When Behavior Doesn't Match the Narrative: The Epstein Files and Trump

[TemplarKormac]

Hey fool!!!

I was getting ready to read your post until you hit me with that. I will not be replying to you in this thread. That is a privilege I now extend to people who are somewhat civil with me in debates.

Have a good morning.

 

[forkup]

I am doing no such thing. You committed a Freudian slip earlier, which cued me in on your hopes of Trump's guilt. That helped me glean your true feelings on the matter.

"I hope the files are released, so I can watch you squirm," or something to that effect. It doesn't take much, but you revealed your true feelings with one meager statement.

You most definitely misrepresented me. In fact, I dismantled your entire "thesis" by quoting myself. It took only a few sentences.

And no. My "Freudian slip", wasn't Freudian nor a slip... again. I never denied I have a partisan lean here. In fact I readily conceded I hated Trump... explicitly...in those terms. But I won't apologize for deriving glee from this saga which I consider deserved and entirely self-inflicted. And no I don't hope he's guilty, because that would mean there are more people who got hurt, and my political lean doesn't affect my humanity. What I said, and what you consistently ignore, is that my feelings don't affect my judgement. As is shown by the fact that I consistently said that nothing shown proves Trump's guilt. Only that it doesn’t prove his innocence either, a claim you repeatedly make.


The funny thing is that you think my partisan lean makes me unqualified to have a good faith discussion while you've continuously shown to be unable to have that good faith discussion because of your partisan lean.

 

[citygator]

Fantasize all you wish.

Facts are facts. Now we are seeing he stopped the release AFTER he found out he was in them. Facts are facts.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You most definitely misrepresented me. In fact, I dismantled your entire "thesis" by quoting myself. It took only a few sentences.

And no. My "Freudian slip", wasn't Freudian nor a slip... again. I never denied I have a partisan lean here. In fact I readily conceded I hated Trump... explicitly...in those terms. But I won't apologize for deriving glee from this saga which I consider deserved and entirely self-inflicted. And no I don't hope he's guilty, because that would mean there are more people who got hurt, and my political lean doesn't affect my humanity. What I said, and what you consistently ignore, is that my feelings don't affect my judgement. As is shown by the fact that I consistently said that nothing shown proves Trump's guilt. Only that it doesn’t prove his innocence either, a claim you repeatedly make.


The funny thing is that you think my partisan lean makes me unqualified to have a good faith discussion while you've continuously shown to be unable to have that good faith discussion because of your partisan lean.

You "dismantled" nothing.

You tried to disprove my point by citing a logical fallacy that you assert I committed. That is a red herring. You did nothing but try to distract from the main point.

I'll once again remind you of what you said: "I hope the files are released so I can see you guys squirm." Or something similar. Let's not operate under any delusions that you won. You indicated your genuine nature with that statement.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Facts are facts. Now we are seeing he stopped the release AFTER he found out he was in them. Facts are facts.

You have no evidence that he stopped anything. In fact he had Bondi ask a court to unseal Grand Jury testimony, he also has the DOJ interviewing Maxwell.

The idea that he's afraid of what will come out of it is preposterous.

 

[konradv]

Simple question: If there had been any damning information about Trump in the Epstein files, don't you think that when the Democrats were in power, they would have released it? Of course! It was an election year, and they could have easily torpedoed his campaign with it. So, why not? If there was something so scandalous in those files about Trump, why didn't Democrats release it when they had unfettered access to the files during Biden's administration? They had plenty of chances.

The behavior doesn't match the narrative. It will continue not to, unless and until the files are released in full. I invite the leftists to stop acting like they know what's in the files. Just because his name appears in the files doesn't necessarily imply any wrongdoing on Trump's part. That's not how any of this works. You give the benefit of the doubt until contrary evidence is given.

Same question over and over again! That was Merrick Garland’s call. In a normal administration the AG is independent.

 

[forkup]

You "dismantled" nothing.

You tried to disprove my point by citing a logical fallacy that you assert I committed. That is a red herring. You did nothing but try to distract from the main point.

Yes, I did. Since the claim you made is fallacious. Meaning a bad argument by definition. if you think that's some minor detail let me tell you it isn't from a logical standpoint. Nor was that the only thing I offered. I also rebutted your main point by giving a reasoning for why it's flawed. (Because damaging your political opponent is not and should not be the only reasoning for why you release something.) And gave a real-world example when your logic regarding Democrats didn't hold. (Obama not releasing that Trump's campaign was under investigation although elections were ongoing and it would have been politically damaging.)

I'll once again remind you of what you said: "I hope the files are released so I can see you guys squirm." Or something similar.

You have reminded me that you conflate wishing political damage on a political opponent which is how I consistently framed it implies both the assumption and wishing of guilt. That doesn't mean the inference is any more valid now then it was the first time you uttered it. In fact, since I've explicitly said the exact opposite now multiple times you simply look dishonest.

I get that you rather talk to the strawman you've tried to put out. But that's not happening sorry.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Simple question: If there had been any damning information about Trump in the Epstein files, don't you think that when the Democrats were in power, they would have released it? Of course! It was an election year, and they could have easily torpedoed his campaign with it. So, why not? If there was something so scandalous in those files about Trump, why didn't Democrats release it when they had unfettered access to the files during Biden's administration? They had plenty of chances.

The behavior doesn't match the narrative. It will continue not to, unless and until the files are released in full. I invite the leftists to stop acting like they know what's in the files. Just because his name appears in the files doesn't necessarily imply any wrongdoing on Trump's part. That's not how any of this works. You give the benefit of the doubt until contrary evidence is given.

Not if the filthy dems pigs are all in it, bub. Turn it around, if Trump is not in it, why is he so worried.

 

[citygator]

You have no evidence that he stopped anything. In fact he had Bondi ask a court to unseal Grand Jury testimony, he also has the DOJ interviewing Maxwell.

The idea that he's afraid of what will come out of it is preposterous.

Youre crazy. I have no idea if he was porking under age girls or not. I do know that he is embarrassed his name is all over the files and that his friendship with Epstein is on full display and that he stopped the release after he found out the extent to which he was in there. All that is fact. That you are acting like he is being transparent and non shady is a ******* pretzel twist of Olympic proportion. If it comes out he was molesting young women I am not sure you would care.

 

[JoeB131]

Sigh. I don't know where you get that deep-seated bitterness from, but it's tiresome. I would think, given where you sit in life, that Trump's machinations would be the furthest from your mind. I mean, how much of what he's done has meaningfully impacted you?

Well, my wife is an immigrant from Asia. The kind of hatred he has drummed up definitely worries me.

He fucked up the economy in 2020 and I lost my job at that time. I can blame him for that, too.

As much at odds as we are with one another, I would give you the benefit of the doubt first, no matter how callous or crass you come across. What differentiates us is the fact I see you, an adversary, just as worthy of that benefit as those who ally with me in the political realm.

Why does Trump deserve the benefit of the doubt after he's been caught doing so much shit?

The appearance of his name in the files does not automatically imply his guilt or the commission of any unthinkable acts.

uh, guy, Epstein was asked if he ever socialized with Trump and teen girls at the same time.

Jeffrey Epstein Asked About Himself, Trump And Underage Girls In Resurfaced Video

The convicted sex offender was asked about his "personal relationship" with the future president in this 2010 deposition video.

sg.news.yahoo.com

“Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?” the attorney asked.

Epstein took a long pause, which included a slight shake of his head, and finally responded: “Though l’d like to answer that question, at least today, l’m going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.”

The contents of the video have been previously reported. However, the footage itself had not been widely seen.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Lots of VIPs and STATE players involved with Eps.

He did more than **** kids and get people to **** kids.

The government knew he fucked kids. He was in “prison” for ******* an underage whore. That was when he could come and go as he pleased.

Jeffrey Epstein timeline: How the Palm Beach County case led to 15 more years of sex abuse

Florida - The Jeffrey Epstein saga began — and could have ended — in Palm Beach County in 2006. The Palm Beach Post sued in 2019 to find out why it didn't. Now,

bluewaterhealthyliving.com

He was a protected intelligence asset.

 

[MagicMike]

Simple question: If there had been any damning information about Trump in the Epstein files, don't you think that when the Democrats were in power, they would have released it? Of course! It was an election year, and they could have easily torpedoed his campaign with it. So, why not? If there was something so scandalous in those files about Trump, why didn't Democrats release it when they had unfettered access to the files during Biden's administration? They had plenty of chances.

None of this conjecture matters. What is the point of this ridiculous question?
Are you complaining because Biden didn't weaponize the Epstein file for political purposes?
According to this logic WHY didn't Trump release the evidence in his first term?

The behavior doesn't match the narrative. It will continue not to, unless and until the files are released in full.

So why has Trump been blocking the release of the files?

I invite the leftists to stop acting like they know what's in the files.

Well, one thing we know is that Trump's DOJ had 1,000 FBI agents working to scrub Trump's name from the evidence.
That doesn't look good.
We also know the file contains old court affidavits naming Trump and Epstein together as defendants in rape cases against minors.
That doesn't look good either.
Come to think if it....it's NO WONDER Trump has been blocking the release.

Just because his name appears in the files doesn't necessarily imply any wrongdoing on Trump's part.

True.
it is the other evidence that he has been trying to cover up that does that.

That's not how any of this works. You give the benefit of the doubt until contrary evidence is given.

And then if you are a MAGAt you just call that contraey evidence "fake news" and continue on with your unconditional support of a lying, convicted felon, pedophile.
Problem solved.