where does the Crimea belong to?

[Zebra]

in your opinion?

 

[Zebra]

russia or ukraine …. or independent?

 

[Blaster]

They identify more with Russia than with Ukraine.

 

[Zebra]

They identify more with Russia than with Ukraine.

so they do …..

 

[Zebra]

it was russian …. before it was given to ukraine as a present

 

[Votto]

it was russian …. before it was given to ukraine as a present

Did they save the receipt?

Maybe they can return the damn thing.

 

[two_iron]

Have Dominion go in there and run a referendum.

It may end up belonging to Belgium.... you're never quite sure with Dominion.

 

[Magnus]

it was russian …. before it was given to ukraine as a present

Who gave Crimea to the Ukrainians?

 

[Zebra]

Who gave Crimea to the Ukrainians?

a certain president of the former soviet union

 

[Magnus]

a certain president of the former soviet union

Yeah, in 1954. In other words, Russia voluntarily gave it to Ukraine. So, how does it now belong to the Russians?

 

[martybegan]

it was russian …. before it was given to ukraine as a present

Less a present, more a moving of borders with moving of peoples as well due to the poland shift caused by the german border settlement on the Oder/Niesse line after WWII.

 

[Zebra]

Less a present, more a moving of borders with moving of peoples as well due to the poland shift caused by the german border settlement on the Oder/Niesse line after WWII.

no connection there ….

 

[martybegan]

no connection there ….

It may have happened later, but it was all part of the land shift giving Poland German land to the West, and Russia/Ukraine Polish land in the East.

 

[Zebra]

It may have happened later, but it was all part of the land shift giving Poland German land to the West, and Russia/Ukraine Polish land in the East.

sorry …. but you are mixing up things

 

[martybegan]

sorry …. but you are mixing up things

And you are thinking the transfer in 1954 happened in a vacuum. It all goes back to the movement of the borders west of Germany, Poland, and the old Soviet Union.

 

[Zebra]

And you are thinking the transfer in 1954 happened in a vacuum. It all goes back to the movement of the borders west of Germany, Poland, and the old Soviet Union.

no

 

[martybegan]

no

Why not?

This isn't absolving Russia of anything, Ukraine should keep the Crimea, but the history of all these moves goes back to the hard choice to move the borders in 1946 and move the people as well.

Eliminate the German minority issues in Eastern Europe by removing the German Minorites.

 

[Zebra]

Why not?

This isn't absolving Russia of anything, Ukraine should keep the Crimea, but the history of all these moves goes back to the hard choice to move the borders in 1946 and move the people as well.

Eliminate the German minority issues in Eastern Europe by removing the German Minorites.

please read up on it …..

 

[martybegan]

please read up on it …..

I have. I know it wasn't at the same time, but it was during the same period.

 

[Zebra]

I have. I know it wasn't at the same time, but it was during the same period.

nothing to do with Crimea