What's the temperature, Kenneth

[IlarMeilyr]

Ah, I love climate change deniers who think they are smarter than 95% of the scientists in this field.

Ah. I adore you climate change proponents who think your lies and false propaganda ought to dissuade people from noting your bullshit.

I do deny that you have truth on your side when you resort to false data and data manipulation to "make" your claims on behalf of pure socialism.

You nutbars think you are smarter than you are, by far.

 

[Crick]

Ah, I love climate change deniers who think they are smarter than 95% of the scientists in this field.

Ah. I adore you climate change proponents who think your lies and false propaganda ought to dissuade people from noting your bullshit.

I do deny that you have truth on your side when you resort to false data and data manipulation to "make" your claims on behalf of pure socialism.

You nutbars think you are smarter than you are, by far.

Let's see some evidence supporting ANY of that bullshit.

 

[Old Rocks]

When one sees the claims that the scientists are falsifying data in order to support socialism, communism, a new world order, illuminati, or for the Boy Scouts, you know that you are dealing with an ignorant conspiracy theorist. Trouble is, they spread lies concerning what is really happening, and create a climate of distrust that results in neccessary steps not being taken.

 

[westwall]

When one sees the claims that the scientists are falsifying data in order to support socialism, communism, a new world order, illuminati, or for the Boy Scouts, you know that you are dealing with an ignorant conspiracy theorist. Trouble is, they spread lies concerning what is really happening, and create a climate of distrust that results in neccessary steps not being taken.

Feel free to show us ANYTHING that is being proposed that will reduce pollution. Anything.

Then show us any proposal that doesn't result in more government power. Just one will do.

Thanks!

 

[Old Rocks]

Research 5 Companies Positioned to Succeed in Grid-Scale Energy Storage Greentech Media

October 10, 2013


The energy storage industry is in the early stages of what will become a giant global market.

Energy storage will support and compete with conventional generation, transmission and distribution resources. As the industry evolves, new business models will emerge where companies make, apply and operate storage assets to allow the grid to work more reliably and cost-effectively while decreasing negative impacts.

For the past eight months I’ve been studying the grid-scale energy storage market in North America. GTM Research has published the results of my research in a special report, Grid-Scale Energy Storage Opportunities in North America. Based on my research, the following five companies seem especially well positioned to succeed in the emerging grid-scale energy storage market in North America.

US Wind Power Prices Down To 0.04 Per kWh CleanTechnica

Anyone who tells you wind power is expensive is bad-shit crazy. Wind power is the cheapest option for new electricity generation in many if not most places in the world, including much of the US. That would indeed help to explain why the US installed more wind power capacity than power capacity from any other source in 2012, 42% (or 43%?) of all new power capacity in the country.

In announcing a recent report released by the US Department of Energy (DOE) and prepared by Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab), Berkeley Lab actually noted that, “The prices offered by wind projects to utility purchasers averaged $40/MWh for projects negotiating contracts 2011 and 2012, spurring demand for wind energy.”

That’s $0.04 per kWh. Even if you add in the $0.022 Production Tax Credit (PTC), that’s $0.062 per kWh.

Cheapest Solar Ever Austin Energy Gets 1.2 Gigawatts of Solar Bids for Less Than 4 Cents Greentech Media

A lot more cheap solar is coming for Austin, Texas.

The city's utility, Austin Energy, just released new data on developer bids for PV projects as part of a 600-megawatt procurement. The numbers show how far solar prices have come down over the last year -- and will continue to drop.

According to Khalil Shalabi, Austin Energy's vice president of resource planning, the utility received offers for 7,976 megawatts of projects after issuing a request for bids in April. Out of those bids, 1,295 megawatts of projects were priced below 4 cents per kilowatt-hour.

There you go, Mr. Westwall, not just being proposed, being done as we post. And the President's renewable energy program is paying off big time, you 'Conservatives' were completely wrong, and still are.

 

[Old Rocks]

Solar Market Insight Report 2015 Q1
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The quarterly SEIA/GTM Research U.S. Solar Market Insight™ report shows the major trends in the U.S. solar industry. Learn more about the U.S. Solar Market Insight Report.

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• The U.S. installed 1,306 MWdc of solar PV in Q1 2015, marking the sixth consecutive quarter in which the U.S. added more than 1 GWdc of PV installations.
• Through Q1 2015, nearly one-fourth of cumulative residential solar installations have now come on-line without any state incentive.
• The residential and utility PV market segments each added more capacity than the natural gas industry brought on-line in Q1 2015.
• Collectively, more than 51% of all new electric generating capacity in the U.S. came from solar in Q1 2015.
• Of the 68 MWdc of community solar installations to date, more than one-third of that total has come on-line since 2014.
• More than 5 GWdc of centralized PV has now been procured by utilities based on solar’s economic competitiveness with fossil-fuel alternatives.
• We forecast that PV installations will reach 7.9 GWdc in 2015, up 27% over 2014. Growth will occur in all segments, but will be most rapid in the residential market.
• 2014 was the largest year ever for concentrating solar power, with 767 MWac brought on-line. The next notable CSP project slated for completion is SolarReserve’s 110 MWac Crescent Dunes, which entered the commissioning phase in 2014 and is expected to become fully operational before the end of 2015.

Solar Market Insight Report 2015 Q1 SEIA

It looks as if solar is doing very well indeed.

 

[mamooth]

Can you explain to us how it is ".5C 'warmer'" when no one was keeping records accurate to half a degree in the past

First, people were keeping records that accurate.

Second, you don't need to have individual records that accurate in order for the average to be that accurate. Statistics. If the error of one measurement is +/- 1, the error of the average of a hundred such measurements will be +/- 0.1. Error goes down proportionally to the square root of the number of measurements.

 

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[JoeB131]

Feel free to show us ANYTHING that is being proposed that will reduce pollution. Anything.

Then show us any proposal that doesn't result in more government power. Just one will do.

Thanks!

The problem is the first is easily acheived. Mandetory emission rates, no more SUV Loophole, replace coal with nuclear and other energy... all of these things would reduce the carbon footprint. make trade treaties contingent on reaching these goals.

The second, though, is kind of your hangup. I don't have a problem with the government having more power to make these things happen, mostly because I don't trust the market to regulate itself.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

 

[westwall]

Feel free to show us ANYTHING that is being proposed that will reduce pollution. Anything.

Then show us any proposal that doesn't result in more government power. Just one will do.

Thanks!

The problem is the first is easily acheived. Mandetory emission rates, no more SUV Loophole, replace coal with nuclear and other energy... all of these things would reduce the carbon footprint. make trade treaties contingent on reaching these goals.

The second, though, is kind of your hangup. I don't have a problem with the government having more power to make these things happen, mostly because I don't trust the market to regulate itself.

Wrong. None of those actually prevent pollution. You merely have to pay more to do it. Try again.

 

[Old Rocks]

Now Mr. Westwall, you know that is a lie. Wind is below 4 cents per kw and has been for a while. Solar just broke below 4 cents, while coal remains, dirty coal at that, 6.6 cents per kw, and gas at 6.1 cents per kw. Not only that, but the grid scale batteries make them 24/7.

Both wind and solar continue to decline in price, and there are no external cost with them as there is with coal, and even gas.

 

[westwall]

Now Mr. Westwall, you know that is a lie. Wind is below 4 cents per kw and has been for a while. Solar just broke below 4 cents, while coal remains, dirty coal at that, 6.6 cents per kw, and gas at 6.1 cents per kw. Not only that, but the grid scale batteries make them 24/7.

Both wind and solar continue to decline in price, and there are no external cost with them as there is with coal, and even gas.

Now Mr. Westwall, you know that is a lie. Wind is below 4 cents per kw and has been for a while. Solar just broke below 4 cents, while coal remains, dirty coal at that, 6.6 cents per kw, and gas at 6.1 cents per kw. Not only that, but the grid scale batteries make them 24/7.

Both wind and solar continue to decline in price, and there are no external cost with them as there is with coal, and even gas.

Nothing that is being proposed reduces pollution. You ignore the pollution that is created to MAKE the wind mills. Further you ignore the times that the mills are immobile which factors into the cost benefit analysis used to figure the pollution savings. Windmills spend most of their time not doing anything.

Grid scale batteries are incredibly polluting to manufacture. The fact that it is done in the third world so it is brown people who are dying doesn't negate the fact that they pollute. You just turn a blind eye to it because you can't see it.

Shoving your head down a hole, like the ostrich you are, doesn't negate reality.

 

[Crick]

Westwall, any claim that wind or solar power systems create more pollution that fossil fuel technology is nothing but a bald-faced lie.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong. None of those actually prevent pollution. You merely have to pay more to do it. Try again.

In your original post, you said "reduce" pollution. Now you are moving the goalposts to "prevent" pollution.

clearly, if we reduced the number of cars on the road, and reduced the amount of fuel the produce, and replaced coal burning plants with nuclear plants or hydro-electric or wind farms, that would reduce the amount of carbon dioxide being put into the air. enough to allow the natural methods of the carbon cycle to cope with it.

That said, and the reason why it's questionable to continue this conversation is, that you are kind of impervious to reason or compromise. No amount of evidence that this would be a good thing would convince you that we need more government to implement it. I could show you charts all day, scientific studies, etc. and you'd be all like "I don't want no more gummit in my life!!!"

So what would be the point, really?

 

[SSDD]

Well, here's the thing. If my App said it was 83 degrees outside and I walked out the door and it was freezing cold, then, yeah, I'd question it.

So you would never know whether or not your app was off by a fraction of a degree...which is precisely what this whole farce is about...a fraction of a degree. most of which are artifacts resulting from unexplained, unjustified adjustment to the data record.

Can you give me a scientifically valid reason for altering the temperature record from 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 40 years ago? 50 years ago? More than 50 years ago?

 

[JoeB131]

So you would never know whether or not your app was off by a fraction of a degree...which is precisely what this whole farce is about...a fraction of a degree. most of which are artifacts resulting from unexplained, unjustified adjustment to the data record.

Can you give me a scientifically valid reason for altering the temperature record from 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 40 years ago? 50 years ago? More than 50 years ago?

Again, weather isn't climate.

I can tell you that winters here in Chicago are a lot more mild then when I was a teenager back in the 1970's, when we used to have snowstorms so bad the streets were impassable for weeks. It would start snowing in November and just wouldn't let up.

Now we are lucky if we see snow in January.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So you would never know whether or not your app was off by a fraction of a degree...which is precisely what this whole farce is about...a fraction of a degree. most of which are artifacts resulting from unexplained, unjustified adjustment to the data record.

Can you give me a scientifically valid reason for altering the temperature record from 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 40 years ago? 50 years ago? More than 50 years ago?

Again, weather isn't climate.

I can tell you that winters here in Chicago are a lot more mild then when I was a teenager back in the 1970's, when we used to have snowstorms so bad the streets were impassable for weeks. It would start snowing in November and just wouldn't let up.

Now we are lucky if we see snow in January.

Don't even go there, granted have not lived in the area since 2004, but from 1965 till 2004 we only had two major snow storms 69? And 1978. I laughed my ass off people started to buy all these snowmobile and stuff, the winter was mild after 1978 (snow wise) only a few inches a year.

 

[JoeB131]

Don't even go there, granted have not lived in the area since 2004, but from 1965 till 2004 we only had two major snow storms 69? And 1978. I laughed my ass off people started to buy all these snowmobile and stuff, the winter was mild after 1978 (snow wise) only a few inches a year.

Did you miss the winter of 1979? The one where it snowed so bad we tossed poor Mayor Bilandic out on his ass?

 

[BlackSand]

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