When medication is too expensive to save you.

odanny

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Are we there yet? When a drug is proprietary, and you can charge whatever the hell you want for it, then yes, it's too expensive for you. Our hearts go out to your family.



Two weeks ago, I received a FedEx package containing my new prescription. It was ordered from a university hospital pharmacy 70 miles away, because these are pills that a corner drugstore cannot dispense. The price tag = $17,172.

Let that number sink in for a moment. A one month's supply of this drug surpasses the price of most used cars, a semester of college or a year's rent on an apartment. Did I pay that much? Well, of course not. It was covered under my Medicare insurance.. or the company that carries my Medicare advantage HMO plan. Honestly, I don't know even how that works anymore or who pays for what.

Getting their approval for this drug took almost 6 weeks. I’m sure there’s a secret motive behind that delay. They’re probably hoping some patients will croak before they have to fork over for the prescription. Even though I did not pay for it, somebody did. Taxpayers paid for it. You paid for it.

As outrageous as a $613 dose of medicine sounds, it’s far from being the most expensive medication on the market. There are next-generation injectables, gene therapy and IV infusions that make $17K seem like a pittance. The most expensive medication is a cancer drug that costs about $1 million per year. But these are tablets-- a mere pill.

Never one to underestimate the unrestrained greed of the pharmaceutical companies, I wanted to know if this prescription was significantly cheaper in Canada or in Mexico. Americans can often find out just how bad we’re getting reamed by Big Pharma by checking international drug prices. Surprisingly, I learned that in Canada, a one month course of this medicine is about the same: $22,000C ($16K USD). The total in Mexico is also comparable to the US price, but the drug isn’t a commonly available south of the border. So it seems the drug maker has a global monopoly and can charge whatever they please. And it obviously pleases them to price gouge patients to the maximum allowable extent.

How can they possibly justify this? Well, there are two glaring motives. One is the drug may be a proprietary original and the price reflects all the expensive research that went into making it. It’s one of only a handful of medications which effectively treat hepatitis C, so they’ve effectively cornered the market. Secondly, patients only need these drugs for 2-3 months. After a patient takes the 60 to 90 day course of these pills, they’re cured. They don’t need the pills anymore. Which means the pharmaceutical company is out make as much money as possible off patients in that short span of time. I imagine in a secluded, Big Pharma conference room somewhere, a group of accountants hashed out the value of a hep C cure versus the medical costs & suffering that patient would endure over the next year if left untreated. And the figure they came up with was approximately $35,000.

Numbers like that leave me wondering about more than the high cost of healthcare. It makes me wonder about the value of a human life. This fact evoked memories of all the times I’ve had to have pets euthanized, because I couldn’t afford their veterinary treatment. And it makes me wonder if we've reached the same point with human beings.


 
The taxpayer (you) pay the 17,000 bill and big pharma has diverted the blame away from them. It's the American system!
 
Are we there yet? When a drug is proprietary, and you can charge whatever the hell you want for it, then yes, it's too expensive for you. Our hearts go out to your family.



Two weeks ago, I received a FedEx package containing my new prescription. It was ordered from a university hospital pharmacy 70 miles away, because these are pills that a corner drugstore cannot dispense. The price tag = $17,172.

Let that number sink in for a moment. A one month's supply of this drug surpasses the price of most used cars, a semester of college or a year's rent on an apartment. Did I pay that much? Well, of course not. It was covered under my Medicare insurance.. or the company that carries my Medicare advantage HMO plan. Honestly, I don't know even how that works anymore or who pays for what.

Getting their approval for this drug took almost 6 weeks. I’m sure there’s a secret motive behind that delay. They’re probably hoping some patients will croak before they have to fork over for the prescription. Even though I did not pay for it, somebody did. Taxpayers paid for it. You paid for it.

As outrageous as a $613 dose of medicine sounds, it’s far from being the most expensive medication on the market. There are next-generation injectables, gene therapy and IV infusions that make $17K seem like a pittance. The most expensive medication is a cancer drug that costs about $1 million per year. But these are tablets-- a mere pill.

Never one to underestimate the unrestrained greed of the pharmaceutical companies, I wanted to know if this prescription was significantly cheaper in Canada or in Mexico. Americans can often find out just how bad we’re getting reamed by Big Pharma by checking international drug prices. Surprisingly, I learned that in Canada, a one month course of this medicine is about the same: $22,000C ($16K USD). The total in Mexico is also comparable to the US price, but the drug isn’t a commonly available south of the border. So it seems the drug maker has a global monopoly and can charge whatever they please. And it obviously pleases them to price gouge patients to the maximum allowable extent.

How can they possibly justify this? Well, there are two glaring motives. One is the drug may be a proprietary original and the price reflects all the expensive research that went into making it. It’s one of only a handful of medications which effectively treat hepatitis C, so they’ve effectively cornered the market. Secondly, patients only need these drugs for 2-3 months. After a patient takes the 60 to 90 day course of these pills, they’re cured. They don’t need the pills anymore. Which means the pharmaceutical company is out make as much money as possible off patients in that short span of time. I imagine in a secluded, Big Pharma conference room somewhere, a group of accountants hashed out the value of a hep C cure versus the medical costs & suffering that patient would endure over the next year if left untreated. And the figure they came up with was approximately $35,000.

Numbers like that leave me wondering about more than the high cost of healthcare. It makes me wonder about the value of a human life. This fact evoked memories of all the times I’ve had to have pets euthanized, because I couldn’t afford their veterinary treatment. And it makes me wonder if we've reached the same point with human beings.



FACT SHEET: President Biden Takes Action to Lower Health Care and Prescription Drug Costs for Americans​





Biden wants to make sure Medicare lasts the next 25 years by raising taxes on people making over $400,000 and pushing on big pharma to lower drug prices​

 



Biden wants to make sure Medicare lasts the next 25 years by raising taxes on people making over $400,000 and pushing on big pharma to lower drug prices​

That's not popular with working class Americans of the political right!l

From a Canadian's POV at least. It can only be because their heads have been shrunk??
 
If you don't want to deal with the "unrestrained greed" of the pharmaceutical companies you don't have to.
 
If you don't want to deal with the "unrestrained greed" of the pharmaceutical companies you don't have to.
Greed is always present as a human trait. The American system has given big pharma the 'unrestrained license'.

And the political right understand that big pharma's money is OPM.

Remortgage your house, sell your car, sell your wives into prostitution? Rob a bank? Move away to another country? Whatever works?
 
That's not popular with working class Americans of the political right!l

From a Canadian's POV at least. It can only be because their heads have been shrunk??
Which illustrates who really is the party for the rich. Republicans.

My nephew is a Republican. He doesn't want Canada's healthcare system but he recognizes Switzerland's healthcare is better than the USA's.
 
Greed is always present as a human trait. The American system has given big pharma the 'unrestrained license'.

And the political right understand that big pharma's money is OPM.

Remortgage your house, sell your car, sell your wives into prostitution? Rob a bank? Move away to another country? Whatever works?
I'm all for rooting out whatever collusion and corruption is going on. But the idea that we can mandate that medications be "affordable" is silly. That just means expensive medications won't be developed. Even if your socialist wet dream happens, and government is running it all - they'll still have to make these value decisions. Will they deplete the state budget to produce medication for a handful of people? Probably not. So, in many cases, the medications will go from "prohibitively expensive" to "not there".
 
So, in many cases, the medications will go from "prohibitively expensive" to "not there".
What would a Canadian duck know? You must be right!

Why is it that the rest of the world's modern countries continue to refuse to understand that big pharm will just stop making the drugs that are needed.

This calls for America to place embargoes on the rest of the world exporting drugs to America until the leftists start to understand!

You can't tell em nuthin!!
 
Are we there yet? When a drug is proprietary, and you can charge whatever the hell you want for it, then yes, it's too expensive for you. Our hearts go out to your family.



Two weeks ago, I received a FedEx package containing my new prescription. It was ordered from a university hospital pharmacy 70 miles away, because these are pills that a corner drugstore cannot dispense. The price tag = $17,172.

Let that number sink in for a moment. A one month's supply of this drug surpasses the price of most used cars, a semester of college or a year's rent on an apartment. Did I pay that much? Well, of course not. It was covered under my Medicare insurance.. or the company that carries my Medicare advantage HMO plan. Honestly, I don't know even how that works anymore or who pays for what.

Getting their approval for this drug took almost 6 weeks. I’m sure there’s a secret motive behind that delay. They’re probably hoping some patients will croak before they have to fork over for the prescription. Even though I did not pay for it, somebody did. Taxpayers paid for it. You paid for it.

As outrageous as a $613 dose of medicine sounds, it’s far from being the most expensive medication on the market. There are next-generation injectables, gene therapy and IV infusions that make $17K seem like a pittance. The most expensive medication is a cancer drug that costs about $1 million per year. But these are tablets-- a mere pill.

Never one to underestimate the unrestrained greed of the pharmaceutical companies, I wanted to know if this prescription was significantly cheaper in Canada or in Mexico. Americans can often find out just how bad we’re getting reamed by Big Pharma by checking international drug prices. Surprisingly, I learned that in Canada, a one month course of this medicine is about the same: $22,000C ($16K USD). The total in Mexico is also comparable to the US price, but the drug isn’t a commonly available south of the border. So it seems the drug maker has a global monopoly and can charge whatever they please. And it obviously pleases them to price gouge patients to the maximum allowable extent.

How can they possibly justify this? Well, there are two glaring motives. One is the drug may be a proprietary original and the price reflects all the expensive research that went into making it. It’s one of only a handful of medications which effectively treat hepatitis C, so they’ve effectively cornered the market. Secondly, patients only need these drugs for 2-3 months. After a patient takes the 60 to 90 day course of these pills, they’re cured. They don’t need the pills anymore. Which means the pharmaceutical company is out make as much money as possible off patients in that short span of time. I imagine in a secluded, Big Pharma conference room somewhere, a group of accountants hashed out the value of a hep C cure versus the medical costs & suffering that patient would endure over the next year if left untreated. And the figure they came up with was approximately $35,000.

Numbers like that leave me wondering about more than the high cost of healthcare. It makes me wonder about the value of a human life. This fact evoked memories of all the times I’ve had to have pets euthanized, because I couldn’t afford their veterinary treatment. And it makes me wonder if we've reached the same point with human beings.



Why would Pfizer or any other company spend hundreds of millions of dollars to invent any new product, from smartphones to new life-saving/extending drugs, new procedures, and new technology if they couldn't make a profit?

When big, flat-screen TVs first came out, they were priced $25,000 to $30,000. Did you buy one? Neither did I. Now you can find many for under $1,000.

What other country, or group of countries has invented more life-saving/extending/improving drugs, procedures, or technology in say that last 75 years?
 
Why would Pfizer or any other company spend hundreds of millions of dollars to invent any new product, from smartphones to new life-saving/extending drugs, new procedures, and new technology if they couldn't make a profit?
I knew that was coming.
 
Which illustrates who really is the party for the rich. Republicans.

My nephew is a Republican. He doesn't want Canada's healthcare system but he recognizes Switzerland's healthcare is better than the USA's.
Canada's healthcare system is in shambles. Switzerland's healthcare isn't better, it's just different.
 
And the political right understand that big pharma's money is OPM.
Which party MANDATED that the entire population take numerous experimental jabs? Which party mandated that people take the jab or get fired from their lifelong careers? Which party set millions of kids back at least a year and caused those same kids incalculable mental problems that will last for decades?

President Trump made the vaccine possible in record time. President Biden and Dr. Fauci forced on the world.

I agree with dblack. Root out corruption and fraud. But drug companies gamble billions on say a dozen drugs for various purposes. Out of that dozen, maybe one will prove effective and safe. Who is going to pay for those other eleven?
 
I knew that was coming.
So you're proud to be a leading Troll here at USMB.

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Which party MANDATED that the entire population take numerous experimental jabs? Which party mandated that people take the jab or get fired from their lifelong careers? Which party set millions of kids back at least a year and caused those same kids incalculable mental problems that will last for decades?

President Trump made the vaccine possible in record time. President Biden and Dr. Fauci forced on the world.

I agree with dblack. Root out corruption and fraud. But drug companies gamble billions on say a dozen drugs for various purposes. Out of that dozen, maybe one will prove effective and safe. Who is going to pay for those other eleven?
Your talking points seem to include 'counter' talking points.

I think the Demo party mandated the vaccine on everybody, but you seem to suggest that it was Trump's vaccine. All I can suggest is, 'who cares'?

If you're trying to debate something with me you're going to have to come down off the walls my friend.
 
If you can't take your medication for any reason, allergy, availability, cost, there is always another treatment the doctor can give you.

If the drug company didn't charge what they did, it might not be available at all, so how would that make anyone any better off.
 
There are two problems here. First, is the question is whether there are artificial factors causing medication prices to be higher than they would be in an actual free market. The issue is highlighted here:

Let that number sink in for a moment. A one month's supply of this drug surpasses the price of most used cars, a semester of college or a year's rent on an apartment. Did I pay that much? Well, of course not. It was covered under my Medicare insurance.. or the company that carries my Medicare advantage HMO plan. Honestly, I don't know even how that works anymore or who pays for what.

Getting their approval for this drug took almost 6 weeks. I’m sure there’s a secret motive behind that delay. They’re probably hoping some patients will croak before they have to fork over for the prescription. Even though I did not pay for it, somebody did. Taxpayers paid for it. You paid for it.

Any system that attempts to socialize costs must deal with this problem.

If we were paying our own bills, most of us wouldn't, or couldn't, pay the outrageous prices. Faced with very limited sales, pharma companies would either stop producing those drugs, find a way to deliver them at a lower cost or come up with a cheaper alternative. This applies to all healthcare costs, not just medication.

As it is, almost no one is paying for their own health care. As a result, almost no one cares how much health care costs. So there is very little pressure to check the "unrestrained greed" of the pharma companies.

The other problem is unrealistic expectations. Even if the market weren't being undermined by insurance, there would still be drugs available to the very rich that the rest of us cannot afford. That's just life. There will always be some people who have more wealth, and more "access" to expensive healthcare, than others. And this will happen whether we're living in a free society, or a socialist state. In a socialist state, political influence would replace wealth, but the disparity would still exists.

Numbers like that leave me wondering about more than the high cost of healthcare. It makes me wonder about the value of a human life. This fact evoked memories of all the times I’ve had to have pets euthanized, because I couldn’t afford their veterinary treatment. And it makes me wonder if we've reached the same point with human beings.
We've always been at that point. Always will be. At some point, nearly all of us will face circumstances where it's too expensive to stay alive. And, again, that will happen regardless of the economic model in play. If we're using private insurance, insurance adjusters (and the letter of the policy), will make the call. If we're using state insurance, state insurance adjusters will decide. If we're paying our own bills, the patient, or their family will decide. But someone, namely the someone writing the check, will decide how much any given human life is worth.
 
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Your talking points seem to include 'counter' talking points.

I think the Demo party mandated the vaccine on everybody, but you seem to suggest that it was Trump's vaccine. All I can suggest is, 'who cares'?

If you're trying to debate something with me you're going to have to come down off the walls my friend.
Did President mandate that everyone have numerous jabs? No. He got the vaccine developed. Yes, they are two very separate things.
 

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