Where The Money Scott Walker Is Cutting From Universities Is Going

[initforme]

I have lived in Wisconsin all my life...77 years of it tomorrow.I disagree with ALOT of what walker has done. I am happy the proposed mine is not going to happen. (They knew all along it was a wetland, but it took them 2 years to finally publish it). The cuts to education are forcing referendums all across the state, most of which pass overwhelmingly. So the $10 tax cut someone saves on their house turns into a $30 increase in the end. People are just not smart enough to figure it out though. On the Bucks stadium, I am in favor of it being built as it will bring in tax revenue. Granted the jobs created will be low paying(besides the union construction jobs which pay quite well and deservedly so) but giving the team up would not make any sense. Yes Walker has an affinity for the uber wealthy and thaaey control his governing, but which politician from either party is not tied to the uber wealthy(who are really starting to hurt this country). Both parties guilty as charged.

 

[Anathema]

Houston voted not to build light rail, the city did it anyway, the county voted no money to redo the Astrodome, the county is pushing ahead anyway, voting doesn't always work.

That's when you start voting with rifles and molotov cocktails.

 

[Borillar]

Overwhelming majorities of Americans don't want tax dollars to build stadiums and they don't support tax breaks for NFL teams.

Poll Americans dislike public-funded stadiums and tax breaks for NFL teams NJ.com

I would think that most public support for these new stadiums stem from the fear that if they don't pony up $$$, the owner will pack up and move to another city. No more beloved home team = angry fans = angry voters = politicians out of office. Extortion pure and simple.

 

[Anathema]

Then there is no stadium, and they lose their profession sports team. The public would go bonkers. If it wasn't for that, I'd agree with you.

That's an issue for the fans and the team to work out, not the Government.

 

[Socialist]

Then there is no stadium, and they lose their profession sports team. The public would go bonkers. If it wasn't for that, I'd agree with you.

That's an issue for the fans and the team to work out, not the Government.

I'm sorry, but this rampant fear of the government, which I understand at this point in time, but it seems like people like you would rather have corporations run everything, well, they pretty much do, just not the "evil' government.

 

[Andylusion]

Republicans... willing to throw their own kids under the bus WRT cutting higher education, but have no problem giving millions to Billionaire sports team owners to build them new stadiums. These owners all seem to play this game - buy me a new stadium or I'll pack up and move to another city where it's easier to rape the citizenry for more. Then the citizens buckle under to this extortion and build these stadiums. Taxes and fees of all sorts are raised, and in the end, ordinary people are priced out of even going to the stadiums their taxes paid for in order to see their local team's games.

Again, the public wants a sports stadium. Walker is a politician like any other. He's giving the masses what they want.

I disagree with walker on this. I wouldn't want a stadium. They are a huge drain on the resources, and have no real benefit (other than sports fans, which admittedly I'm not).

However, I also think education funding is wasted too. The more you people on the left blow on education, the more stupid our students turn out.

I will agree that many degrees are mostly worthless. A degree in 18th century French poetry isn't going to get you a job anywhere except to teach 18th century French poetry. Sadly, most decent paying jobs nowadays require a college degree of some sort. To make it harder for kids to get their degrees will only make it harder for them to obtain good jobs. Since republicans are also working hard to destroy unions, getting a decent paying job in factories will also become more difficult too.

That's not true. Unions are destroying unions. You price yourself out of the market, people tend to not hire you.

I also disagree with your position. We have made it too easy to get a degree. Employers want people who can do work. Not people with degrees.

It has been routinely shown that kids who work their way through college, end up better off, and usually with a higher grade, than those who have a free ride.

I was just reading about the TN Hope scholarship, and how even with 2/3rd paid for college, that more than half dropped out. You have to pay for only 1/3rd of your degree, and you still quit half way?

A lot of employers are complaining that people show up with degrees, and yet can't do any work. They have no job skills. They have no people skills. They can't actually perform, regardless of what the degree says.

In short, paying for that degree was a complete waste of money. And you want to make it even easier for kids to waste money? You do that with your money. Let the rest of us, keep our cash for more useful purposes.

 

[Seawytch]

http://www.psmag.com/business-economics/america-has-a-stadium-problem-62665

Economists have long known stadiums to be poor public investments. Most of the jobs created by stadium-building projects are either temporary, low-paying, or out-of-state contracting jobs—none of which contribute greatly to the local economy. (Athletes can easily circumvent most taxes in the state in which they play.) Most fans do not spend additional money as a result of a new stadium; they re-direct money they would have spent elsewhere on movies, dining, bowling, tarot-card reading, or other businesses. And for every out-of-state fan who comes into the city on game day and buys a bucket of Bud Light Platinum, another non-fan decides not to visit and purchases his latte at the coffee shop next door. All in all, building a stadium is a poor use of a few hundred million dollars.[...]

All the while, American cities, counties, and states continue to struggle. Glendale, Arizona, may actually sell City Hall so they can afford to keep subsidizing a hockey team that few people actually pay to see. Detroit isn’t exactly the paragon of fiscal responsibility, with its Emergency Manager—they have an honest-to-god "emergency manager"—offering a stern warning:

But, they’re somehow on the verge of finding $450 million for a new hockey arena.

And in Hamilton County, Ohio, where a combined $805 million in taxpayer money built the new football and baseball stadiums, police and education budgets have been slashed, while one in seven people live below the poverty line.

 

[Andylusion]

Then there is no stadium, and they lose their profession sports team. The public would go bonkers. If it wasn't for that, I'd agree with you.

That's an issue for the fans and the team to work out, not the Government.

And again, you are preaching to the choir. I'd flush the stadium, and the team. But you believe in "democracy" yes? Well this is democracy. If the majority of voters (not the majority of the public, but just those who vote) demand a stadium with public cash, then that's what they get.

 

[Staidhup]

So if a republican supports increasing taxes to build a stadium or arena to retain a professional sports franchise its bad and yet the honor role of democrats doing the same is as long or longer? Do as I say not as I do?????

 

[Socialist]

Republicans... willing to throw their own kids under the bus WRT cutting higher education, but have no problem giving millions to Billionaire sports team owners to build them new stadiums. These owners all seem to play this game - buy me a new stadium or I'll pack up and move to another city where it's easier to rape the citizenry for more. Then the citizens buckle under to this extortion and build these stadiums. Taxes and fees of all sorts are raised, and in the end, ordinary people are priced out of even going to the stadiums their taxes paid for in order to see their local team's games.

Again, the public wants a sports stadium. Walker is a politician like any other. He's giving the masses what they want.

I disagree with walker on this. I wouldn't want a stadium. They are a huge drain on the resources, and have no real benefit (other than sports fans, which admittedly I'm not).

However, I also think education funding is wasted too. The more you people on the left blow on education, the more stupid our students turn out.

I will agree that many degrees are mostly worthless. A degree in 18th century French poetry isn't going to get you a job anywhere except to teach 18th century French poetry. Sadly, most decent paying jobs nowadays require a college degree of some sort. To make it harder for kids to get their degrees will only make it harder for them to obtain good jobs. Since republicans are also working hard to destroy unions, getting a decent paying job in factories will also become more difficult too.

That's not true. Unions are destroying unions. You price yourself out of the market, people tend to not hire you.

I also disagree with your position. We have made it too easy to get a degree. Employers want people who can do work. Not people with degrees.

It has been routinely shown that kids who work their way through college, end up better off, and usually with a higher grade, than those who have a free ride.

I was just reading about the TN Hope scholarship, and how even with 2/3rd paid for college, that more than half dropped out. You have to pay for only 1/3rd of your degree, and you still quit half way?

A lot of employers are complaining that people show up with degrees, and yet can't do any work. They have no job skills. They have no people skills. They can't actually perform, regardless of what the degree says.

In short, paying for that degree was a complete waste of money. And you want to make it even easier for kids to waste money? You do that with your money. Let the rest of us, keep our cash for more useful purposes.

I'm sorry, but this entire post is a joke. Unions have brought forth unprecedented victories and organization for the working class worldwide. "Price yourself out of the market" Oh please, the countries with the strongest labor activity have the best wages, good employment, strong benefits, strong businesses... The problem is, union membership has been dying, and workers have less of a say then ever. "Too easy to get a degree" Tell me more about the price of college. Employers, not all of them, but I'd say most would love to pay out the cheapest wages, no benefits, no overtime pay, etc, etc..

 

[Dot Com]

Sounds like Walker is doing the right thing.

yeah... buying a stadium for a billionaire sports team owner. The right thing to do.

only in rw MURICA

 

[initforme]

"unions have destroyed" is the rhetoric for we want to keep you down. Otherwise you might ask for better pay and working conditions. Can't have that. Starting out at $10 per hour for some lame jerk of a boss or company is no way whatsoever to rise through the ranks. Would have never thought of something that anti self. A degree in a needed field is the ticket. Math/science degree people always always work their butts off. $10 is something I give very little effort for.

 

[S.J.]

Well, if you want to call being brainwashed by socialist "teachers" (who have no idea what it's like to live in the real world) education, then yes, it's the right thing to do.

Shall we take this as an admission that you lack an education?

I don't care how you take it, you're an idiot. My point (and I'm not surprised you missed it) is that most people find that the "education" they received is inadequate and end up having to get a REAL education (the kind you pay for with your own money) before they can find work in their chosen field. But since your chosen field is probably collecting welfare, you wouldn't know about that.

Please back up your claims with some kind of link.

Why bother? I'm not trying to convince you of something everyone already knows.

 

[Socialist]

"unions have destroyed" is the rhetoric for we want to keep you down. Otherwise you might ask for better pay and working conditions. Can't have that. Starting out at $10 per hour for some lame jerk of a boss or company is no way whatsoever to rise through the ranks. Would have never thought of something that anti self. A degree in a needed field is the ticket. Math/science degree people always always work their butts off. $10 is something I give very little effort for.

I'll just leave this here...

 

[Socialist]

Well, if you want to call being brainwashed by socialist "teachers" (who have no idea what it's like to live in the real world) education, then yes, it's the right thing to do.

Shall we take this as an admission that you lack an education?

I don't care how you take it, you're an idiot. My point (and I'm not surprised you missed it) is that most people find that the "education" they received is inadequate and end up having to get a REAL education (the kind you pay for with your own money) before they can find work in their chosen field. But since your chosen field is probably collecting welfare, you wouldn't know about that.

Please back up your claims with some kind of link.

Why bother? I'm not trying to convince you of something everyone already knows.

So, you are spewing bullshit without evidence? Who would of thought?

 

[Brain357]

Well, if you want to call being brainwashed by socialist "teachers" (who have no idea what it's like to live in the real world) education, then yes, it's the right thing to do.

Shall we take this as an admission that you lack an education?

I don't care how you take it, you're an idiot. My point (and I'm not surprised you missed it) is that most people find that the "education" they received is inadequate and end up having to get a REAL education (the kind you pay for with your own money) before they can find work in their chosen field. But since your chosen field is probably collecting welfare, you wouldn't know about that.

Please back up your claims with some kind of link.

Why bother? I'm not trying to convince you of something everyone already knows.

So you can't. I didn't think so.

 

[Andylusion]

Republicans... willing to throw their own kids under the bus WRT cutting higher education, but have no problem giving millions to Billionaire sports team owners to build them new stadiums. These owners all seem to play this game - buy me a new stadium or I'll pack up and move to another city where it's easier to rape the citizenry for more. Then the citizens buckle under to this extortion and build these stadiums. Taxes and fees of all sorts are raised, and in the end, ordinary people are priced out of even going to the stadiums their taxes paid for in order to see their local team's games.

Again, the public wants a sports stadium. Walker is a politician like any other. He's giving the masses what they want.

I disagree with walker on this. I wouldn't want a stadium. They are a huge drain on the resources, and have no real benefit (other than sports fans, which admittedly I'm not).

However, I also think education funding is wasted too. The more you people on the left blow on education, the more stupid our students turn out.

I will agree that many degrees are mostly worthless. A degree in 18th century French poetry isn't going to get you a job anywhere except to teach 18th century French poetry. Sadly, most decent paying jobs nowadays require a college degree of some sort. To make it harder for kids to get their degrees will only make it harder for them to obtain good jobs. Since republicans are also working hard to destroy unions, getting a decent paying job in factories will also become more difficult too.

That's not true. Unions are destroying unions. You price yourself out of the market, people tend to not hire you.

I also disagree with your position. We have made it too easy to get a degree. Employers want people who can do work. Not people with degrees.

It has been routinely shown that kids who work their way through college, end up better off, and usually with a higher grade, than those who have a free ride.

I was just reading about the TN Hope scholarship, and how even with 2/3rd paid for college, that more than half dropped out. You have to pay for only 1/3rd of your degree, and you still quit half way?

A lot of employers are complaining that people show up with degrees, and yet can't do any work. They have no job skills. They have no people skills. They can't actually perform, regardless of what the degree says.

In short, paying for that degree was a complete waste of money. And you want to make it even easier for kids to waste money? You do that with your money. Let the rest of us, keep our cash for more useful purposes.

I'm sorry, but this entire post is a joke. Unions have brought forth unprecedented victories and organization for the working class worldwide. "Price yourself out of the market" Oh please, the countries with the strongest labor activity have the best wages, good employment, strong benefits, strong businesses... The problem is, union membership has been dying, and workers have less of a say then ever. "Too easy to get a degree" Tell me more about the price of college. Employers, not all of them, but I'd say most would love to pay out the cheapest wages, no benefits, no overtime pay, etc, etc..

You have the right to be entirely wrong, and borderline delusional. However, since the primary topic of this thread is not Unions, and since we have more than enough about Unions, I'm not going to address that here.

As for College, the price of a basic community college, is relatively affordable. And most people can get some sort of scholarship if you put in the effort. In fact I have a buddy right now, who just finished a degree, and if I remember right, he only paid for one quarter out of pocket.

Of course he worked during his time, and paid for that himself. Which by the way, gives you motivation to finish well, and he did. 4.0. Smart guy.

But more so than that, many of the biggest employers have tuition reimbursement. Like Walmart for example. What's ironic, is that the employers that you people on the left attack, are the very employers that have the best benefits.

I've worked the tiny mom&pop stores, and those stores have zero benefits. It's the big companies like:

Best Buy
Gap
Verizon
Chevron
Home Depot
Target
Starbucks
McDonalds

and the list goes on and on...

But you hate those companies. You don't have a problem with the small mom&pop shops, which of course have no benefits at all. At least none of the ones I worked at.

Maybe if you stopped attacking the best employers, more people would get good benefits.

 

[Socialist]

Republicans... willing to throw their own kids under the bus WRT cutting higher education, but have no problem giving millions to Billionaire sports team owners to build them new stadiums. These owners all seem to play this game - buy me a new stadium or I'll pack up and move to another city where it's easier to rape the citizenry for more. Then the citizens buckle under to this extortion and build these stadiums. Taxes and fees of all sorts are raised, and in the end, ordinary people are priced out of even going to the stadiums their taxes paid for in order to see their local team's games.

Again, the public wants a sports stadium. Walker is a politician like any other. He's giving the masses what they want.

I disagree with walker on this. I wouldn't want a stadium. They are a huge drain on the resources, and have no real benefit (other than sports fans, which admittedly I'm not).

However, I also think education funding is wasted too. The more you people on the left blow on education, the more stupid our students turn out.

I will agree that many degrees are mostly worthless. A degree in 18th century French poetry isn't going to get you a job anywhere except to teach 18th century French poetry. Sadly, most decent paying jobs nowadays require a college degree of some sort. To make it harder for kids to get their degrees will only make it harder for them to obtain good jobs. Since republicans are also working hard to destroy unions, getting a decent paying job in factories will also become more difficult too.

That's not true. Unions are destroying unions. You price yourself out of the market, people tend to not hire you.

I also disagree with your position. We have made it too easy to get a degree. Employers want people who can do work. Not people with degrees.

It has been routinely shown that kids who work their way through college, end up better off, and usually with a higher grade, than those who have a free ride.

I was just reading about the TN Hope scholarship, and how even with 2/3rd paid for college, that more than half dropped out. You have to pay for only 1/3rd of your degree, and you still quit half way?

A lot of employers are complaining that people show up with degrees, and yet can't do any work. They have no job skills. They have no people skills. They can't actually perform, regardless of what the degree says.

In short, paying for that degree was a complete waste of money. And you want to make it even easier for kids to waste money? You do that with your money. Let the rest of us, keep our cash for more useful purposes.

I'm sorry, but this entire post is a joke. Unions have brought forth unprecedented victories and organization for the working class worldwide. "Price yourself out of the market" Oh please, the countries with the strongest labor activity have the best wages, good employment, strong benefits, strong businesses... The problem is, union membership has been dying, and workers have less of a say then ever. "Too easy to get a degree" Tell me more about the price of college. Employers, not all of them, but I'd say most would love to pay out the cheapest wages, no benefits, no overtime pay, etc, etc..

You have the right to be entirely wrong, and borderline delusional. However, since the primary topic of this thread is not Unions, and since we have more than enough about Unions, I'm not going to address that here.

As for College, the price of a basic community college, is relatively affordable. And most people can get some sort of scholarship if you put in the effort. In fact I have a buddy right now, who just finished a degree, and if I remember right, he only paid for one quarter out of pocket.

Of course he worked during his time, and paid for that himself. Which by the way, gives you motivation to finish well, and he did. 4.0. Smart guy.

But more so than that, many of the biggest employers have tuition reimbursement. Like Walmart for example. What's ironic, is that the employers that you people on the left attack, are the very employers that have the best benefits.

I've worked the tiny mom&pop stores, and those stores have zero benefits. It's the big companies like:

Best Buy
Gap
Verizon
Chevron
Home Depot
Target
Starbucks
McDonalds

and the list goes on and on...

But you hate those companies. You don't have a problem with the small mom&pop shops, which of course have no benefits at all. At least none of the ones I worked at.

Maybe if you stopped attacking the best employers, more people would get good benefits.

Wrong? LOLLLLLLLL. I'm sorry, but you are truly delusional for ignoring all of the contributions unions have made worldwide, and continue to make, especially in america. Look at my cartoon above, your just like that, I'm sorry, but you are. You assume I support mom and pop stores.. By my core, I'm against all exploitation of labor. Oh, which of those big stores have strong worker participation in unions, or any unions at all? Yeah, yeah, ignore the crippling student loan debt affecting many people, the lack of jobs for many degrees, the competition for scholarships that inevitably buries people... "Best benefits" Oh jesus christ, how delusional are you?

 

[Andylusion]

Well, if you want to call being brainwashed by socialist "teachers" (who have no idea what it's like to live in the real world) education, then yes, it's the right thing to do.

Shall we take this as an admission that you lack an education?

I don't care how you take it, you're an idiot. My point (and I'm not surprised you missed it) is that most people find that the "education" they received is inadequate and end up having to get a REAL education (the kind you pay for with your own money) before they can find work in their chosen field. But since your chosen field is probably collecting welfare, you wouldn't know about that.

Please back up your claims with some kind of link.

Why bother? I'm not trying to convince you of something everyone already knows.

So, you are spewing bullshit without evidence? Who would of thought?

Nah, he's right. Everyone in the real working world knows this.

There's a reason why US pay-for-service colleges routinely out perform higher education colleges from around the world.

There's a reason why the private colleges routinely out perform the public university schools.

There's a reason why private k-12 schools out perform free public schools.

 

[Socialist]

"Maybe if you stopped attacking the best employers, more people would get good benefits."
HAHAHAHHAHA. WHEN HAVE GIANT, MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS EVER GIVEN BENEFITS TO WORKERS ON THEIR OWN??