What's Trump's endgame with global tariffs? Canadian officials say they have a clearer idea

[shockedcanadian]

It appears Lutnick probably spilled the beans that might help Canada get through these tariffs. With Mr. Leblanc there, the former Public Safety Minister who was once responsible for CSIS and the RCMP. I always thought it was a peculiar move to go from overseeing spy agencies to Finance Minister, I don't think he has business experience so it confirms what Americans probably know about Canadas centralized economic system.

Perhaps they recorded their meeting with Lutnick to dissect and analyze Canadas way forward once they returned home with the meeting details.

If Trump sticks to his guns, basically Ontario will shed, according to Doug Ford, up to 500k jobs. Who knows if this is true or not, but him stating that isn't going to deter Trump from staying the course in the face of global socialist pressure, it will ENCOURAGE him to stick with them as it would mean a massive boon for U.S employment if his estimates are correct.

They set up a second meeting next week so maybe Canada gets through this unscathed. I can't imagine Trump is as dug in as he says but he is unpredictable and seems committed to his desire to have American industries move back to America and to cut down your debt.

We are banking on a way forward. I think Doug threatening the export tariffs might hurt us as Trump could demand these states find local sources of energy which the U.S government could even subsidize for a short period which would further devastate the Ontario economy.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-global-tariffs-canada-1.7484790

After a lengthy meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump's top trade officials on Thursday, Canadian representatives say they have a clearer understanding of the rationale behind Trump's insistence on tariffs — not just on Canada but on the whole world.

"Tariffs are now a global policy of the United States," said David Paterson, Ontario's representative in Washington. "And this is a historic change to global trading patterns, and [the Americans are] very aware of that."

Paterson, along with Ontario Premier Doug Ford, Canada's ambassador to the U.S., Kirsten Hillman, and federal cabinet ministers, met with U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer — the point people on Trump's trade agenda.

In an interview on Power & Politics, Paterson told host David Cochrane that the Canadians and Americans had a 90-minute meeting and the first half-hour was "a master class" from Lutnick in breaking down the U.S. position on tariffs.

The focus of the U.S. government is dealing with its yearly deficit in federal spending, Paterson said. According to the U.S. Treasury Department, the federal government ran a $1.83 trillion US deficit in the 2024 fiscal year.

 

[okfine]

Your boy Donald has really done nobody good...

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/13/trumps-tariffs-boycott-usa-us-goods?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Once AGAIN............I'm stating what Trump has been saying for YEARS now............

He is a BUSINESSMAN and he is going to run the government like a BUSINESS, which he IS doing.

High tarriffs are a business ploy.

If you want something from someone that isn't willing to work with you to get what you want from them, you enact this kind of ploy.

These other countries don't want to give in to Trumps requests for getting what he wants for this country, so he's going to up the trade tarriffs until they decide to work with him, so he gets what he wants under his own negotiation terms.

Once they have made a deal and the paperwork is signed, he will lower or drop the tarriffs.
If they don't make the deal, then the tarriffs stay put.

It's a business ploy.

Geezus kryst you people know NOTHING about business!!!!!!!

 

[shockedcanadian]

Once AGAIN............I'm stating what Trump has been saying for YEARS now............

He is a BUSINESSMAN and he is going to run the government like a BUSINESS, which he IS doing.

High tarriffs are a business ploy.

If you want something from someone that isn't willing to work with you to get what you want from them, you enact this kind of ploy.

These other countries don't want to give in to Trumps requests for getting what he wants for this country, so he's going up the trade tarriffs until they decide to work with him, so he gets what he wants under his own negotiation terms.

Once they have made a deal and the paperwork is signed, he will lower or drop the tarriffs.
If they don't make the deal, then the tarriffs stay put.

It's a business ploy.

Geezus kryst you people know NOTHING about business!!!!!!!

It depends. If he sees this as a permanent means to raise income and bring industries back, he is just going to leave the USMCA and make individual bi-lateral agreements with Canada and Mexico to maximize U.S market access.

If Trump demands fair and equal access for U.S financial institutions, dairy markets, lumber, telecom among other industries, it will put Canada in a tight spot for sure since our protectionism that we complain the U.S engages in, has cost Canadian consumers countless amounts of money.

He already removed the $800 Duty Free that Canadians enjoyed after years of Canada limited extensively how much Canadians can bring back from the U.S duty free. This is long overdue,

Then there is the GST which hurts American companies among other taxes.

Trumps team is fully informed and if they have a competent team and present these details to the American People, Canadas protectionism will have to disappear.

Hell we STILL don't have free trade among provinces! It's a big racket over here and consumers are being destroyed when the covert Creepy Ones aren't destroying our kids.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

It depends. If he sees this as a permanent means to raise income and bring industries back, he is just going to leave the USMCA and make individual bi-lateral agreements with Canada and Mexico to maximize U.S market access.

If Trump demands fair and equal access for U.S financial institutions, dairy markets, lumber, telecom among other industries, it will put Canada in a tight spot for sure since our protectionism that we complain the U.S engages in, has cost Canadian consumers countless amounts of money.

He already removed the $800 Duty Free that Canadians enjoyed after years of Canada limited extensively how much Canadians can bring back from the U.S duty free. This is long overdue,

Then there is the GST which hurts American companies among other taxes.

Trumps team is fully informed and if they have a competent team and present these details to the American People, Canadas protectionism will have to disappear.

Hell we STILL don't have free trade among provinces! It's a big racket over here and consumers are being destroyed when the covert Creepy Ones aren't destroying our kids.

I have a friend that lives in Manatoba, and he keeps me informed of changes and whats going on.

So I hear its gotten pretty bad right now. Food prices are beyond tolerable for most people in Canada right now, so I'm hoping the next PM replacing that Cuban Tyrant in office now, will have enough sense to work with Trump to get things going again between our countries.

But we really won't know anything until after the next Canadian elections.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I have a friend that lives in Manatoba, and he keeps me informed of changes and whats going on.

So I hear its gotten pretty bad right now. Food prices are beyond tolerable for most people in Canada right now, so I'm hoping the next PM replacing that Cuban Tyrant in office now, will have enough sense to work with Trump to get things going again between our countries.

But we really won't know anything until after the next Canadian elections.

Canada has never been a free market economy. Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms are laughed at and violated freely by the Creepy Ones. Your agency realize this by now I assure you.

We take your jobs but don't offer many back. We suppress our dollar, we place barriers and grease the palms of your politicians and business leaders to send your jobs to us, especially in Ontario and Quebec. There was bound to be a U.S president one day after seeing a debt that is going to cause the U.S to become insolvent and forcing a change in our relationship. He is probably angry at himself for being naive in his first term. Biden undercut us as well with the signing of the I.R.A, they didnt want to lose EV business to us among other industries. Trump isn't the first president this is for certain. Ditto for Obama and Bushes term.

If our systems were the same we wouldn't lose our best and brightest as they would be free to innovate and drive the economy forward, instead it is a controlled economy, both covertly in YOUR corporations that over here and when they use the state to tamper with jobs and citizens lives from the cradle to the grave.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI had been negatively impacted by their close relationship with other Western agencies who are NOT like the U.S and not supportive of your Constitution. Your police agencies think you are in some honourable "joint operation" but in fact you are just supporting agencies in Canada who engage in the same unaccountable oppression that the Stasi did against their citizens.

I've shared all the sentiments with Canadian politicians that I share on here when I emailed U.S leaders and c.c Canadian officials so there isn't anything I share here I haven't with them directly. I'm not hiding, I've tried for decades for accountability and basic human rights. They can have creeps like Donald H and others spy on me here as I have been far more transparent than they ever would and they don't surprise me anymore.

Ontario is the domino that will fall first, it's a certainty. We are already essentially bankrupt. Quebec will shortly follow as they are just as dependent and subsidized. They need the industries that we took after NAFTA was signed. They need to be able to plant officials in management positions and to control the nepotism for their families and friends.

As I've sent to them in numerous emails "you are going to steal my home from me, but I suspect it is going to be the most expensive home in Canadian history. The value of my Whistleblowing after decades of begging for mercy and freedom will far surpass any harm they could ever do to one man. All the way back to Obamas term. They know this so it's not as if Canada can say "hey look, he landed a successful career that his skillset and ambition would warrant and lived happily ever after so it must have all be in his head. We didnt violate laws and spread hatred and harm against America".

These unprincipled, arrogant, G-dless criminals squeeze the weak until they suffocate. Well, it seems Trump is a much stronger adversary than some poor kid who has been fighting uphill against these animals all his life.

 

[BULLDOG]

It appears Lutnick probably spilled the beans that might help Canada get through these tariffs. With Mr. Leblanc there, the former Public Safety Minister who was once responsible for CSIS and the RCMP. I always thought it was a peculiar move to go from overseeing spy agencies to Finance Minister, I don't think he has business experience so it confirms what Americans probably know about Canadas centralized economic system.

Perhaps they recorded their meeting with Lutnick to dissect and analyze Canadas way forward once they returned home with the meeting details.

If Trump sticks to his guns, basically Ontario will shed, according to Doug Ford, up to 500k jobs. Who knows if this is true or not, but him stating that isn't going to deter Trump from staying the course in the face of global socialist pressure, it will ENCOURAGE him to stick with them as it would mean a massive boon for U.S employment if his estimates are correct.

They set up a second meeting next week so maybe Canada gets through this unscathed. I can't imagine Trump is as dug in as he says but he is unpredictable and seems committed to his desire to have American industries move back to America and to cut down your debt.

We are banking on a way forward. I think Doug threatening the export tariffs might hurt us as Trump could demand these states find local sources of energy which the U.S government could even subsidize for a short period which would further devastate the Ontario economy.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-global-tariffs-canada-1.7484790

After a lengthy meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump's top trade officials on Thursday, Canadian representatives say they have a clearer understanding of the rationale behind Trump's insistence on tariffs — not just on Canada but on the whole world.

"Tariffs are now a global policy of the United States," said David Paterson, Ontario's representative in Washington. "And this is a historic change to global trading patterns, and [the Americans are] very aware of that."

Paterson, along with Ontario Premier Doug Ford, Canada's ambassador to the U.S., Kirsten Hillman, and federal cabinet ministers, met with U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer — the point people on Trump's trade agenda.

In an interview on Power & Politics, Paterson told host David Cochrane that the Canadians and Americans had a 90-minute meeting and the first half-hour was "a master class" from Lutnick in breaking down the U.S. position on tariffs.

The focus of the U.S. government is dealing with its yearly deficit in federal spending, Paterson said. According to the U.S. Treasury Department, the federal government ran a $1.83 trillion US deficit in the 2024 fiscal year.

How long do you think it takes to build a power plant?

 

[shockedcanadian]

How long do you think it takes to build a power plant?

You don't have any power sources in America?

If you aren't able to be self sufficient, that's a real problem isn't it?

 

[BULLDOG]

You don't have any power sources in America?

If you aren't able to be self sufficient, that's a real problem isn't it?

Sure, we have power plants, but not enough in the right locations to immediately supply what Canada supplies now, on a regular basis. Again, how long do you think it would take to build power plants to supply what is currently being supplied by Canada?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Sure, we have power plants, but not enough in the right locations to immediately supply what Canada supplies now, on a regular basis. Again, how long do you think it would take to build power plants to supply what is currently being supplied by Canada?

However long it takes. Are you telling me you are fully dependent on Canada for your energy for millions? WIW.

Your military built a massive hospital during covid that operated on the water, so, if you put your mind and resources to it, I assume it can be built far faster than one would expect. If Trump declares it a national security issue, which it is really; it would speed up the process.

 

[BULLDOG]

However long it takes. Are you telling me you are fully dependent on Canada for your energy for millions? WIW.

Your military built a massive hospital during covid that operated on the water, so, if you put your mind and resources to it, I assume it can be built far faster than one would expect. If Trump declares it a national security issue, which it is really; it would speed up the process.

The existing hospital ships were moved to their locations during covid. They were built years earlier. Are you that stupid?

 

[shockedcanadian]

The existing hospital ships were moved to their locations during covid. They were built years earlier. Are you that stupid?

Yes I'm a stupid Canadian. Who is worse though, a dumb shyte like me or millions of Americans dependent on another nation for their energy needs? You do know that Premier Ford said he would cut off ALL of your energy and smile, right?

Search for it. He will cut off power to millions of Americans and smile. And I'm the dumb one?

Hmmm

 

[eagle1462010]

Yes I'm a stupid Canadian. Who is worse though, a dumb shyte like me or millions of Americans dependent on another nation for their energy needs? You do know that Premier Ford said he would cut off ALL of your energy and smile, right?

Search for it. He will cut off power to millions of Americans and smile. And I'm the dumb one?

Hmmm

The dumb ones are the green energy freaks both sides. Who CHANT OIL BAD and they have put themselves in a screwed up position.

Anyhow, we put DUCK TAPE over leftist mouths, CRANK UP THE PEAKER EVIL FOSSIL FUEL GENERATORS, and Canda's threat aint Shit.

Fast track gasturbines up there and in a year Canda loses 1.2 million customers.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes I'm a stupid Canadian. Who is worse though, a dumb shyte like me or millions of Americans dependent on another nation for their energy needs? You do know that Premier Ford said he would cut off ALL of your energy and smile, right?

Search for it. He will cut off power to millions of Americans and smile. And I'm the dumb one?

Hmmm

You're pretty dumb, but trump is the dumb one for starting all this crap for no reason.

 

[Michael1985]

I don't think even Trump himself knows what the endgame is.

 

[Delldude]

Trumps team is fully informed and if they have a competent team and present these details to the American People, Canadas protectionism will have to disappear.

The big problem here is, not only in Canada, buy all the other countries affected, their economies pretty much are based around being used to the US paying high tariffs and never saying anything. Looking like the times are a changing.

You're pretty dumb, but trump is the dumb one for starting all this crap for no reason.

See above reply ^^^^^

 

[shockedcanadian]

The big problem here is, not only in Canada, buy all the other countries affected, their economies pretty much are based around being used to the US paying high tariffs and never saying anything. Looking like the times are a changing.



See above reply ^^^^^

Actually, in the interest of honest transparency, Canada doesn't have a great deal of tariffs against the U.S, we do have protection of some industries and there are very high tariffs in those industries. We also apply quotas and a large amount of non-tariff barriers be it in banking, telecom etc.

Overall, our tariff numbers against America are low due to USMCA.

 

[Delldude]

Actually, in the interest of honest transparency, Canada doesn't have a great deal of tariffs against the U.S, we do have protection of some industries and there are very high tariffs in those industries. We also apply quotas and a large amount of non-tariff barriers be it in banking, telecom etc.

Overall, our tariff numbers against America are low due to USMCA.

That's a big part of the problem between us, protective tariffs. I'd say it's time to readdress the agreement..........

 

[Deadstick]

Sounds like market manipulation to me, i have a feeling a few Oligarchs made a killing this week.

 

[marvin martian]

It depends. If he sees this as a permanent means to raise income and bring industries back, he is just going to leave the USMCA and make individual bi-lateral agreements with Canada and Mexico to maximize U.S market access.

If Trump demands fair and equal access for U.S financial institutions, dairy markets, lumber, telecom among other industries, it will put Canada in a tight spot for sure since our protectionism that we complain the U.S engages in, has cost Canadian consumers countless amounts of money.

He already removed the $800 Duty Free that Canadians enjoyed after years of Canada limited extensively how much Canadians can bring back from the U.S duty free. This is long overdue,

Then there is the GST which hurts American companies among other taxes.

Trumps team is fully informed and if they have a competent team and present these details to the American People, Canadas protectionism will have to disappear.

Hell we STILL don't have free trade among provinces! It's a big racket over here and consumers are being destroyed when the covert Creepy Ones aren't destroying our kids.

Canada is now openly colluding with China against US interests.

As always, Trump has easily exposed who our real allies are, and who they are not.