When And How To Choose

[PoliticalChic]

1. When opinions are presented with which I don't agree, I have more respect for those who can elucidate reasons for same than those who are simply parroting what their party tells them.....and more respect for either of those than the ones who lamely claim "both parties are the same."


2. The above disclaimer is stated because I am about to object to a policy of the party I voted for. There is nothing wrong with criticizing your party if you can explain why, then, you voted for it. I can.


3. "President Donald Trump told Fox News in an interview that aired Tuesday night the United States doesn’t have workers with “certain talents” to fill jobs needed domestically, defending the H1-B skilled worker visa program.
Pressed by Fox News’ Laura Ingraham on whether his administration would reduce H1-B visas over concerns it would depress wages for American workers, Trump told Ingraham, “I agree — but you also do have to bring in talent.”
When the Fox host responded, “We have plenty of talented people here,” Trump replied, “No, you don’t, no you don’t …"

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/11/politics/trump-domestic-talent-jobs-h1b-visas

4. An American worker can change jobs at will, so employers need to pay at competitive rates. H1-B workers are bound to their employer, or are sent home. The effect is employers can get H1-B workers cheaper and not hire Americans. How is the Trump Administration looking out for Americans with this policy?
Now if Trump can prove that this a national security need, I might change my view.



5. So.....if this is my view, why did I vote for Trump?
As a conservative, my primary interests are limited government, free markets, and personal liberty, especially free speech. These come before economic benefits. And current Democrats do not share these conservative perspectives, especially the Marxists.

 

[ElmerMudd]

1. When opinions are presented with which I don't agree, I have more respect for those who can elucidate reasons for same than those who are simply parroting what their party tells them.....and more respect for either of those than the ones who lamely claim "both parties are the same."


2. The above disclaimer is stated because I am about to object to a policy of the party I voted for. There is nothing wrong with criticizing your party if you can explain why, then, you voted for it. I can.


3. "President Donald Trump told Fox News in an interview that aired Tuesday night the United States doesn’t have workers with “certain talents” to fill jobs needed domestically, defending the H1-B skilled worker visa program.
Pressed by Fox News’ Laura Ingraham on whether his administration would reduce H1-B visas over concerns it would depress wages for American workers, Trump told Ingraham, “I agree — but you also do have to bring in talent.”
When the Fox host responded, “We have plenty of talented people here,” Trump replied, “No, you don’t, no you don’t …"

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/11/politics/trump-domestic-talent-jobs-h1b-visas

4. An American worker can change jobs at will, so employers need to pay at competitive rates. H1-B workers are bound to their employer, or are sent home. The effect is employers can get H1-B workers cheaper and not hire Americans. How is the Trump Administration looking out for Americans with this policy?
Now if Trump can prove that this a national security need, I might change my view.



5. So.....if this is my view, why did I vote for Trump?
As a conservative, my primary interests are limited government, free markets, and personal liberty, especially free speech. These come before economic benefits. And current Democrats do not share these conservative perspectives, especially the Marxists.

I like it. Not that you disagree with Trump, necessarily. But to make your own mind up and not parrot whatever party or group you are alligned with. I feel that way.

 

[bluzman61]

Thanks for another informative post, PC.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I like it. Not that you disagree with Trump, necessarily. But to make your own mind up and not parrot whatever party or group you are alligned with. I feel that way.

If such is the case, are you ready to admit that Senator Jos. McCarthy is an American hero, who trie to save America from communism?

 

[ElmerMudd]

If such is the case, are you ready to admit that Senator Jos. McCarthy is an American hero, who trie to save America from communism?

No, that is how I feel. To please you or anyone else, I don't change what I believe

 

[Leo123]

1. When opinions are presented with which I don't agree, I have more respect for those who can elucidate reasons for same than those who are simply parroting what their party tells them.....and more respect for either of those than the ones who lamely claim "both parties are the same."


2. The above disclaimer is stated because I am about to object to a policy of the party I voted for. There is nothing wrong with criticizing your party if you can explain why, then, you voted for it. I can.


3. "President Donald Trump told Fox News in an interview that aired Tuesday night the United States doesn’t have workers with “certain talents” to fill jobs needed domestically, defending the H1-B skilled worker visa program.
Pressed by Fox News’ Laura Ingraham on whether his administration would reduce H1-B visas over concerns it would depress wages for American workers, Trump told Ingraham, “I agree — but you also do have to bring in talent.”
When the Fox host responded, “We have plenty of talented people here,” Trump replied, “No, you don’t, no you don’t …"

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/11/politics/trump-domestic-talent-jobs-h1b-visas

4. An American worker can change jobs at will, so employers need to pay at competitive rates. H1-B workers are bound to their employer, or are sent home. The effect is employers can get H1-B workers cheaper and not hire Americans. How is the Trump Administration looking out for Americans with this policy?
Now if Trump can prove that this a national security need, I might change my view.



5. So.....if this is my view, why did I vote for Trump?
As a conservative, my primary interests are limited government, free markets, and personal liberty, especially free speech. These come before economic benefits. And current Democrats do not share these conservative perspectives, especially the Marxists.

I don't agree with Trump on that either. I also don't agree with the draconian stance Republicans have on drugs. Keeping certain drugs illegal is causing deaths because illegal drugs cannot be regulated as to their potency and content. People are uneducated as to 'illegal' drugs so they are clueless what they do. I did not mean to get off on a tangent but I agree, republicans (conservatives) can disagree without losing sight of their main principles. Democrats have no principles because they always change them to suit political winds.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, that is how I feel. To please you or anyone else, I don't change what I believe

In that case you were lying when you wrote "But to make your own mind up and not parrot whatever party or group you are alligned with. I feel that way."

I proved my case when you couldn't name a single innocent American "ruined" by McCarthy.


Take some time and consider how you simply parrot Democrat communist propaganda.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't agree with Trump on that either. I also don't agree with the draconian stance Republicans have on drugs. Keeping certain drugs illegal is causing deaths because illegal drugs cannot be regulated as to their potency and content. People are uneducated as to 'illegal' drugs so they are clueless what they do. I did not mean to get off on a tangent but I agree, republicans (conservatives) can disagree without losing sight of their main principles. Democrats have no principles because they always change them to suit political winds.

I have yet to see a Democrat OP chastising their leadership.

Not too many Germans disagreed with Hitler,either.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Charlie Kirk authored a 6 step plan for America....and step #2 was....


"....stop the H-1B scam. I love what Mark Mitchell said. This is something young people experience when they go into the workforce.

And about 80% of these jobs in H-1B are going to entry-level, junior-level type jobs. The exact jobs that we need to be able to ensure are reserved for American citizens. America is for Americans.

And then when you do this H-1B scam and you got 80% or 70% that's going to go to Indians, another 10% to 15% to Chinese, you're looking visibly at your country saying, it's no longer for me. And that is depressing on an existential level for young people, Steve. You got step number three, dramatically reduce legal immigration.

We've got robotics. We've got AI that's coming, automation that's going to be wiping out a ton of these entry-level jobs, analyst jobs. The first rung on the economic ladder for so many college grads.

And you've got 1.2 million green cards being passed around like they're candy based on a 1990 law that we don't need anymore. This is antiquated. We do not need it.

You might've said in 1990, there was a justification for it. I would argue with that. But right now there's absolutely no justification that we need 1.2 million green cards every year. Step four, end chain migration and the visa lottery. What good does this do our country? There's absolutely no good that it does our country.

These are not people that are brought here for merit. They're not geniuses. There's no actual rationale for these people.

End it immediately."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/11/13/andrew_kolvet_charlie_kirks_plan_for_american_economic_revival.html

 

[ElmerMudd]

In that case you were lying when you wrote "But to make your own mind up and not parrot whatever party or group you are alligned with. I feel that way."

I proved my case when you couldn't name a single innocent American "ruined" by McCarthy.


Take some time and consider how you simply parrot Democrat communist propaganda.

Republicans had mixed reactions to Joseph McCarthy, with the majority initially supporting his anti-communist crusade but a significant minority and eventually the party leadership turning against him as his tactics became extreme.

 

[Leo123]

Charlie Kirk authored a 6 step plan for America....and step #2 was....


"....stop the H-1B scam. I love what Mark Mitchell said. This is something young people experience when they go into the workforce.

And about 80% of these jobs in H-1B are going to entry-level, junior-level type jobs. The exact jobs that we need to be able to ensure are reserved for American citizens. America is for Americans.

And then when you do this H-1B scam and you got 80% or 70% that's going to go to Indians, another 10% to 15% to Chinese, you're looking visibly at your country saying, it's no longer for me. And that is depressing on an existential level for young people, Steve. You got step number three, dramatically reduce legal immigration.

We've got robotics. We've got AI that's coming, automation that's going to be wiping out a ton of these entry-level jobs, analyst jobs. The first rung on the economic ladder for so many college grads.

And you've got 1.2 million green cards being passed around like they're candy based on a 1990 law that we don't need anymore. This is antiquated. We do not need it.

You might've said in 1990, there was a justification for it. I would argue with that. But right now there's absolutely no justification that we need 1.2 million green cards every year. Step four, end chain migration and the visa lottery. What good does this do our country? There's absolutely no good that it does our country.

These are not people that are brought here for merit. They're not geniuses. There's no actual rationale for these people.

End it immediately."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/11/13/andrew_kolvet_charlie_kirks_plan_for_american_economic_revival.html

The H-1B scam has been going on for at least 40 years. When I worked in Silicon Valley I was working in engineering, and had seniority in the department. When it came time for the company to designate a head engineer, I was ready but, they hired an East Indian to fill that position. He had no real experience in our products so they made me train him. He was really a nice guy and I learned a lot about India but after I got him up to speed I quit. **** that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Republicans had mixed reactions to Joseph McCarthy, with the majority initially supporting his anti-communist crusade but a significant minority and eventually the party leadership turning against him as his tactics became extreme.

But we're speaking of you, and the slander you purveyed.


“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”

Yea Or Nay?

Thread 'Yea Or Nay?'

Feb 1, 2021

Simply asking Democrat votes to validate, justify, that they actually thought about how they voted....or simply followed orders.

I bet they can’t.



In the lead-up to the election, many of us posted glowing accomplishments of Trump’s, and, frankly found it difficult to imagine Trump losing his re-election bid. Even since the alleged loss, I have posted dozens of examples and challenged Democrat supporters to either list which they could provide their rejections of, or list those achievements and polices of Biden’s for which they would/did vote.

The could...

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One hears this time and again from the indoctrinated....

If this is true…..it should be eminently simple to prove.





In one simple sentence I prove it a lie…

I challenged the poster, Elmer, as I do every time they post this sort of slander:

“Name one innocent American whose life was ruined by Senator Joseph McCarthy.”

You still can't.

 

[ElmerMudd]

But we're speaking of you, and the slander you purveyed.


“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”

Yea Or Nay?

Thread 'Yea Or Nay?'

Feb 1, 2021

Simply asking Democrat votes to validate, justify, that they actually thought about how they voted....or simply followed orders.

I bet they can’t.



In the lead-up to the election, many of us posted glowing accomplishments of Trump’s, and, frankly found it difficult to imagine Trump losing his re-election bid. Even since the alleged loss, I have posted dozens of examples and challenged Democrat supporters to either list which they could provide their rejections of, or list those achievements and polices of Biden’s for which they would/did vote.

The could...

• PoliticalChic
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• Forum: Politics

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One hears this time and again from the indoctrinated....

If this is true…..it should be eminently simple to prove.





In one simple sentence I prove it a lie…

I challenged the poster, Elmer, as I do every time they post this sort of slander:

“Name one innocent American whose life was ruined by Senator Joseph McCarthy.”

You still can't.

Oh my, Chic. You need to read, what I provide you, proving my claims. You cannot refute the information.
The fact you blindly love Joseph McCarthy explains why you blindly love Donald Trump. At some point you need to open your eyes.

McCarthyism

McCarthyism describes the practice of publicly accusing government employees of political disloyalty and using unsavory investigatory methods to prosecute them.

firstamendment.mtsu.edu

The Silenced Generation: The Impact of McCarthyism on American Public Life in the 1950s

In February 1950, at the Ohio County Women’s Republican Club, a first-time senator from Wisconsin took the stage. Claiming to have a list of 250 state employees with ties to the Communist Party, the senator, whose name was Joseph McCarthy, would at that moment launch a decade of intimidation and...

www.perspectivesofhistory.com

Joseph McCarthy and Irresponsibility Narrative | Bill of Rights Institute

billofrightsinstitute.org

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh my, Chic. You need to read, what I provide you, proving my claims. You cannot refute the information.
The fact you blindly love Joseph McCarthy explains why you blindly love Donald Trump. At some point you need to open your eyes.

McCarthyism

McCarthyism describes the practice of publicly accusing government employees of political disloyalty and using unsavory investigatory methods to prosecute them.

firstamendment.mtsu.edu

The Silenced Generation: The Impact of McCarthyism on American Public Life in the 1950s

In February 1950, at the Ohio County Women’s Republican Club, a first-time senator from Wisconsin took the stage. Claiming to have a list of 250 state employees with ties to the Communist Party, the senator, whose name was Joseph McCarthy, would at that moment launch a decade of intimidation and...

www.perspectivesofhistory.com

Joseph McCarthy and Irresponsibility Narrative | Bill of Rights Institute

billofrightsinstitute.org

Seems you failed both honesty and logic.

Where are those thousands you claimed....you can't find a single one.

So you are a Democrat simpleton who believes propaganda without checking.

I don't love a politician....i love facts and principles.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Seems you failed both honesty and logic.

Where are those thousands you claimed....you can't find a single one.

So you are a Democrat simpleton who believes propaganda without checking.

I don't love a politician....i love facts and principles.

You cannot handle facts. You cannot handle the truth.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The H-1B scam has been going on for at least 40 years. When I worked in Silicon Valley I was working in engineering, and had seniority in the department. When it came time for the company to designate a head engineer, I was ready but, they hired an East Indian to fill that position. He had no real experience in our products so they made me train him. He was really a nice guy and I learned a lot about India but after I got him up to speed I quit. **** that.

Treason Is Not a Corporate Privilege

These incompetent GreedHeads can't make a profit without cheap labor. The whole management class has to pushed out of our way, the American Way.

It's not just cheap labor: the birth-class biased indentured servitude Eweniversity discourages the talented from having to sacrifice, as if they deserved to be punished first before getting rewarded. It also puts inferior people, no-talent brown-noses, in superior positions, which explains incompetent management in a way we'll never hear in this totalitarian thought control.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You cannot handle facts. You cannot handle the truth.

You cannot handle facts. You cannot handle the truth.

Watch how easily I eviscerate you with two simple questions:

1. Did you write this?
“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”

And you did.


2. Why can't you find single innocent American whose life was so ruined?


You're simply a moron who accepts anything his Democrat masters tell him to.

 

[task0778]

5. So.....if this is my view, why did I vote for Trump?
As a conservative, my primary interests are limited government, free markets, and personal liberty, especially free speech. These come before economic benefits. And current Democrats do not share these conservative perspectives, especially the Marxists.

This is pretty much my perspective too, although I also think that Trump and the GOP do not appear to be all that interested in limited gov't as much as they oughta be, mostly because the American public doesn't seem to support less gov't intervention (handouts, free stuff). And free markets means less protectionism, which means less tariffs; for sure it's an alternative measure to measure the balance of trade but IMHO it oughta be more targeted and not broad brush. But yeah, the democrats are way more into bigger gov't, more spending, and open borders, and I just can't vote for that.

 

[San Souci]

1. When opinions are presented with which I don't agree, I have more respect for those who can elucidate reasons for same than those who are simply parroting what their party tells them.....and more respect for either of those than the ones who lamely claim "both parties are the same."


2. The above disclaimer is stated because I am about to object to a policy of the party I voted for. There is nothing wrong with criticizing your party if you can explain why, then, you voted for it. I can.


3. "President Donald Trump told Fox News in an interview that aired Tuesday night the United States doesn’t have workers with “certain talents” to fill jobs needed domestically, defending the H1-B skilled worker visa program.
Pressed by Fox News’ Laura Ingraham on whether his administration would reduce H1-B visas over concerns it would depress wages for American workers, Trump told Ingraham, “I agree — but you also do have to bring in talent.”
When the Fox host responded, “We have plenty of talented people here,” Trump replied, “No, you don’t, no you don’t …"

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/11/politics/trump-domestic-talent-jobs-h1b-visas

4. An American worker can change jobs at will, so employers need to pay at competitive rates. H1-B workers are bound to their employer, or are sent home. The effect is employers can get H1-B workers cheaper and not hire Americans. How is the Trump Administration looking out for Americans with this policy?
Now if Trump can prove that this a national security need, I might change my view.



5. So.....if this is my view, why did I vote for Trump?
As a conservative, my primary interests are limited government, free markets, and personal liberty, especially free speech. These come before economic benefits. And current Democrats do not share these conservative perspectives, especially the Marxists.

Hmmmm... Look at the Crap that is being taught in our Colleges. Ethnic Studies. DEI. Is THAT gonna produce skilled workers?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Watch how easily I eviscerate you with two simple questions:

1. Did you write this?
“ There were hundreds if not thousands of people who lost jobs, careers, even families based on McCarty's (sic) over reach and list he compiled and interrogated. Innocent people.”

And you did.


2. Why can't you find single innocent American whose life was so ruined?


You're simply a moron who accepts anything his Democrat masters tell him to.

An aggregation of all the data on jobs lost
Senator Joseph McCarthy’s anti-communist investigations (1950–1954) did not produce an exact, universally agreed-upon number of people who lost their jobs, but historians have produced reliable estimates.

Best historical estimates​

• The “Red Scare” era (late 1940s–1950s)—which includes McCarthy’s hearings but also the wider loyalty-security programs—led to thousands of job losses.
• Specifically:
  
  • 2,000–5,000 federal employees were forced out of government jobs through Truman’s Loyalty Program (1947–1956).
    
    • These were often resignations under pressure, non-renewals, or dismissals for alleged “disloyalty,” not criminal convictions.
  • Private-sector blacklists (especially in Hollywood, publishing, academia, and unions) affected 10,000+ workers, according to multiple labor historians.

McCarthy’s personal role​

McCarthy himself chaired hearings from 1950 to 1954. His direct actions contributed to:

• Hundreds of federal employees being suspended, reassigned, or pressured to resign.
• Nearly all of the State Department employees he accused were ultimately cleared legally, but many still lost their careers due to public accusation.

While McCarthy wasn’t responsible for every firing of the era (the FBI, HUAC in the House, and loyalty boards were separate), his hearings intensified and expanded the purges.

Hollywood and private-sector blacklists​

McCarthy was not in charge of HUAC’s Hollywood investigations, but the broader Red Scare culture he fueled led to:

• Over 300 screenwriters, directors, and actors being officially blacklisted.
• Thousands more quietly denied work.

Summary​

Most historians estimate that McCarthy-era anti-communist investigations caused tens of thousands of Americans to lose their jobs, with McCarthy personally responsible for only a portion but serving as the most famous driver of the purge climate.