When Communism Seems So….Sensible

[Oz and the Orchestra]

"School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists"

They were, Washington had 300 slaves - can't get more Racist than that!

When a law in Pennsylvania said slaves must be freed after 6 months, he waited till the last day and then moved them all to Virginia.

 

[Taz]

Sadly, there has always been a large pool of those too weak and cowardly, or simply too dumb......to question the lies of environmentalism. They feel so secure siding with the 'vast consensus.'

That makes it sooo much easier for the Bolsheviks....er, Democrats who own and operate the schools.



Now....let's destroy the 'consensus' argument.

3. Well….don’t all the scientists agree about Global Warming?

“… where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from? It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois. Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.

The first: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?”

The second question asked: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”

Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”. That Scientific Global Warming Consensus...Not!

77 out of 10,257 becomes 98%.
Yup…figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.



Oh….BTW….

“Since 1998, more than 31,000 American scientists from diverse climate-related disciplines, including more than 9,000 with Ph.D.s, have signed a public petition announcing their belief that “…there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” Included are atmospheric physicists, botanists, geologists, oceanographers, and meteorologists.” Ibid.



Since 1998, more than 31,000 American scientists, have signed a public petition announcing their belief that “…there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” That Scientific Global Warming Consensus...Not!

I'll stick with NASA, you stick with your hom skoolin.

 

[Taz]

"School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists"

They were, Washington had 300 slaves - can't get more Racist than that!

When a law in Pennsylvania said slaves must be freed after 6 months, he waited till the last day and then moved them all to Virginia.

In the future, Americans forced to kneel down to kiss carpets all over America are going to say that we were way too soft on muslims.

 

[Cellblock2429]

"School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists"

They were, Washington had 300 slaves - can't get more Racist than that!

When a law in Pennsylvania said slaves must be freed after 6 months, he waited till the last day and then moved them all to Virginia.

/——/ You voting for Kamala whose family held Irish slaves in Jamaica, or is your fake outrage selective?

 

[Blues Man]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

 

[ReinyDays]

Been swimming in the East River again? ... gubbermint skool doktors told you about that ...

Been swimming in the East River again? ... gubbermint skool doktors told you about that ...

Sorry.....no liars allowed in this thread.

Move on.

Afraid to hear the truth? ... why is lying at the tip of your tongue so quick? ... it's the thief who screams "thief" first ...

I know I know I know ... just have to ignore those who point out your bullshit deductions ... go build your house downstream from Oak Ridge ... show us what you mean ... drink the tap water in Flint, Michigan ... oh wait, you have been ... that's right ...

You want to discuss government environmental overregulation, fine, lots of material ... do you want upwind power plants burning high sulfur coal? ... then watch everything die around you when the rains drops the pH a couple notches ...

You're ragging on schools ... do you even know when or where your local school board meets? ... didn't think so ...

 

[danielpalos]

That’s when you know you’ve been converted by government school to make government your god.


Here's the premise: environmentalism is simply a way to hide the real reason for laws, regulations, statutes that end was is meant to be private property.


1.Government school and Democrat government both have collectivism as their guiding principle….everyone is merely a cog in a machine, and just as replaceable. The Founders envisioned a nation based on individualism, differences in views, traditions, opinions, with the idea of ‘checks and balances’ to balance opposing factions.

Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, etc. all need those cogs to be identical in their views. Government school is the mechanism to carry out Lenin’s plan:

In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food. Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour. “I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,” Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs. “Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?” he asked. “Exactly” replied Lenin. “Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.” Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733

Lenin could do it, because he simply killed those who didn’t march in lock-step. Here, the Left uses simplistic arguments and doesn’t allow rebuttal, opposing views….and uses the media and pop culture for a constant drum beat.





2. “Begging the question” means that one starts out with the conclusion as a given. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle.” (Google)

One prominent example is Global Warming. There is no proof, yet the media, the schools, pop culture simply assume it to be true, and demands that everyone accept that ‘truth’.

In his book on the Supreme Court, Liberal guru Thom Hartmann shows how it’s done:

“There are three principal ways that activists are using the law to try to slow down and even reverse the destruction of our planet by climate change.

The first is through the political process and regulation, which the Trump administration has shown us can be a thin reed, subject to the vagaries of politics. Its rollback of previous administrations’ rules and regulations to reduce poisons in our air and water, and carbon dioxide and methane (and chlorofluorocarbons) in our atmosphere, shows how fragile this strategy can be without strong and clear legislation from Congress.

The second is the property rights movement, claiming that the right of people to enjoy their environment and the stability of their lives—a logical extension of property rights as envisioned by Locke and Jefferson all the way to today—is infringed on by pollution and climate change. This is largely the “public trust doctrine….

The third is the human rights argument. This posits that the core human rights referenced in both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution (particularly as amended by the Bill of Rights) include the right to safety and happiness, which require a stable climate and a nontoxic environment.” “The Hidden History of the Supreme Court and the Betrayal of America,” Thom Hartmann, P. 108

All three of these are attacks on private property.



The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx





If one stipulates the truth of the Global Warming Scam….well, then….communism seems so sensible….

When God offers a divine Commune of Heaven.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Been swimming in the East River again? ... gubbermint skool doktors told you about that ...

Been swimming in the East River again? ... gubbermint skool doktors told you about that ...

Sorry.....no liars allowed in this thread.

Move on.

Afraid to hear the truth? ... why is lying at the tip of your tongue so quick? ... it's the thief who screams "thief" first ...

I know I know I know ... just have to ignore those who point out your bullshit deductions ... go build your house downstream from Oak Ridge ... show us what you mean ... drink the tap water in Flint, Michigan ... oh wait, you have been ... that's right ...

You want to discuss government environmental overregulation, fine, lots of material ... do you want upwind power plants burning high sulfur coal? ... then watch everything die around you when the rains drops the pH a couple notches ...

You're ragging on schools ... do you even know when or where your local school board meets? ... didn't think so ...

No scummy lying low-lives in the thread.

Get lost.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. Liberal/Leftist Guru Hartmann says we can use the idea of ‘property rights’ to enforce global warming sanctions.

“The second is the property rights movement, claiming that the right of people to enjoy their environment and the stability of their lives—a logical extension of property rights as envisioned by Locke and Jefferson all the way to today—is infringed on by pollution and climate change. This is largely the “public trust doctrine…. “

Seems sensible and logical….except it is designed for the removal of property rights.




Liberals lie with the same ease as they breath. Hartmann says “a logical extension of property rights as envisioned by Locke.”
Nay, nay…..Locke said property is the right of a free citizen.

""Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence.... Locke argued in his Two Treatises of Government that political society existed for the sake of protecting "property", which he defined as a person's "life, liberty, and estate".



Jefferson used this for our Declaration of Independence:
That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety." Virginia Declaration of Rights" Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



…private property, which specifies to whom the property belongs. Under this form, and individual or individuals have the right to use some good and to exclude others from doing so. If they so wish, they can sell the property, and retain the proceeds from said sale.

Where does it say that government can statute and regulate it out of one’s ownership?

 

[Blues Man]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

 

[Taz]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

Cut PoleChick some slack, she was hom skooled.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

So when are you leaving?

 

[Blues Man]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

So when are you leaving?

Never said I was going anywhere.

You really like making shit up when someone proves you wrong huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

So when are you leaving?

Never said I was going anywhere.

You really like making shit up when someone proves you wrong huh?

No vulgarity.

Write like an adult.


Oh....and I'm never wrong.
Try to remember we're comparing apples to apples, not apples to cue balls.


We're judging communism in advanced, not stone age societieties.

It never works.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. Guess which political doctrines are based on ending private property.

Yup….Communism, Progressivism, Socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, and Fascism….the collectivists.

At the heart of Marxist doctrine is the abolishment of private property.

“In communism, the end of relations based on force, on violence and the universal antagonism of each against all … will presuppose the end of ownership rights over people and things. The abolition of private property means putting an end to their foundations: the domination of the “other” (man or nature); appropriation, which only perceives the other in relation to utility; and the generalized degradation of the relations between men and also between the latter and nature.”
https://libcom.org/forums/theory/there-any-private-property-under-socialismcommunism-22022012



6. Marxists , in the guise of 'environmentalists,' confiscate private property under the claim of saving species, or of public safety.

"Take the spotted owl case….One of the people instrumental in shutting down the forests told me that ‘if the spotted owl hadn’t existed, we would have had to invent it.’ The goal was to stop logging….It is totally questionable whether owls were endangered by logging. Was it good for the overall health of the forest? Probably not. Was it good for the spotted owl? It probably didn’t make a difference. Did it hurt the overall economies of the West? Yes.”
Nickson, “Eco-Fascists,” p.129.




7. The Communist Manifesto was a war on private property, and, since Liberalism/Progressivism mirror so very many of Marx’s views and endeavors, the current political elites….read ‘Democrats’…view property in the very same way.

“…there are four great blessings that cannot easily be realized in a society that lacks the secure, decentralized, private ownership: liberty, justice, peace, and prosperity….Leon Trotsky long ago pointed out that where there is no private ownership, individuals can be bent to the will of the state”
Bethell, “The Noblest Triumph,” p.9

 

[Blues Man]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

So when are you leaving?

Never said I was going anywhere.

You really like making shit up when someone proves you wrong huh?

No vulgarity.

Write like an adult.


Oh....and I'm never wrong.
Try to remember we're comparing apples to apples, not apples to cue balls.


We're judging communism in advanced, not stone age societieties.

It never works.

I'll write however I want to write. But if you stop making shit up I'll stop saying that you are making shit up.

And All I said was communism can work with small groups of people but you use example of large populations to try to tell me my statement was incorrect.

It seems you have serious reading comprehension difficulties.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

So when are you leaving?

Never said I was going anywhere.

You really like making shit up when someone proves you wrong huh?

No vulgarity.

Write like an adult.


Oh....and I'm never wrong.
Try to remember we're comparing apples to apples, not apples to cue balls.


We're judging communism in advanced, not stone age societieties.

It never works.

I'll write however I want to write. But if you stop making shit up I'll stop saying that you are making shit up.

And All I said was communism can work with small groups of people but you use example of large populations to try to tell me my statement was incorrect.

It seems you have serious reading comprehension difficulties.

This is your last warning.

If you continue to post the language you learned from the boys bathroom walls I'll assume it is out of fear of what response I might post.

 

[Blues Man]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

So when are you leaving?

Never said I was going anywhere.

You really like making shit up when someone proves you wrong huh?

No vulgarity.

Write like an adult.


Oh....and I'm never wrong.
Try to remember we're comparing apples to apples, not apples to cue balls.


We're judging communism in advanced, not stone age societieties.

It never works.

I'll write however I want to write. But if you stop making shit up I'll stop saying that you are making shit up.

And All I said was communism can work with small groups of people but you use example of large populations to try to tell me my statement was incorrect.

It seems you have serious reading comprehension difficulties.

This is your last warning.

If you continue to post the language you learned from the boys bathroom walls I'll assume it is out of fear of what response I might post.

OOOOOOOOHHHHHH I've been warned!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Taz]

Communism can only work with a relatively small population. As we have seen, when communism is scaled up it fails miserably.

Libertarianism is similar that it can only work on a small scale but since we have never had any large scale type of libertarian government we don't have any data on its feasibility.

Capitalism and Socialism both can be scaled up to large populations.

And I am talking about Socialism as it is defined in the dictionary where the government owns all forms of manufacturing and distribution.

At scale the differences between capitalism and socialism become clear.

More people benefit from capitalism on the large scale than they do from Socialism.

Large scale Socialism by necessity breeds large scale government that stagnates society as a whole as people are ground under the heel of the gargantuan governmental bureaucracy.

That said we do not and have never had unfettered capitalism and I am not dismissing the weaknesses of capitalism but I would rather address those weaknesses in a system that is based on capitalism than one based on Socialism.

"Communism can only work with a relatively small population."


Wrong.


It never works anywhere.


“Robert Owen (/ˈoʊən/; 14 May 1771 – 17 November 1858… philanthropic social reformer, and one of the founders of utopian socialism and the cooperative movement. Owen is best known for his efforts to improve the working conditions of his factory workers and his promotion of experimental socialistic communities. ….In 1824 Owen travelled to America, where he invested the bulk of his fortune in an experimental socialistic community at New Harmony, Indiana, the preliminary model for Owen's utopian society. The experiment was short-lived, lasting about two years. Other Owenite utopian communities met a similar fate.” Robert Owen - Wikipedia



Reliable Democrat voters vote for the insane Democrat/socialist policies…..but are clueless about what they are supporting. A vote for the Democrat Party is a vote against private property.


Here is one such Democrat voter:
“Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He’sAgainst “Private” Property, Not “Personal” Property … he wants to keep his iPad 2, naturally, and not share it with the shiftless vagrants fighting over access to one of the three Porta-Potties recently delivered to the now-evacuated camp site in lower Manhattan.” Occupy Wall Street Genius Says He's Against "Private" Property, Not "Personal" Property | Human Events

Once again you are wrong.

Communism can work with small groups of people.

In fact what many tribal societies practiced is communism. All people worked for the collective well being of the tribe. You are scaling up and since you can't read very well I specifically said communism does not work when scaled up to large populations

So when are you leaving?

Never said I was going anywhere.

You really like making shit up when someone proves you wrong huh?

No vulgarity.

Write like an adult.


Oh....and I'm never wrong.
Try to remember we're comparing apples to apples, not apples to cue balls.


We're judging communism in advanced, not stone age societieties.

It never works.

PoleChick likes to pretend that she's above everyone else, but ask her what she proposes instead of evolution, which she doesn't believe in, and she runs like a scared little chicken.