one is interested. I have people telling me the current system is perfect. Perfect for who? For the rich.