Zone1 When was the Israelite exodus out of Egypt?

[Votto]

It appears that the exodus out of Egypt was much earlier than what was once thought.

 

[Rigby5]

We know exactly when the Hebrew left Egypt.
It was around 1250 BC.
But they did not invade the Land of Canaan and start massacring women and children until around 1000 BC.

And by the way, there was no "exodus" or parting of the Red Sea.
The Egyptians did not have or use slaves.

The guy is all wrong.
Israel was never more than one small city or village.
It did not take long at all for the Hebrew leaving Egypt to make a village, call it Israel, and get beaten by the Egyptians.
Why do you think the Hebrew eventually left the Sinai and attacked the Land of Canaan?
It was to get further aways from the Egyptians.

In fact, the Canaanites were the only people the Hebrew ever beat.
We know for a fact the Hebrew were beaten by the Assyrians, Hittites, Mitanni, Babylonians, Greeks, Seleucids, and Romans.
The Hebrew essentially have not a single page in world history, and are only relevant in a fake book the Byzantine Empire wrote for them in around 400 AD.

And I say that as someone who is Jewish.
The history of Israel is almost entirely fake.

 

[shockedcanadian]

We know exactly when the Hebrew left Egypt.
It was around 1250 BC.
But they did not invade the Land of Canaan and start massacring women and children until around 1000 BC.

And by the way, there was no "exodus" or parting of the Red Sea.
The Egyptians did not have or use slaves.

The guy is all wrong.
Israel was never more than one small city or village.
It did not take long at all for the Hebrew leaving Egypt to make a village, call it Israel, and get beaten by the Egyptians.
Why do you think the Hebrew eventually left the Sinai and attacked the Land of Canaan?
It was to get further aways from the Egyptians.

In fact, the Canaanites were the only people the Hebrew ever beat.
We know for a fact the Hebrew were beaten by the Assyrians, Hittites, Mitanni, Babylonians, Greeks, Seleucids, and Romans.
The Hebrew essentially have not a single page in world history, and are only relevant in a fake book the Byzantine Empire wrote for them in around 400 AD.

And IBl say that as someone who is Jewish.
The history of Israel is almost entirely fake.

Bold statrments of history. Do you have any supporting sources? The Book of Exodus is the source I submit.

 

[Foxfyre]

It appears that the exodus out of Egypt was much earlier than what was once thought.

Most Bible scholars admit the timing of the exodus from Egypt is not certain, but there is historical records suggesting it was 890 years before the first destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians in 421 B.C. That would put the date of the exodus around 1300 to 1315 B.C. or so.

Egyptian history itself is silent on the exodus which causes some to believe it never happened. But due to fire, flood, other calamities--ancient Egypt was plagued with earthquakes and volcanic activity--there are gaps in the Egyptian historical record. And writing itself was restricted to symbols/hieroglyphics until a crude alphabet was developed I think 13th century which would be after the exodus.

And certainly the vanity of the Pharaoh who let the Hebrews leave would not have wanted that event records on his track record. In the movie "The Ten Commandments", Cecil B. DeMille creatively illustrated that when he had a betrayed Pharaoh Sethi I order the name of Moses to be stricken from every place in Egypt.

Bottom line is we don't know the exact date and it probably isn't important to know but it is interesting enough to be kicked around in theory by many.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Hebrew essentially have not a single page in world history, and are only relevant in a fake book the Byzantine Empire wrote for them in around 400 AD

Who is this 400 AD writer of the most widely bought book in history, who prophesied 2000 years into the future? More importantly, how on earth did those 400 AD prognosticators embed a computer code? And before you go to the, "monkey text" explanation, that has been put to rest years ago. The code is authentic.

 

[Votto]

Most Bible scholars admit the timing of the exodus from Egypt is not certain, but there is historical records suggesting it was 890 years before the first destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians in 421 B.C. That would put the date of the exodus around 1300 to 1315 B.C. or so.

Egyptian history itself is silent on the exodus which causes some to believe it never happened. But due to fire, flood, other calamities--ancient Egypt was plagued with earthquakes and volcanic activity--there are gaps in the Egyptian historical record. And writing itself was restricted to symbols/hieroglyphics until a crude alphabet was developed I think 13th century which would be after the exodus.

And certainly the vanity of the Pharaoh who let the Hebrews leave would not have wanted that event records on his track record. In the movie "The Ten Commandments", Cecil B. DeMille creatively illustrated that when he had a betrayed Pharaoh Sethi I order the name of Moses to be stricken from every place in Egypt.

Bottom line is we don't know the exact date and it probably isn't important to know but it is interesting enough to be kicked around in theory by many.

The absence of Egyptian historical records regarding the exodus is not a problem since Egypt was famous for sugar coating historical documentation to make the Pharoah look good. For example, there is one historical record where a Pharoah went to war abroad and was defeated, but their historical record described it as a victory. Of course, the historical record from the other side recorded it accurately.

LOL.

Also, Egyptians have been caught trying to destroy all historical records of an unpopular Pharaoh, so they do not have a very good record when it comes to historical veracity.

That is what make the Hebrew records superior as they record the good, the bad, and the ugly regarding their own Patriarchs.

 

[Votto]

We know exactly when the Hebrew left Egypt.
It was around 1250 BC.
But they did not invade the Land of Canaan and start massacring women and children until around 1000 BC.

And by the way, there was no "exodus" or parting of the Red Sea.
The Egyptians did not have or use slaves.

The guy is all wrong.
Israel was never more than one small city or village.
It did not take long at all for the Hebrew leaving Egypt to make a village, call it Israel, and get beaten by the Egyptians.
Why do you think the Hebrew eventually left the Sinai and attacked the Land of Canaan?
It was to get further aways from the Egyptians.

In fact, the Canaanites were the only people the Hebrew ever beat.
We know for a fact the Hebrew were beaten by the Assyrians, Hittites, Mitanni, Babylonians, Greeks, Seleucids, and Romans.
The Hebrew essentially have not a single page in world history, and are only relevant in a fake book the Byzantine Empire wrote for them in around 400 AD.

And I say that as someone who is Jewish.
The history of Israel is almost entirely fake.

How do you explain the above then? Are you suggesting that the historical object is a fake?

 

[Votto]

This is a good movie that suggests that evidence exists for a much earlier Exodus that was commonly believed.

 

[Votto]

From wiki:

Just some historical guesses as to the real time of the exodus

• Pepi I (24th–23rd century BC): Emmanuel Anati has argued that the Exodus should be placed between the 24th and the 21st century BC and that Pepi I should be identified as the pharaoh of the Exodus.[11] This theory has not gained acceptance and has received strong criticism from Israeli archaeologist Israel Finkelstein and American Egyptologist James K. Hoffmeier.[12][13]
• Dedumose II (died c. 1690 BC): David Rohl's 1995 A Test of Time revised Egyptian history by shortening the Third Intermediate Period of Egypt by almost 300 years. As a result, the synchronisms with the biblical narrative results in the Second Intermediate Period King Dedumose II the pharaoh of the Exodus.[14] Rohl's revision has been turned down by the vast majority of Egyptologists.[15]
• Ahmose I (1550–1525 BC): Several church fathers identified Ahmose I, who reconquered lower Egypt from the Hyksos, rulers of Asiatic (Semitic) origin, as the pharaoh of the Exodus, based on Herodotus, Manetho, Josephus and other classical authors' identification of the Hyksos with the Hebrews.[16]
• Hatshepsut (1507–1458 BC). Diodorus Siculus identified the Jews with the Hyksos and identified the pharaoh of the Exodus with Queen Hatshepsut.[17]
• Thutmose II (1493–1479 BC). Alfred Edersheim proposes in Old Testament Bible History that Thutmose II is best qualified to be the pharaoh of Exodus based on the fact that he had a brief, prosperous reign and then a sudden collapse with no legitimate son to succeed him. His widow Hatshepsut then became first regent (for Thutmose III, his son by his concubine Iset) before becoming pharaoh herself. Edersheim states that Thutmose II is the only pharaoh's mummy to display cysts, possible evidence of plagues that spread through the Egyptian and Hittite Empires at that time.[18]
• Amenhotep II (ca. 1455–1418 BC) claimed to have brought tens of thousands of slaves from the Levant to Egypt which could be an explanation for the existence of the Israelites in Egypt.[19][20]
• Akhenaten (1353–1349 BC). In his book Moses and Monotheism, Sigmund Freud argued that Moses had been an Atenist priest of Akhenaten who was forced to leave Egypt, along with his followers, following the pharaoh's death. Eusebius identified the pharaoh of the Exodus with a king called "Acencheres", who may be identified with Akenhaten.[21]
• Ramesses I (1292–1290 BC): Ahmed Osman identified Ramesses I as the pharaoh of the Exodus in his controversial argument about the identity of the Egyptian official Yuya.[22]
• Ramesses II (c. 1279–1213 BC): Ramesses II, or Ramesses the Great, is the most common figure for the Exodus pharaoh as Rameses is mentioned in the Bible as a place name (see Genesis 47:11, Exodus 1:11, Numbers 33:3, etc) and because of other lines of contextual evidence.[23] As such, he is often the pharaoh depicted in popular culture narratives of the event (such as the 1956 film The Ten Commandments and the 1998 animated film The Prince of Egypt). Although Ramesses II's late 13th century BC stela in Beth Shan mentions two conquered peoples who came to "make obeisance to him" in his city of Raameses or Pi-Ramesses, the text mentions neither the building of the city nor, as some have written, the Israelites or Hapiru.[24]
• Merneptah (c. 1213–1203 BC): Isaac Asimov in Guide to the Bible makes a case for Merneptah to be the pharaoh of the Exodus.[25]
• Setnakhte (c. 1189–1186 BC): Igor P. Lipovsky and Israel Knohl make a case for Setnakhte to be the pharaoh of the Exodus.[26][27]
• Ramesses III (c. 1186–1155 BC): Gary A. Rendsburg, Baruch Halpern and Manfred Bietak make a case for Ramesses III as the pharaoh of the Exodus.[28][29][30]
• Bakenranef (c. 725–720 BC): Tacitus writes in his Histories that Bakenranef (whom he refers to as "Bocchoris") had expelled the Jews from Egypt because they suffered from a horrible disease and because he was instructed to do so by an oracle of the god Amun.[31] Lysimachus of Alexandria, quoted by Josephus in Against Apion, also identifies the pharaoh of the Exodus with Bakenranef.[32]
• Ramses (?–?). Manetho and Chaeremon of Alexandria, both quoted by Josephus in Against Apion, state that the Jews were expelled from Egypt by a pharaoh named "Ramses", son of another pharaoh named "Amenophis". It is unclear which pharaoh this could be, since no pharaoh named Ramses had a predecessor named Amenophis.[32]

 

[Foxfyre]

The absence of Egyptian historical records regarding the exodus is not a problem since Egypt was famous for sugar coating historical documentation to make the Pharoah look good. For example, there is one historical record where a Pharoah went to war abroad and was defeated, but their historical record described it as a victory. Of course, the historical record from the other side recorded it accurately.

LOL.

Also, Egyptians have been caught trying to destroy all historical records of an unpopular Pharaoh, so they do not have a very good record when it comes to historical veracity.

That is what make the Hebrew records superior as they record the good, the bad, and the ugly regarding their own Patriarchs.

I think that is a fair and reasonable observation.

 

[Leo Sails]

The evidence - that the Hebrews had journeyed from Egypt to Canaan has never been found.

But there is no evidence that disproves these Biblical claims.

This is why that all of this early " unproven history “ UNVERIFIABLE HISTORY "

The evidence shows that the Canaanites and Romans and Muslims are very violent people, very barbaric and even today the Italians and Muslims are still joining up with people like Adolf Hitler and still - butchering their neighbors. - Still trying to destroy other CIVILIZATIONS. STILL WORKING TO EXTERMINATE THE HEBREW PEOPLE....

with WW 2 - we witnessed the union of the MUSLIMS, ITALIANS, and GERMANS working together to exterminate the Hebrew Race ! -

this is something new ?

- of course, they are going to be destroying the evidence of the existence of the people that they have hated for thousands of years.

Mighty nations began to attack the Hebrews and steal their treasures, gold and wealth and eventually soon thereafter took them into captivity. The pagan nations around Israel simply did not record history to entail and describe their success, trade, business and financial involvement with Israel. / Solomon -

Their history and recorded accounts of the details were rewritten by the dominant Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonians and Persians, and later the Romans and then Roman Catholics and then the Muslims.

They even changed the name of Israel to be called Palestine. Adolf Hitler - reunited these forces again - in another attempt.

Why would these series of reigning kingdoms and dominating governments write the History of the Hebrews in any accurate accountability . ? -

They even changed the names of the Hebrew prisoners and gave them new names. Have You ever noticed that Daniel was given a New Name while a prisoner in Babylon ? - -

- Daniels new name was Belteshazzar.

- Hebrew 1095 בּלטשׁאצּר bêlṭesha'tstsar / bale-tesh-ats-tsar'. - Baal Tesha Tzar /; Cesar


Notice the ending on the name is - Tsar or Cesar. -

They wanted Daniel to serve with the Monks or Enochs in Baal Worship. So they NAMED Daniel The Name - BAAL Tesh CESAR.

They kidnapped the Hebrews and forced them to change their very names into pagan names that represented their Pagan ideas and Pagan gods. and they were expected to rewrite their own identity and history and their very names - as Daniel was forced to serve as - a technical - technician / assistant - in Baal Worship. - = Tech / Tesh to BAAL

Tech / Tesh to BAAL

= BAAL / Tesh / Tech / CESAR / Tsar... Belteshazzar. –

The Bible - says here in Dan 4:8 - that Daniels name was re-recorded and erased and changed to represent the name of the god of Babylon............ Dan 4:7 Then came in the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers: and I told the dream before them; but they did not make known unto me the interpretation thereof. :8 But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god,........ If they are changing people’s names, stealing their identity, their goods, treasures, gold and religious articles and forcing them to convert and worship their gods and unite with their government – what leads You to believe that the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonians and Persians, and later the Romans who all tried repeatedly to erase continually erase and destroy the Hebrew identity and history - why would they accurately / honestly leave a historical record about any history of these things.

The Roman Catholic Church did not produce a Bible Translation into Latin / Italian until nearly 500 years after Christ - and then - The Catholic Church did not produce a bible into any other language on the entire planet into any other language other than that Latin / Italian - until nearly 2000 years after Yahoshua.

Just 70 years ago - The " Arabs " and their northern Canaanite relatives " the Italian " joined up with Adolf Hitler,,, and began another attempt to destroy all evidence of the History of the Hebrew race.

If we look at the evidence we see the basic facts.

And God has proven - to gather His chosen people back to Israel - time and time again - Every single last time. It has never failed.

UNVERIFIABLE HISTORY is the only subject that destroys in the face of repeating history
if history continues to repeat it is because it is a repeating history