Where The Heck Did All These Leftists Come From??

[Peach]

1. Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing!

Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas.
Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.
Prager, “Still The Best Hope,” chapter two.



2. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) in PWW (The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.




3. Now, while the indoctrination by universities is thorough and complete…it is not permanent. This is the meaning of 'If you are not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you are not Conservative by 40, you have no brain'.

Therefore, what is required to maintain the miasma, the haze of Liberalism, is the media.

The media is the wall against which most folks bounce their search for “Truth.” In the Golden Days of Liberal control of the media, there was the Cronkite-Chancellor-Reasoner Cartel. In this top-down system for determining the Truth, it was handed out by a very few networks…and a handful of national newspapers. Cronkite went so far as to end any debate, each night with” “And that’s the way it is.”

a. Cronkite was a big believer in the powers of centralization, that the smartest people could get into a room and solve all the world’s problems.

b. Cronkite: “It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government patterned after our own government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace. To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order.”
Remarks on Accepting the 1999 Norman Cousins Global Governance Award - World Beyond Borders

c. Frank Zappa saw this top-down journalistic ‘Truth’ for what it was: “They walk in the door seeking a method by which they can reinforce conclusions they've already arrived at. “Zappa Family regains control of Frank's Catalog!! - Furthur Community Forum




4. Why so many in the profession lean Left? “The radicals [of the 60's] were not likely to go into business or the conventional practice of the professions. They were part of the chattering class, talkers interested in policy, politics, culture. They went into politics, print and electronic journalism, church bureaucracies, foundation staffs, Hollywood careers, public interest organizations, anywhere attitudes and opinions could be influenced. And they are exerting influence.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 51



But the spell is wearing off....fewer watch the nightly news, and fewer yet the newspapers.

5. In 1987 a group of conservative news junkies started the ‘Media Research Center.’ The same year, the Reagan administration repealed the Fairness Doctrine. A year later, Rush Limbaugh began his wildly successful radio show. And in 1996, Matt Drudge appeared.



The internet: the final battleground.

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BTW...what's "leftism?"

Anybody to the left of Mussolini, these days.

 

[PoliticalChic]

BizarroChick, that has nothing to do with anything I said or asked about.

I'll ask again. What do I as a working class guy who voted Republican have to show for my support since 1980.

Not some numbers that Republicans and Democrats share equal rations of shit for.

A vote against fiscal Armageddon- that's what I'm trying to teach you.

Republicans have ran up more of that national debt than Democrats do.

In fact, the only two times we've had balanced budgets- Bill Clinton and LBJ. And it wasn't because they were spending too little.

The problem with our system is we spend like Keynesians and tax like supply siders. You should do one or the other.

Because honestly, doing it this way, you make government more attractive. If people actually PAID for the government they were getting instead of borrowing against the national pension fund or China, we'd maybe ask about those spending sprees...

Oh, btw, you are probably about 20, and I have ties that are older than you are.

1."Republicans have ran up more of that national debt than Democrats do."

"Mr. Obama's $3.6 trillion budget blueprint, by his own admission, redefines the role of government in our economy and society. The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush -- combined."
Michael Boskin Says Barack Obama Is Moving Us Toward a European-Style Social Welfare State and Long-Run Economic Stagnation - WSJ.com


2."... balanced budgets- Bill Clinton..."

The national debt increased 41% under Bill Clinton.


3. "... and I have ties that are older than you are."

'Thems' must be some really good ties!

 

[JoeB131]

Wow, lots of obsfucation there, isn't there?

Reagan increased the national debt by 200%. And you want to bust Clinton's balls because he limited growth of the debt to 41%?

When Jerry Ford left as President, the national debt was 600 Billion.

It was 900 billion when Carter left.

It was 2.6 Trillion when Reagan left.

It was 4.2 Trillion when Bush the Smarter left.

It was 5.6 trillion when Clinton left, on track to actually decline.

But Bush the dumber decided that rich folks needed more polo ponies and we haven't done enough to needless tick off the world's 1 billion muslims, so when he left, it was up to 11 Trillion.

At current, mostly due to the unfunded wars and tax cuts Bush instituted, the debt sits at 16 trillion.

Hey, you can look this stuff up..

Government Spending Details: Federal State Local for 2012 - Charts

 

[JoeB131]

And they are very nice ties, by the way.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And they are very nice ties, by the way.

"Will be out of town from 6-29 to 7-8,..."


Mind if a couple OWS folks move in while you're away?


...they don't wear ties.

 

[JoeB131]

And they are very nice ties, by the way.

"Will be out of town from 6-29 to 7-8,..."


Mind if a couple OWS folks move in while you're away?


...they don't wear ties.

Only if they are really cute hippy chicks with easy morals...

 

[Care4all]

A vote against fiscal Armageddon- that's what I'm trying to teach you.

Republicans have ran up more of that national debt than Democrats do.

In fact, the only two times we've had balanced budgets- Bill Clinton and LBJ. And it wasn't because they were spending too little.

The problem with our system is we spend like Keynesians and tax like supply siders. You should do one or the other.

Because honestly, doing it this way, you make government more attractive. If people actually PAID for the government they were getting instead of borrowing against the national pension fund or China, we'd maybe ask about those spending sprees...

Oh, btw, you are probably about 20, and I have ties that are older than you are.

1."Republicans have ran up more of that national debt than Democrats do."

"Mr. Obama's $3.6 trillion budget blueprint, by his own admission, redefines the role of government in our economy and society. The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush -- combined."
Michael Boskin Says Barack Obama Is Moving Us Toward a European-Style Social Welfare State and Long-Run Economic Stagnation - WSJ.com


2."... balanced budgets- Bill Clinton..."

The national debt increased 41% under Bill Clinton.


3. "... and I have ties that are older than you are."

'Thems' must be some really good ties!

you do know the difference between the National PUPLIC Debt and the Total National Debt don't you? Or is it that you are counting on the members here not knowing? Just curious....

 

[editec]

Where The Heck Did All These Leftists Come From??

From your imagination.

They don't exist except in your fevered mind, lad.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And they are very nice ties, by the way.

"Will be out of town from 6-29 to 7-8,..."


Mind if a couple OWS folks move in while you're away?


...they don't wear ties.

Only if they are really cute hippy chicks with easy morals...

Okey-doke.....

Just one itsy-bitsy prob.....


"Washington, DC, Law Forces Exterminators to Capture and Relocate Rats"
Washington, DC, Law Forces Exterminators to Capture and Relocate Rats - The Rush Limbaugh Show

 

[PoliticalChic]

Republicans have ran up more of that national debt than Democrats do.

In fact, the only two times we've had balanced budgets- Bill Clinton and LBJ. And it wasn't because they were spending too little.

The problem with our system is we spend like Keynesians and tax like supply siders. You should do one or the other.

Because honestly, doing it this way, you make government more attractive. If people actually PAID for the government they were getting instead of borrowing against the national pension fund or China, we'd maybe ask about those spending sprees...

Oh, btw, you are probably about 20, and I have ties that are older than you are.

1."Republicans have ran up more of that national debt than Democrats do."

"Mr. Obama's $3.6 trillion budget blueprint, by his own admission, redefines the role of government in our economy and society. The budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, adding more to the debt than all previous presidents -- from George Washington to George W. Bush -- combined."
Michael Boskin Says Barack Obama Is Moving Us Toward a European-Style Social Welfare State and Long-Run Economic Stagnation - WSJ.com


2."... balanced budgets- Bill Clinton..."

The national debt increased 41% under Bill Clinton.


3. "... and I have ties that are older than you are."

'Thems' must be some really good ties!

you do know the difference between the National PUPLIC Debt and the Total National Debt don't you? Or is it that you are counting on the members here not knowing? Just curious....

Sure do......

....it's the flim-flam that the Left uses to pretend that Clinton actually has a balanced budget and a surplus....

You know, the same kind of propaganda the Left trots out every election, like the Right candidate is SOOOOOO StOOOOPID....


You don't really believe that, do you?




1. It should be enlightening, here, to explore accounting procedures…one of which is known as the Unified Cash Basis Budgeting. Just as with any one of us who writes a check, it is recorded as an expense, and when we receive a check, it is listed as income. Generally, government treats budgets in the same way.
U.S. GAO - Search :: "Cash basis accounting"

a. So, a deficit means that the government spent more than it received during a specific fiscal year.

b. Now, think about this: using the cash basis method, you plan for a vacation in January by taking a $2,000 loan in December. This will appear as an asset in your bookkeeping- even though you will be obligated to repay this loan: it is actually a liability! This is exactly the situation that allowed Clinton to raid the Social Security Trust Fund, and claim this as revenue, even though it is an obligation to pay in the future. Beck, Balke, “Broke,” p. 172.

c. Now, watch the sleight-of-hand: using the money received now as revenue, even though it is supposed to be for paying future benefits! http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05958sp.pdf

It is the Social Security surplus that helps offset the huge deficits!


d. So, by this method we can pencil it in when cash is paid: it gives a picture of finances at a given moment…but fails to account for resources used but not yet paid for. Retirement costs of employees? No! This is the method used by the CBO for budgeting purposes. The Federal Budget: Politics, Policy, Process - Allen Schick, Felix LoStracco - Google Books

e. This is the preferred method to use if you wish to convince folks that things aren’t as bad as they really are.



2. The Modified Accrual Basis Budget is more accurate, in that it measures income and expenses when they are actually earned or incurred, when the transaction is actually agreed to: buy two steaks, and pay on the spot. This method gives a longer-term view of all obligations, as well as resources used that year. But…it doesn’t show how much has to be borrowed for that year’s activities.

a. This method takes into consideration the cost of retirement benefits of federal employees; the method is generally used by private-sector corporations and businesses, as well as the federal government, for reporting- but not for budgeting.

b. This method does not include expected tax revenues, since it is difficult to estimate same…so it is not accounted for until it is officially collected.



3. The federal government uses both methods, as well as several other financial statements. But even this totality makes it difficult to account for long term commitments that include Social Security and Medicare. (Thus, some of those other statements). No. 282: Federal Government 2009 GAAP-Accounting

4. In addition to the above methods of calculation, there are other factors that allow the flim-flam: the influence on the annual deficit of three major “off budget” items: Social Security payroll taxes, Social Security benefit payments, and the net balance of the US Postal Service. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05958sp.pdf

a. And, if you don’t think that the reporting is made purposely confusing, the costs of running the Social Security Administration (SSA) are “on budget,” making it almost impossible to match the costs of administration with the revenues taken in.

b. The total federal deficit is the sum of on-budget deficit and off-budget deficit. But, get this, the surplus of Social Security payroll taxes is called an “off-budget” surplus, is put in the Social Security Trust Fund, which is then lent to the government…which uses it as revenue!

c. Imagine you put away $5,000 every year for forty years, for retirement, but every year you lent yourself $5,000 to go on vacation- what would you have at retirement? Forty I.O.U.’s.

d. So, one of the usual accounting ‘tricks’ is what we call ‘double counting:’ they treat it as income and use it while pretending it is there for future benefits.




5. This might sound familiar, as the same technique was use to promote the Healthcare Bill.


6. There are, actually, two kinds of government debt, public debt, which we owe to bondholders and other investors (this is genuine debt that must be repaid to investors, and currently totals about $8.6 trillon), and intragovernmental debt, which is debt the government owes to itself: currently the I.O.U.s total about $4.5trillion. National debt is actually the total of the two. Administrations usually speak of the public debt alone, ignoring the intragovernmental portion. This is because the intragovernmental debt goes up every year.


7. Publicly traded companies are bound by accounting rules known as “Generally Accepted Accounting Principles,” GAAP, which account for revenue, expenses, assets, and liabilities. So, can we count on government figures with the same degree of certainty?

a. Not exactly: the government uses the rules of the Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board, FASAB. The rules are set by Congress and the White House.

b. “The government's record-keeping was in such disarray 15 years ago that both parties agreed drastic steps were needed. Congress and two presidents took a series of actions from 1990 to 1996 that: Created the Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board to establish accounting rules, a role similar to what the powerful Financial Accounting Standards Board does for corporations.” USATODAY.com - What's the real federal deficit?


Now, for Clinton?

As is usually the case in claims such as this, it has to do with Washington doublespeak and political smoke and mirrors.

When it is claimed that Clinton paid down the national debt, that is patently false--as can be seen, the national debt went up every single year. What Clinton did do was pay down the public debt--notice that the claimed surplus is relatively close to the decrease in the public debt for those years. But he paid down the public debt by borrowing far more money in the form of intragovernmental holdings (mostly Social Security).





8. Would you like to see the actual national debt figures?
1993 4,351,044
1994 4,643,307
1995 4,920,586
1996 5,181,465
1997 5,369,206
1998 5,478,189
1999 5,605,523
2000 5,628,700

Historical Tables | The White House (table 7.1)

The table 7.1 will also show that he inherited a $4 trillion debt.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1950 - 1999

That means the debt increased 41% under Clinton.
And no wars or military build up to blame it on!


Really have to laugh at the Democrat simpletons who actually believed that Clinton-the-rapist lowered anything but his pants!!!



Hope that points you in the RIGHT direction, Care....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Where The Heck Did All These Leftists Come From??

From your imagination.

They don't exist except in your fevered mind, lad.

Let me know if you'd like to know about Leftists....as it's clear that you haven't a clue....

 

[Toro]

I won't vote for Romney because I hate Mormons with a passion that can blot out suns.

Tell me, what do I have to show for it?

Probably an ulcer on the way and a shorter life span.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

1. Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing!

Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas.
Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.
Prager, “Still The Best Hope,” chapter two.



2. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) in PWW (The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.




3. Now, while the indoctrination by universities is thorough and complete…it is not permanent. This is the meaning of 'If you are not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you are not Conservative by 40, you have no brain'.

Therefore, what is required to maintain the miasma, the haze of Liberalism, is the media.

The media is the wall against which most folks bounce their search for “Truth.” In the Golden Days of Liberal control of the media, there was the Cronkite-Chancellor-Reasoner Cartel. In this top-down system for determining the Truth, it was handed out by a very few networks…and a handful of national newspapers. Cronkite went so far as to end any debate, each night with” “And that’s the way it is.”

a. Cronkite was a big believer in the powers of centralization, that the smartest people could get into a room and solve all the world’s problems.

b. Cronkite: “It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government patterned after our own government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace. To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order.”
Remarks on Accepting the 1999 Norman Cousins Global Governance Award - World Beyond Borders

c. Frank Zappa saw this top-down journalistic ‘Truth’ for what it was: “They walk in the door seeking a method by which they can reinforce conclusions they've already arrived at. “Zappa Family regains control of Frank's Catalog!! - Furthur Community Forum




4. Why so many in the profession lean Left? “The radicals [of the 60's] were not likely to go into business or the conventional practice of the professions. They were part of the chattering class, talkers interested in policy, politics, culture. They went into politics, print and electronic journalism, church bureaucracies, foundation staffs, Hollywood careers, public interest organizations, anywhere attitudes and opinions could be influenced. And they are exerting influence.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 51



But the spell is wearing off....fewer watch the nightly news, and fewer yet the newspapers.

5. In 1987 a group of conservative news junkies started the ‘Media Research Center.’ The same year, the Reagan administration repealed the Fairness Doctrine. A year later, Rush Limbaugh began his wildly successful radio show. And in 1996, Matt Drudge appeared.



The internet: the final battleground.

Love the Zappa Quote!

It's why the Left hates Limbaugh and Drudge and wants to shut them down. They cannot tolerate alternative opinions

 

[CrusaderFrank]

what a stooge polichunk is.

What the **** happened to you? Did TM hack your account?

 

[JoeB131]

I won't vote for Romney because I hate Mormons with a passion that can blot out suns.

Tell me, what do I have to show for it?

Probably an ulcer on the way and a shorter life span.

Wow, you left out the key part of the question, guy.

What do WORKING PEOPLE who've been victimized by the plutocrats for 30 years have to show for their support of the GOP?

And the answer is, not a damn thing.

Not that I love the Donkeys, I don't. But at least their hearts are in the right places.

The GOP needs to be sent to political siberia until they get it right with the working man.

 

[Toro]

you do know the difference between the National PUPLIC Debt and the Total National Debt don't you? Or is it that you are counting on the members here not knowing? Just curious....

Sure do......

....it's the flim-flam that the Left uses to pretend that Clinton actually has a balanced budget and a surplus....

You know, the same kind of propaganda the Left trots out every election, like the Right candidate is SOOOOOO StOOOOPID....

We balanced the unified budget in the 1990s. We did not balance the operating budget, but we did balance the unified budget, which includes the government trusts. The convention of unifying the budget began under Reagan. To understand the mechanics of how the budget was balanced, which refutes the arguments you posted, click here.

The idea that this is somehow a leftist convention - forget about how many times Newt Gingrich talked about how he balanced the budget in the primaries - click here to see Republicans saying there was a balanced budget.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I won't vote for Romney because I hate Mormons with a passion that can blot out suns.

Tell me, what do I have to show for it?

Probably an ulcer on the way and a shorter life span.

Wow, you left out the key part of the question, guy.

What do WORKING PEOPLE who've been victimized by the plutocrats for 30 years have to show for their support of the GOP?

And the answer is, not a damn thing.

Not that I love the Donkeys, I don't. But at least their hearts are in the right places.

The GOP needs to be sent to political siberia until they get it right with the working man.

Working people? Victimized?

But the American Left is NOT I repeat is NOT Neo-Marxist!

They just use the same language, think the same thought and have the exact same world view

But it's NOT Marxism...it's Progressivism

See the difference?

 

[JoeB131]

Probably an ulcer on the way and a shorter life span.

Wow, you left out the key part of the question, guy.

What do WORKING PEOPLE who've been victimized by the plutocrats for 30 years have to show for their support of the GOP?

And the answer is, not a damn thing.

Not that I love the Donkeys, I don't. But at least their hearts are in the right places.

The GOP needs to be sent to political siberia until they get it right with the working man.

Working people? Victimized?

Put the American Left is NOT I repeat is NOT Neo-MArxist!

They just use the same language, think the same thought and have the exact same world view

Yawn, people who blurt out "Marxist" have no credibility.

How is it that working people's salaries have DECLINED when adjusted for inflation since 1980, while CEO salaries have increased 600%?

Is the CEO Performance really improved that much? Or are they just taking advantage of the fact that they are in charge of the cookie jar?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And the uneducated continue to believe that the Budget Impoundment Act of 1974, which neutered the President's impact on the budget, never happened.

Congress owns the Budget but please keep talk about the President cause that's the shiny little bead

 

[Toro]

Wow, you left out the key part of the question, guy.

What do WORKING PEOPLE who've been victimized by the plutocrats for 30 years have to show for their support of the GOP?

And the answer is, not a damn thing.

Not that I love the Donkeys, I don't. But at least their hearts are in the right places.

The GOP needs to be sent to political siberia until they get it right with the working man.

Working people? Victimized?

Put the American Left is NOT I repeat is NOT Neo-MArxist!

They just use the same language, think the same thought and have the exact same world view

Yawn, people who blurt out "Marxist" have no credibility.

How is it that working people's salaries have DECLINED when adjusted for inflation since 1980, while CEO salaries have increased 600%?

Is the CEO Performance really improved that much? Or are they just taking advantage of the fact that they are in charge of the cookie jar?

Salaries adjusted for inflation for the middle and working classes have not declined since 1980. They have since 2000 but not since 1980.