Where are the protests?

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If America wants this health care "reform" so badly, why arent people protesting these politicians to get them to pass it. Instead we see the exact opposite.

If there are protests against, and none for, why do our politicians think its such a good idea to push this through Congress?
 
there are no protests for healthcare because the good guys are in charge and its assumed healthcare will get done, the only protesting being done is by the ignorant dupes who fall for the corporate propaganda given to them by their radio show hosts and fox news, if i lived in a trailer and made $8 an hour working at walmart i would favor healthcare passing but these rubes buy everything sold to them by the right wing propaganda machine.
 
Nearly 80% of Americans have health care - and nearly 80% of those are happy with their insurance coverage.

There is no "health care crisis" - it is an oft-repeated imagining that has little to do with helping the uninsured as it does with a vast increase in the scope and power of government.

We can have reforms within health care - a clear step toward universal state-run care is not one the vast majority of Americans wish to consider.

Obama and the Dems have once again gravely miscalculated both Obama's actual influence (minimal beyond the hardcore liberals), and Americans penchant of being increasingly distrustful of the ever-growing monstrosity that is government...
 
there are no protests for healthcare because the good guys are in charge and its assumed healthcare will get done, the only protesting being done is by the ignorant dupes who fall for the corporate propaganda given to them by their radio show hosts and fox news, if i lived in a trailer and made $8 an hour working at walmart i would favor healthcare passing but these rubes buy everything sold to them by the right wing propaganda machine.

I just love it when people try so hard to sound intelligent and just end up showing how ignorant they really are!
 
If America wants this health care "reform" so badly, why arent people protesting these politicians to get them to pass it. Instead we see the exact opposite.

If there are protests against, and none for, why do our politicians think its such a good idea to push this through Congress?

There was one in our town of Bloomington, Indiana last Saturday. It appeared to be the usual crowd of sad sack loser misfits who were out there protesting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan previously. This time they were holding signs which said "We Need Healthcare." One always gets the impression from looking at them that they are taking 10 or 15 years to get a degree from IU, because they just like "hanging out" and keeping the faith. This school produced Angela DeAngelis Atwood of the SLA in the 70s, so they have a tradition to keep up.
 
there are no protests for healthcare because the good guys are in charge and its assumed healthcare will get done, the only protesting being done is by the ignorant dupes who fall for the corporate propaganda given to them by their radio show hosts and fox news, if i lived in a trailer and made $8 an hour working at walmart i would favor healthcare passing but these rubes buy everything sold to them by the right wing propaganda machine.

I just love it when people try so hard to sound intelligent and just end up showing how ignorant they really are!


yeah but people like you cant help themselves.
 
If America wants this health care "reform" so badly, why arent people protesting these politicians to get them to pass it. Instead we see the exact opposite.

If there are protests against, and none for, why do our politicians think its such a good idea to push this through Congress?

That is because only 35% of americans, according to rasmussen, want govt run health care.

Yes its true the majority of us want some kind of reform, but it is also true that the majority of us dissaprove of HR 3200 which is the current proposed health care reform bill.

Thats why there aren't many/any pro-govt health care protests.
 
Well they have jobs they have to go to. hahahahaha

I think you'll find that most of these people who are at these protests have taken off work to show up-----he.he.he. because they already get their health coverage PAID for by their employers--& do not want to eventually end up on the government plan.

Americans have finally woken up. I imagine that many of these people at these town halls actually voted for Barack Obama & are truly regretting it today.

They also realise that our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT couldn't operate a LEMONAID STAND & keep it from going broke. They have shown us that time & time again. They screw everything UP.

Social Security/Medicare & their most recently created disaster--Fannie/Freddie in which they decided to co-sign OUR names to 50% of the mortgages in this country, WHICH IS GROUND ZERO FOR OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.

Currently our Federal Government has absolutely no track record what-so-ever of doing anything RIGHT. And that's what is scary because their current plan is to TAKE-OVER 7% of this economy which represents health care.

So maybe you can get a little laugh out of those FACTS.
 
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there are no protests for healthcare because the good guys are in charge and its assumed healthcare will get done, the only protesting being done is by the ignorant dupes who fall for the corporate propaganda given to them by their radio show hosts and fox news, if i lived in a trailer and made $8 an hour working at walmart i would favor healthcare passing but these rubes buy everything sold to them by the right wing propaganda machine.

Have you read any part of the proposed legislation?

On page 16 of the House bill: private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option.

On page 29 of the House bill, it is admitted that our health care will be rationed.

On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.

Page 58, every person will be issued a national ID health card.

Page 59 the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay.

On page 72, all private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange. Any individual who doesn't have acceptable health care defined by the government will be taxed two-and-a-half percent of their income each year.

Officers and employees of government health care bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records, page 195.

Page 203, the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax.

You oughta do yourself a favor and find a tall oak tree and put that noose to some use.
 
there are no protests for healthcare because the good guys are in charge and its assumed healthcare will get done, the only protesting being done is by the ignorant dupes who fall for the corporate propaganda given to them by their radio show hosts and fox news, if i lived in a trailer and made $8 an hour working at walmart i would favor healthcare passing but these rubes buy everything sold to them by the right wing propaganda machine.

Have you read any part of the proposed legislation?

On page 16 of the House bill: private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option.

On page 29 of the House bill, it is admitted that our health care will be rationed.

On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.

Page 58, every person will be issued a national ID health card.

Page 59 the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay.

On page 72, all private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange. Any individual who doesn't have acceptable health care defined by the government will be taxed two-and-a-half percent of their income each year.

Officers and employees of government health care bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records, page 195.

Page 203, the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax.

You oughta do yourself a favor and find a tall oak tree and put that noose to some use.

perhaps you should read it instead of letting some right wing whacko interpret it for you:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
 
If America wants this health care "reform" so badly, why arent people protesting these politicians to get them to pass it. Instead we see the exact opposite.

If there are protests against, and none for, why do our politicians think its such a good idea to push this through Congress?

That is because only 35% of americans, according to rasmussen, want govt run health care.

Yes its true the majority of us want some kind of reform, but it is also true that the majority of us dissaprove of HR 3200 which is the current proposed health care reform bill.

Thats why there aren't many/any pro-govt health care protests.

As usual, Rasmussen does NOT represent what ALL the other polls do--here:

Health Policy
 
there are no protests for healthcare because the good guys are in charge and its assumed healthcare will get done, the only protesting being done is by the ignorant dupes who fall for the corporate propaganda given to them by their radio show hosts and fox news, if i lived in a trailer and made $8 an hour working at walmart i would favor healthcare passing but these rubes buy everything sold to them by the right wing propaganda machine.

Have you read any part of the proposed legislation?

On page 16 of the House bill: private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option.

On page 29 of the House bill, it is admitted that our health care will be rationed.

On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.

Page 58, every person will be issued a national ID health card.

Page 59 the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay.

On page 72, all private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange. Any individual who doesn't have acceptable health care defined by the government will be taxed two-and-a-half percent of their income each year.

Officers and employees of government health care bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records, page 195.

Page 203, the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax.

You oughta do yourself a favor and find a tall oak tree and put that noose to some use.

perhaps you should read it instead of letting some right wing whacko interpret it for you:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

I have read it and if you've read it (which I doubt) and you still have no problem with it then you are as stupid as your cartoon avatar.
 
there are no protests for healthcare because the good guys are in charge and its assumed healthcare will get done, the only protesting being done is by the ignorant dupes who fall for the corporate propaganda given to them by their radio show hosts and fox news, if i lived in a trailer and made $8 an hour working at walmart i would favor healthcare passing but these rubes buy everything sold to them by the right wing propaganda machine.

Have you read any part of the proposed legislation?

On page 16 of the House bill: private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option.

On page 29 of the House bill, it is admitted that our health care will be rationed.

On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.

Page 58, every person will be issued a national ID health card.

Page 59 the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay.

On page 72, all private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange. Any individual who doesn't have acceptable health care defined by the government will be taxed two-and-a-half percent of their income each year.

Officers and employees of government health care bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records, page 195.

Page 203, the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax.

You oughta do yourself a favor and find a tall oak tree and put that noose to some use.

perhaps you should read it instead of letting some right wing whacko interpret it for you:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf


I have read this--notably--there is NO nitty gritty DETAILS in this proposal.

Like how much is this going to COST & exactly WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT!

It certainly does not represent the 1017 PAGE bill that our supreme--most intelligent--articulate--leader--or any of our elected representative HAVE STILL NOT READ.

Your link is simply a proposal on what they want to do.:clap2:

Nice try though.
 
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there are no protests for healthcare because the good guys are in charge and its assumed healthcare will get done, the only protesting being done is by the ignorant dupes who fall for the corporate propaganda given to them by their radio show hosts and fox news, if i lived in a trailer and made $8 an hour working at walmart i would favor healthcare passing but these rubes buy everything sold to them by the right wing propaganda machine.

Have you read any part of the proposed legislation?

On page 16 of the House bill: private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option.

On page 29 of the House bill, it is admitted that our health care will be rationed.

On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.

Page 58, every person will be issued a national ID health card.

Page 59 the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay.

On page 72, all private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange. Any individual who doesn't have acceptable health care defined by the government will be taxed two-and-a-half percent of their income each year.

Officers and employees of government health care bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records, page 195.

Page 203, the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax.

You oughta do yourself a favor and find a tall oak tree and put that noose to some use.

All of those you itemize, and more, have been thoroughly debunked.


• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! False: Section 113 of the bill requires the Health Choices commissioner to conduct a study to make sure health reform does not unintentionally create incentives for businesses to self-insure or create adverse selection in the risk pools of insured plans. There is no mandated audit.

• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! False: Section 122 outlines broad categories of benefits that must be included in an essential benefits package. It prohibits cost-sharing for preventive care and limits annual out-of-pocket spending to $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family, indexed for inflation. It says nothing about rationing or limiting treatment.

• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) Barely True: Section 123 establishes a Health Benefits Advisory Committee that makes recommendations on what types of health insurance coverage will be defined as basic, enhanced or premium. The committee will be chaired by the surgeon general, with members appointed by the president, the comptroller general, and representatives of federal agencies. This committee makes recommendations on insurance regulations, so in that sense it does set standards for benefits. But it does not make decisions about treatments for individuals.

• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. Pants on Fire!: Section 142 outlines the duties of the Health Choices commissioner, who is charged with regulating insurers. The commissioner should seek insurers to offer different types of insurance, including basic, enhanced and premium. Individuals will be able to choose among competing insurers who are regulated via the exchange.

• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services. Pants on Fire! Section 152 includes a generic nondiscrimination clause, which says insurers may not discriminate with regard to "personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." It says nothing about "non-US citizens" or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that undocumented aliens will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.

• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. It says one goal should be real-time confirmation of which services a person qualifies for and how much they will have to pay. That could be achieved by machine-readable beneficiary cards, according to the legislative language. But the legislation does not require the cards.

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.

• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) . Pants on Fire! Section 164 creates a temporary reinsurance program to help employers or employee associations pay for coverage for workers ages 55 to 64. It does not mention labor unions or community organizer groups, though presumably they could qualify for subsidies like any other employee association that previously offered health insurance. The section's point, however, is to offer subsidies to employer-based insurance programs, not unions or community organizers.

• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. True. Private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in the exchange, and this page begins an explanation of exchange rules. However, the requirement that insurance companies must conform to is also presented much earlier in the bill. We spotted an earlier reference on page 15, Section 101.

• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) . Mostly True. Section 203 sets rules saying that plans must offer basic plans before they can offer plans with extra benefits. These extra benefits are defined as enhanced plans and premium plans. (The unstated assumption here is that enhanced and premium plans will be more profitable for the insurance companies.) But this isn't the page number that requires health plans to participate in the exchange. Technically speaking, private insurance plans are not required to participate. Rather, only insurance sold on the exchange will satisfy the mandate that people have health insurance. In effect, private health plans that want to sell to individuals will have to sell through the exchange, under the terms of the bill.

• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens. Half True. Section 204 outlines more regulations for health insurance plans in the exchange. One of the requirements is that they provide "culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services." Another part of the bill mentions that this includes "effective methods for communicating in plain language." There is no mention of citizenship status.

• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. False. Section 205 says the Health Choices commissioner is charged with publicizing the options on the health care exchange. The legislation says the commissioner "may work with other appropriate entities to facilitate the dissemination of information." The bill does not mention ACORN or Americorps. The bill also says that the commissioner must publicize the "Exchange-participating health benefits plan options," which would include private insurance plans.

• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. False. This page describes people who would qualify for Medicaid, a government insurance program for people with very low incomes. It says that individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid only if they have "not elected to enroll in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan." So the auto-enrollment only happens if they have not chosen another plan.

• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. Barely True. Section 223 discusses how the government will pay doctors under the public option health insurance; they will pay 5 percent more than Medicare pays. It's true that this section does not set out any sort of judicial review, but it specifically states that health care providers do not have to accept patients under the public option. The bill also says that the Health Choices commissioner has the authority "to correct for payments that are excessive or deficient," taking into account "amounts paid for similar health care providers and services under other Exchange-participating health benefits plans." There may be a broader case to be made that the government can outcompete private insurers through the public option, but this section of the plan doesn't have to do with lawsuits or judicial review.

• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. Barely True. Section 225 discusses payments for physicians who choose to accept the public option insurance. Again, there may be a broader case to be made that the government can outcompete private insurers through the public option, but this section of the plan only applies to payments to doctors for patients who are part of the public option. The government does not set wages for doctors because doctors are free to decline to see the patients.

PolitiFact | E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up

Health Care Nostrums | The FactCheck Wire
 
Have you read any part of the proposed legislation?

On page 16 of the House bill: private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option.

On page 29 of the House bill, it is admitted that our health care will be rationed.

On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.

Page 58, every person will be issued a national ID health card.

Page 59 the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay.

On page 72, all private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange. Any individual who doesn't have acceptable health care defined by the government will be taxed two-and-a-half percent of their income each year.

Officers and employees of government health care bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records, page 195.

Page 203, the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax.

You oughta do yourself a favor and find a tall oak tree and put that noose to some use.

perhaps you should read it instead of letting some right wing whacko interpret it for you:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf


I have read this--notably--there is NO nitty gritty DETAILS in this proposal.

Like how much is this going to COST & exactly WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT!

Your link is simply a proposal on what they want to do.:clap2:

Nice try though.

I actually agree with you. It is such a huge undertaking that it naturally invites controversy, and a subject that clearly not one that Americans are willing even now to come to terms with. Arguing over the plethora of details in all the proposals is therefore a big fat waste of time anymore. The ONLY argument to be made is that the cost projections based on assumptions make it just too risky to do now, in light of the current economic situation. I wish Obama would simply come out and say, when Congress returns and he will have everyone's ear, that he tried and failed.

Then move on to other pressing issues.
 
Have you read any part of the proposed legislation?

On page 16 of the House bill: private insurance will become illegal. Insurance companies cannot write new policies, people will lose their existing policy if they change jobs, if they change coverage, or if they change prices. Once any aspect of your private health insurance changes after this bill goes into effect, you can't renew it. You have to go public option.

On page 29 of the House bill, it is admitted that our health care will be rationed.

On page 42, the health choices commissioner will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.

Page 58, every person will be issued a national ID health card.

Page 59 the federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer to pay.

On page 72, all private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange. Any individual who doesn't have acceptable health care defined by the government will be taxed two-and-a-half percent of their income each year.

Officers and employees of government health care bureaucracy will have access to all American financial and personal records, page 195.

Page 203, the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax.

You oughta do yourself a favor and find a tall oak tree and put that noose to some use.

perhaps you should read it instead of letting some right wing whacko interpret it for you:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

I have read it and if you've read it (which I doubt) and you still have no problem with it then you are as stupid as your cartoon avatar.

ironic coming from somebody from texas.
 

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