CDZ What's more important, gun's and ammo or PRIVACY ??

[jackflash]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

You know what? I think you might be the first person who has admitted the reason behind a lot of the fear that white people have always had of blacks. But the hypocrisy of it is what is astounding.

You just admitted that white people didn't want black people to have guns so that they couldn't come after them although that's guilt talking. It goes so much further than that. What they didn't want and still in 2020 don't want is for black people to have the ability to legally shoot and kill white people, not even in self-defense. And if a black person took the risk of being arrested for violating the gun laws that the white supremacist ruling class had in place, then they risked being returned to captivity for attempting to exercise the same human right to self-defense that whites had even in face of a very specific threat (the Klan)

And while you're laughing as if I made this all up, how much do you know about the convict leasing systems that were put in place after the end of slavery and all of the vagrancy laws that allowed the local racist white ruling class to return black people to captivity for a bunch of petty and bullshit reasons?

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws --and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites....​

https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29094/the-racist-roots-of-gun-control.pdf​

​

Convict Leasing​

"Building on their studies of emancipation, Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction ''New South,'' Mr. Oshinsky places the story of Mississippi's notorious Parchman prison farm in the context of sharecropping, convict leasing, lynching and the legalized segregation that replaced slavery. In vigorous, hard-hitting prose, he exposes the nature of the new system of race relations that was indeed worse in some ways than the kind abolished in 1865.​

​

Yet this book makes clear that Parchman in its heyday as a prison farm was not the worst part of this new slavery. Actually, it may have been one of the least of the evils that characterized Mississippi's racial injustice. Mr. Oshinsky portrays Mississippi as consistently the nation's most violent state from the 1830's to the 1930's. Its frontier status in the early years of the antebellum cotton boom produced an astonishing crop of murders, duels, cuttings and gougings among white men. It also produced record crops of cotton grown by slaves working in a brutally repressive plantation system.​

​

During Reconstruction the Ku Klux Klan and local rifle clubs murdered hundreds of freed slaves, now Republican voters, in the successful effort to make Mississippi safe for the Democratic Party. In the New South Mississippi led the nation ''in every imaginable kind of mob atrocity: most lynchings, most multiple lynchings, most lynchings of women, most lynchings without an arrest, most lynchings of a victim in police custody and most public support for the process itself.'' Nearly half a century later, in the 1930's, ''Mississippians earned less, killed more and died younger than other Americans. They were five times more likely to be illiterate than a Pennsylvanian and ten times more likely to take another person's life.''​

​

This culture of violence provided the setting for the most infamous form of criminal justice in American history, the convict leasing system that prevailed in most Southern states for a generation or more after emancipation. Not surprisingly, Mississippi invented convict leasing. Under slavery, black criminals had been punished on the plantation. Virtually the only jail inmates were whites. The Civil War destroyed many jails and penitentiaries, while emancipation more than doubled the free population. The crime wave and political violence that accompanied Reconstruction overwhelmed the few and inadequate jails. In desperation, Mississippi and other states turned to an expedient that quickly became an institution: the leasing of convicted criminals to private contractors, who paid a fee to the state and agreed to feed, clothe and shelter the convicts during their term of punishment.​

​

But the motives of lessees were most emphatically not altruistic; they were in this business for profit. They used convicts to build railroads, to mine coal and iron, and to fell timber, make turpentine, clear land and grow cotton. Since nearly all leased convicts were black, few whites cared what happened to them. And if the supply of convicts fell below the demand, compliant legislators and country sheriffs stood ready to increase the supply. In 1876 the Mississippi legislature enacted the egregious ''pig law'' defining the theft of a farm animal or any property valued at $10 or more as grand larceny, punishable by up to five years in state prison. The convict population quadrupled overnight. Many contractors made fortunes from the cheap labor that they could exploit with impunity. Slaves had at least possessed the protection of their value as property; the lives of black convicts had no value in the eyes of whites. Mortality rates in convict camps rose to shocking levels. The death rate among convicts in Mississippi during the 1880's ranged from 9 to 16 percent annually. ''Not a single leased convict,'' Mr. Oshinsky notes, ''ever lived long enough to serve a sentence of 10 years or more.''​

​

It was this system, not the Parchman prison, that the Southern reformer George Washington Cable described as ''worse than slavery.'' By the 1880's the barbarism of convict leasing had become an embarrassment even to white Mississippians. Reformers in all Southern states crusaded against the system. By the early 20th century they had succeeded in getting it abolished almost everywhere, though in several states it was replaced by state or county chain gangs -- not necessarily a great improvement."​

Continued here: The New York Times: Book Review Search Article​

​

Yawn...

BOTH!

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

You know what? I think you might be the first person who has admitted the reason behind a lot of the fear that white people have always had of blacks. But the hypocrisy of it is what is astounding.

You just admitted that white people didn't want black people to have guns so that they couldn't come after them although that's guilt talking. It goes so much further than that. What they didn't want and still in 2020 don't want is for black people to have the ability to legally shoot and kill white people, not even in self-defense. And if a black person took the risk of being arrested for violating the gun laws that the white supremacist ruling class had in place, then they risked being returned to captivity for attempting to exercise the same human right to self-defense that whites had even in face of a very specific threat (the Klan)

And while you're laughing as if I made this all up, how much do you know about the convict leasing systems that were put in place after the end of slavery and all of the vagrancy laws that allowed the local racist white ruling class to return black people to captivity for a bunch of petty and bullshit reasons?

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws --and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites....​

https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29094/the-racist-roots-of-gun-control.pdf​

​

Convict Leasing​

"Building on their studies of emancipation, Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction ''New South,'' Mr. Oshinsky places the story of Mississippi's notorious Parchman prison farm in the context of sharecropping, convict leasing, lynching and the legalized segregation that replaced slavery. In vigorous, hard-hitting prose, he exposes the nature of the new system of race relations that was indeed worse in some ways than the kind abolished in 1865.​

​

Yet this book makes clear that Parchman in its heyday as a prison farm was not the worst part of this new slavery. Actually, it may have been one of the least of the evils that characterized Mississippi's racial injustice. Mr. Oshinsky portrays Mississippi as consistently the nation's most violent state from the 1830's to the 1930's. Its frontier status in the early years of the antebellum cotton boom produced an astonishing crop of murders, duels, cuttings and gougings among white men. It also produced record crops of cotton grown by slaves working in a brutally repressive plantation system.​

​

During Reconstruction the Ku Klux Klan and local rifle clubs murdered hundreds of freed slaves, now Republican voters, in the successful effort to make Mississippi safe for the Democratic Party. In the New South Mississippi led the nation ''in every imaginable kind of mob atrocity: most lynchings, most multiple lynchings, most lynchings of women, most lynchings without an arrest, most lynchings of a victim in police custody and most public support for the process itself.'' Nearly half a century later, in the 1930's, ''Mississippians earned less, killed more and died younger than other Americans. They were five times more likely to be illiterate than a Pennsylvanian and ten times more likely to take another person's life.''​

​

This culture of violence provided the setting for the most infamous form of criminal justice in American history, the convict leasing system that prevailed in most Southern states for a generation or more after emancipation. Not surprisingly, Mississippi invented convict leasing. Under slavery, black criminals had been punished on the plantation. Virtually the only jail inmates were whites. The Civil War destroyed many jails and penitentiaries, while emancipation more than doubled the free population. The crime wave and political violence that accompanied Reconstruction overwhelmed the few and inadequate jails. In desperation, Mississippi and other states turned to an expedient that quickly became an institution: the leasing of convicted criminals to private contractors, who paid a fee to the state and agreed to feed, clothe and shelter the convicts during their term of punishment.​

​

But the motives of lessees were most emphatically not altruistic; they were in this business for profit. They used convicts to build railroads, to mine coal and iron, and to fell timber, make turpentine, clear land and grow cotton. Since nearly all leased convicts were black, few whites cared what happened to them. And if the supply of convicts fell below the demand, compliant legislators and country sheriffs stood ready to increase the supply. In 1876 the Mississippi legislature enacted the egregious ''pig law'' defining the theft of a farm animal or any property valued at $10 or more as grand larceny, punishable by up to five years in state prison. The convict population quadrupled overnight. Many contractors made fortunes from the cheap labor that they could exploit with impunity. Slaves had at least possessed the protection of their value as property; the lives of black convicts had no value in the eyes of whites. Mortality rates in convict camps rose to shocking levels. The death rate among convicts in Mississippi during the 1880's ranged from 9 to 16 percent annually. ''Not a single leased convict,'' Mr. Oshinsky notes, ''ever lived long enough to serve a sentence of 10 years or more.''​

​

It was this system, not the Parchman prison, that the Southern reformer George Washington Cable described as ''worse than slavery.'' By the 1880's the barbarism of convict leasing had become an embarrassment even to white Mississippians. Reformers in all Southern states crusaded against the system. By the early 20th century they had succeeded in getting it abolished almost everywhere, though in several states it was replaced by state or county chain gangs -- not necessarily a great improvement."​

Continued here: The New York Times: Book Review Search Article​

​

Yawn...

BOTH!

We've never had guns in Britain, and though there may be many demands on government, guns will never be one of them. With around half a million gun related deaths in the US since 2000, I wonder how all those dead are finding their total privacy inflicted by others?

 

[Blues Man]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

When were any of us asked if we would like to retain our privacy? When were any of us asked for permission to gather data on every aspect of our lives so that the people doing the gathering can then make money off of us by selling our information?

The police have always had access to our private information as have the credit bureaus. They're the ones who sell it to everyone else including in cases law enforcement.

It's way worse than what you've outlined here. There are companies that track vehicles and sell that data. We just got notification of a investigation into a bunch of professional organization who have routinely been violating the laws regarding privacy of DMV records in the state of California.

It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle and it's much much worse than most people are aware and in many cases deceit was used to allegedly obtain consent in some of the cases. Anytime a company tells you your consent is irrevocable, you should run for the hills.

you give that permission every single time you click on the I agree with the terms of service button.

 

[beagle9]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

You know what? I think you might be the first person who has admitted the reason behind a lot of the fear that white people have always had of blacks. But the hypocrisy of it is what is astounding.

You just admitted that white people didn't want black people to have guns so that they couldn't come after them although that's guilt talking. It goes so much further than that. What they didn't want and still in 2020 don't want is for black people to have the ability to legally shoot and kill white people, not even in self-defense. And if a black person took the risk of being arrested for violating the gun laws that the white supremacist ruling class had in place, then they risked being returned to captivity for attempting to exercise the same human right to self-defense that whites had even in face of a very specific threat (the Klan)

And while you're laughing as if I made this all up, how much do you know about the convict leasing systems that were put in place after the end of slavery and all of the vagrancy laws that allowed the local racist white ruling class to return black people to captivity for a bunch of petty and bullshit reasons?

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws --and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites....​

https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29094/the-racist-roots-of-gun-control.pdf​

​

Convict Leasing​

"Building on their studies of emancipation, Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction ''New South,'' Mr. Oshinsky places the story of Mississippi's notorious Parchman prison farm in the context of sharecropping, convict leasing, lynching and the legalized segregation that replaced slavery. In vigorous, hard-hitting prose, he exposes the nature of the new system of race relations that was indeed worse in some ways than the kind abolished in 1865.​

​

Yet this book makes clear that Parchman in its heyday as a prison farm was not the worst part of this new slavery. Actually, it may have been one of the least of the evils that characterized Mississippi's racial injustice. Mr. Oshinsky portrays Mississippi as consistently the nation's most violent state from the 1830's to the 1930's. Its frontier status in the early years of the antebellum cotton boom produced an astonishing crop of murders, duels, cuttings and gougings among white men. It also produced record crops of cotton grown by slaves working in a brutally repressive plantation system.​

​

During Reconstruction the Ku Klux Klan and local rifle clubs murdered hundreds of freed slaves, now Republican voters, in the successful effort to make Mississippi safe for the Democratic Party. In the New South Mississippi led the nation ''in every imaginable kind of mob atrocity: most lynchings, most multiple lynchings, most lynchings of women, most lynchings without an arrest, most lynchings of a victim in police custody and most public support for the process itself.'' Nearly half a century later, in the 1930's, ''Mississippians earned less, killed more and died younger than other Americans. They were five times more likely to be illiterate than a Pennsylvanian and ten times more likely to take another person's life.''​

​

This culture of violence provided the setting for the most infamous form of criminal justice in American history, the convict leasing system that prevailed in most Southern states for a generation or more after emancipation. Not surprisingly, Mississippi invented convict leasing. Under slavery, black criminals had been punished on the plantation. Virtually the only jail inmates were whites. The Civil War destroyed many jails and penitentiaries, while emancipation more than doubled the free population. The crime wave and political violence that accompanied Reconstruction overwhelmed the few and inadequate jails. In desperation, Mississippi and other states turned to an expedient that quickly became an institution: the leasing of convicted criminals to private contractors, who paid a fee to the state and agreed to feed, clothe and shelter the convicts during their term of punishment.​

​

But the motives of lessees were most emphatically not altruistic; they were in this business for profit. They used convicts to build railroads, to mine coal and iron, and to fell timber, make turpentine, clear land and grow cotton. Since nearly all leased convicts were black, few whites cared what happened to them. And if the supply of convicts fell below the demand, compliant legislators and country sheriffs stood ready to increase the supply. In 1876 the Mississippi legislature enacted the egregious ''pig law'' defining the theft of a farm animal or any property valued at $10 or more as grand larceny, punishable by up to five years in state prison. The convict population quadrupled overnight. Many contractors made fortunes from the cheap labor that they could exploit with impunity. Slaves had at least possessed the protection of their value as property; the lives of black convicts had no value in the eyes of whites. Mortality rates in convict camps rose to shocking levels. The death rate among convicts in Mississippi during the 1880's ranged from 9 to 16 percent annually. ''Not a single leased convict,'' Mr. Oshinsky notes, ''ever lived long enough to serve a sentence of 10 years or more.''​

​

It was this system, not the Parchman prison, that the Southern reformer George Washington Cable described as ''worse than slavery.'' By the 1880's the barbarism of convict leasing had become an embarrassment even to white Mississippians. Reformers in all Southern states crusaded against the system. By the early 20th century they had succeeded in getting it abolished almost everywhere, though in several states it was replaced by state or county chain gangs -- not necessarily a great improvement."​

Continued here: The New York Times: Book Review Search Article​

​

Yawn...

BOTH!

We've never had guns in Britain, and though there may be many demands on government, guns will never be one of them. With around half a million gun related deaths in the US since 2000, I wonder how all those dead are finding their total privacy inflicted by others?

Give us some percentages on who exactly is dead, and who it is that's still alive in the gun battles, otherwise if you are an expert on American affairs.

 

[beagle9]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

When were any of us asked if we would like to retain our privacy? When were any of us asked for permission to gather data on every aspect of our lives so that the people doing the gathering can then make money off of us by selling our information?

The police have always had access to our private information as have the credit bureaus. They're the ones who sell it to everyone else including in cases law enforcement.

It's way worse than what you've outlined here. There are companies that track vehicles and sell that data. We just got notification of a investigation into a bunch of professional organization who have routinely been violating the laws regarding privacy of DMV records in the state of California.

It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle and it's much much worse than most people are aware and in many cases deceit was used to allegedly obtain consent in some of the cases. Anytime a company tells you your consent is irrevocable, you should run for the hills.

you give that permission every single time you click on the I agree with the terms of service button.

Yeah, and the problem with that is that if you don't agree, then you get no service. But what are they making people agree to in order to get their services ??? The loss of one's privacy for starters ????

 

[danielpalos]

I don't believe we would have the same problems if our legislators would faithfully execute our own laws.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We already know the unorganized militia is worthless to the security of our free States.

 

[beagle9]

I don't believe we would have the same problems if our legislators would faithfully execute our own laws.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We already know the unorganized militia is worthless to the security of our free States.

Why are they unorganized?? Is it that they are being led in some cases by radicals who are sometimes as scatter brained as the one's they are trying to defend against ??

The feds are supposed to represent the nation in the best light, and they aren't supposed to be influenced by any radical group who might attempt to use them for their own agenda's. However, it still depends on who gains power over the feds, and in which ways that the feds are led determines the outcomes be it good or bad. For quite sometime the feds have been a work in progress by those with an agenda, and for whom wish to somehow change the entire concept of America by way of using the strong arm of the fed to do it.

Can't let that happen folks, so the best is to vote for reps that represent the country in it's best light, and stay away from radicals with one track agenda's at play.

Trump 2020... MAG-Always.

 

[Blues Man]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

When were any of us asked if we would like to retain our privacy? When were any of us asked for permission to gather data on every aspect of our lives so that the people doing the gathering can then make money off of us by selling our information?

The police have always had access to our private information as have the credit bureaus. They're the ones who sell it to everyone else including in cases law enforcement.

It's way worse than what you've outlined here. There are companies that track vehicles and sell that data. We just got notification of a investigation into a bunch of professional organization who have routinely been violating the laws regarding privacy of DMV records in the state of California.

It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle and it's much much worse than most people are aware and in many cases deceit was used to allegedly obtain consent in some of the cases. Anytime a company tells you your consent is irrevocable, you should run for the hills.

you give that permission every single time you click on the I agree with the terms of service button.

Yeah, and the problem with that is that if you don't agree, then you get no service. But what are they making people agree to in order to get their services ??? The loss of one's privacy for starters ????

What service?

Most of the privacy issues come from search engines and social media.

There are search engines that don't track you and you can use aliases on social media.

My entire on line presence is not attached to my name at all.

I even use an alias on Amazon

 

[danielpalos]

I don't believe we would have the same problems if our legislators would faithfully execute our own laws.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We already know the unorganized militia is worthless to the security of our free States.

Why are they unorganized?? Is it that they are being led in some cases by radicals who are sometimes as scatter brained as the one's they are trying to defend against ??

The feds are supposed to represent the nation in the best light, and they aren't supposed to be influenced by any radical group who might attempt to use them for their own agenda's. However, it still depends on who gains power over the feds, and in which ways that the feds are led determines the outcomes be it good or bad. For quite sometime the feds have been a work in progress by those with an agenda, and for whom wish to somehow change the entire concept of America by way of using the strong arm of the fed to do it.

Can't let that happen folks, so the best is to vote for reps that represent the country in it's best light, and stay away from radicals with one track agenda's at play.

Trump 2020... MAG-Always.

There is no chain of command with the unorganized militia. A mob of people. Organized militia have clearly delineated leadership who come up with goals, plans and operational objectives.

 

[beagle9]

I don't believe we would have the same problems if our legislators would faithfully execute our own laws.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We already know the unorganized militia is worthless to the security of our free States.

Why are they unorganized?? Is it that they are being led in some cases by radicals who are sometimes as scatter brained as the one's they are trying to defend against ??

The feds are supposed to represent the nation in the best light, and they aren't supposed to be influenced by any radical group who might attempt to use them for their own agenda's. However, it still depends on who gains power over the feds, and in which ways that the feds are led determines the outcomes be it good or bad. For quite sometime the feds have been a work in progress by those with an agenda, and for whom wish to somehow change the entire concept of America by way of using the strong arm of the fed to do it.

Can't let that happen folks, so the best is to vote for reps that represent the country in it's best light, and stay away from radicals with one track agenda's at play.

Trump 2020... MAG-Always.

There is no chain of command with the unorganized militia. A mob of people. Organized militia have clearly delineated leadership who come up with goals, plans and operational objectives.

And who is an unorganized militia today ??

 

[danielpalos]

I don't believe we would have the same problems if our legislators would faithfully execute our own laws.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We already know the unorganized militia is worthless to the security of our free States.

Why are they unorganized?? Is it that they are being led in some cases by radicals who are sometimes as scatter brained as the one's they are trying to defend against ??

The feds are supposed to represent the nation in the best light, and they aren't supposed to be influenced by any radical group who might attempt to use them for their own agenda's. However, it still depends on who gains power over the feds, and in which ways that the feds are led determines the outcomes be it good or bad. For quite sometime the feds have been a work in progress by those with an agenda, and for whom wish to somehow change the entire concept of America by way of using the strong arm of the fed to do it.

Can't let that happen folks, so the best is to vote for reps that represent the country in it's best light, and stay away from radicals with one track agenda's at play.

Trump 2020... MAG-Always.

There is no chain of command with the unorganized militia. A mob of people. Organized militia have clearly delineated leadership who come up with goals, plans and operational objectives.

And who is an unorganized militia today ??

The people causing most of our problems today.

 

[miketx]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

But your stupid ass will keep voting for the people responsible for it all.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

American citizens are in possession of millions upon millions of firearms and billions if not trillions of rounds of ammo.

What (if anything) has that done to protect our privacy and rights so far?

Seems to me in spite of all the gun ownership, privacy and our rights are trampled at will daily.

FAR more important than gun ownership is the basic will to make sacrifices for your freedom. No pain = no gain.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

You know what? I think you might be the first person who has admitted the reason behind a lot of the fear that white people have always had of blacks. But the hypocrisy of it is what is astounding.

You just admitted that white people didn't want black people to have guns so that they couldn't come after them although that's guilt talking. It goes so much further than that. What they didn't want and still in 2020 don't want is for black people to have the ability to legally shoot and kill white people, not even in self-defense. And if a black person took the risk of being arrested for violating the gun laws that the white supremacist ruling class had in place, then they risked being returned to captivity for attempting to exercise the same human right to self-defense that whites had even in face of a very specific threat (the Klan)

And while you're laughing as if I made this all up, how much do you know about the convict leasing systems that were put in place after the end of slavery and all of the vagrancy laws that allowed the local racist white ruling class to return black people to captivity for a bunch of petty and bullshit reasons?

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws --and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites....​

https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29094/the-racist-roots-of-gun-control.pdf​

​

Convict Leasing​

"Building on their studies of emancipation, Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction ''New South,'' Mr. Oshinsky places the story of Mississippi's notorious Parchman prison farm in the context of sharecropping, convict leasing, lynching and the legalized segregation that replaced slavery. In vigorous, hard-hitting prose, he exposes the nature of the new system of race relations that was indeed worse in some ways than the kind abolished in 1865.​

​

Yet this book makes clear that Parchman in its heyday as a prison farm was not the worst part of this new slavery. Actually, it may have been one of the least of the evils that characterized Mississippi's racial injustice. Mr. Oshinsky portrays Mississippi as consistently the nation's most violent state from the 1830's to the 1930's. Its frontier status in the early years of the antebellum cotton boom produced an astonishing crop of murders, duels, cuttings and gougings among white men. It also produced record crops of cotton grown by slaves working in a brutally repressive plantation system.​

​

During Reconstruction the Ku Klux Klan and local rifle clubs murdered hundreds of freed slaves, now Republican voters, in the successful effort to make Mississippi safe for the Democratic Party. In the New South Mississippi led the nation ''in every imaginable kind of mob atrocity: most lynchings, most multiple lynchings, most lynchings of women, most lynchings without an arrest, most lynchings of a victim in police custody and most public support for the process itself.'' Nearly half a century later, in the 1930's, ''Mississippians earned less, killed more and died younger than other Americans. They were five times more likely to be illiterate than a Pennsylvanian and ten times more likely to take another person's life.''​

​

This culture of violence provided the setting for the most infamous form of criminal justice in American history, the convict leasing system that prevailed in most Southern states for a generation or more after emancipation. Not surprisingly, Mississippi invented convict leasing. Under slavery, black criminals had been punished on the plantation. Virtually the only jail inmates were whites. The Civil War destroyed many jails and penitentiaries, while emancipation more than doubled the free population. The crime wave and political violence that accompanied Reconstruction overwhelmed the few and inadequate jails. In desperation, Mississippi and other states turned to an expedient that quickly became an institution: the leasing of convicted criminals to private contractors, who paid a fee to the state and agreed to feed, clothe and shelter the convicts during their term of punishment.​

​

But the motives of lessees were most emphatically not altruistic; they were in this business for profit. They used convicts to build railroads, to mine coal and iron, and to fell timber, make turpentine, clear land and grow cotton. Since nearly all leased convicts were black, few whites cared what happened to them. And if the supply of convicts fell below the demand, compliant legislators and country sheriffs stood ready to increase the supply. In 1876 the Mississippi legislature enacted the egregious ''pig law'' defining the theft of a farm animal or any property valued at $10 or more as grand larceny, punishable by up to five years in state prison. The convict population quadrupled overnight. Many contractors made fortunes from the cheap labor that they could exploit with impunity. Slaves had at least possessed the protection of their value as property; the lives of black convicts had no value in the eyes of whites. Mortality rates in convict camps rose to shocking levels. The death rate among convicts in Mississippi during the 1880's ranged from 9 to 16 percent annually. ''Not a single leased convict,'' Mr. Oshinsky notes, ''ever lived long enough to serve a sentence of 10 years or more.''​

​

It was this system, not the Parchman prison, that the Southern reformer George Washington Cable described as ''worse than slavery.'' By the 1880's the barbarism of convict leasing had become an embarrassment even to white Mississippians. Reformers in all Southern states crusaded against the system. By the early 20th century they had succeeded in getting it abolished almost everywhere, though in several states it was replaced by state or county chain gangs -- not necessarily a great improvement."​

Continued here: The New York Times: Book Review Search Article​

​

Yawn...

BOTH!

We've never had guns in Britain, and though there may be many demands on government, guns will never be one of them. With around half a million gun related deaths in the US since 2000, I wonder how all those dead are finding their total privacy inflicted by others?

The UK has become a hell hole. Crime statistics are not openly shared.
I would rather live in Somalia.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

You know what? I think you might be the first person who has admitted the reason behind a lot of the fear that white people have always had of blacks. But the hypocrisy of it is what is astounding.

You just admitted that white people didn't want black people to have guns so that they couldn't come after them although that's guilt talking. It goes so much further than that. What they didn't want and still in 2020 don't want is for black people to have the ability to legally shoot and kill white people, not even in self-defense. And if a black person took the risk of being arrested for violating the gun laws that the white supremacist ruling class had in place, then they risked being returned to captivity for attempting to exercise the same human right to self-defense that whites had even in face of a very specific threat (the Klan)

And while you're laughing as if I made this all up, how much do you know about the convict leasing systems that were put in place after the end of slavery and all of the vagrancy laws that allowed the local racist white ruling class to return black people to captivity for a bunch of petty and bullshit reasons?

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws --and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites....​

https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29094/the-racist-roots-of-gun-control.pdf​

​

Convict Leasing​

"Building on their studies of emancipation, Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction ''New South,'' Mr. Oshinsky places the story of Mississippi's notorious Parchman prison farm in the context of sharecropping, convict leasing, lynching and the legalized segregation that replaced slavery. In vigorous, hard-hitting prose, he exposes the nature of the new system of race relations that was indeed worse in some ways than the kind abolished in 1865.​

​

Yet this book makes clear that Parchman in its heyday as a prison farm was not the worst part of this new slavery. Actually, it may have been one of the least of the evils that characterized Mississippi's racial injustice. Mr. Oshinsky portrays Mississippi as consistently the nation's most violent state from the 1830's to the 1930's. Its frontier status in the early years of the antebellum cotton boom produced an astonishing crop of murders, duels, cuttings and gougings among white men. It also produced record crops of cotton grown by slaves working in a brutally repressive plantation system.​

​

During Reconstruction the Ku Klux Klan and local rifle clubs murdered hundreds of freed slaves, now Republican voters, in the successful effort to make Mississippi safe for the Democratic Party. In the New South Mississippi led the nation ''in every imaginable kind of mob atrocity: most lynchings, most multiple lynchings, most lynchings of women, most lynchings without an arrest, most lynchings of a victim in police custody and most public support for the process itself.'' Nearly half a century later, in the 1930's, ''Mississippians earned less, killed more and died younger than other Americans. They were five times more likely to be illiterate than a Pennsylvanian and ten times more likely to take another person's life.''​

​

This culture of violence provided the setting for the most infamous form of criminal justice in American history, the convict leasing system that prevailed in most Southern states for a generation or more after emancipation. Not surprisingly, Mississippi invented convict leasing. Under slavery, black criminals had been punished on the plantation. Virtually the only jail inmates were whites. The Civil War destroyed many jails and penitentiaries, while emancipation more than doubled the free population. The crime wave and political violence that accompanied Reconstruction overwhelmed the few and inadequate jails. In desperation, Mississippi and other states turned to an expedient that quickly became an institution: the leasing of convicted criminals to private contractors, who paid a fee to the state and agreed to feed, clothe and shelter the convicts during their term of punishment.​

​

But the motives of lessees were most emphatically not altruistic; they were in this business for profit. They used convicts to build railroads, to mine coal and iron, and to fell timber, make turpentine, clear land and grow cotton. Since nearly all leased convicts were black, few whites cared what happened to them. And if the supply of convicts fell below the demand, compliant legislators and country sheriffs stood ready to increase the supply. In 1876 the Mississippi legislature enacted the egregious ''pig law'' defining the theft of a farm animal or any property valued at $10 or more as grand larceny, punishable by up to five years in state prison. The convict population quadrupled overnight. Many contractors made fortunes from the cheap labor that they could exploit with impunity. Slaves had at least possessed the protection of their value as property; the lives of black convicts had no value in the eyes of whites. Mortality rates in convict camps rose to shocking levels. The death rate among convicts in Mississippi during the 1880's ranged from 9 to 16 percent annually. ''Not a single leased convict,'' Mr. Oshinsky notes, ''ever lived long enough to serve a sentence of 10 years or more.''​

​

It was this system, not the Parchman prison, that the Southern reformer George Washington Cable described as ''worse than slavery.'' By the 1880's the barbarism of convict leasing had become an embarrassment even to white Mississippians. Reformers in all Southern states crusaded against the system. By the early 20th century they had succeeded in getting it abolished almost everywhere, though in several states it was replaced by state or county chain gangs -- not necessarily a great improvement."​

Continued here: The New York Times: Book Review Search Article​

​

Yawn...

BOTH!

We've never had guns in Britain, and though there may be many demands on government, guns will never be one of them. With around half a million gun related deaths in the US since 2000, I wonder how all those dead are finding their total privacy inflicted by others?

The UK has become a hell hole. Crime statistics are not openly shared.
I would rather live in Somalia.

Can't remember the last time I saw a fist fight, never mind cities on fire. Here no one you know will ever die of gunshot wounds.

 

[beagle9]

I don't believe we would have the same problems if our legislators would faithfully execute our own laws.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We already know the unorganized militia is worthless to the security of our free States.

Why are they unorganized?? Is it that they are being led in some cases by radicals who are sometimes as scatter brained as the one's they are trying to defend against ??

The feds are supposed to represent the nation in the best light, and they aren't supposed to be influenced by any radical group who might attempt to use them for their own agenda's. However, it still depends on who gains power over the feds, and in which ways that the feds are led determines the outcomes be it good or bad. For quite sometime the feds have been a work in progress by those with an agenda, and for whom wish to somehow change the entire concept of America by way of using the strong arm of the fed to do it.

Can't let that happen folks, so the best is to vote for reps that represent the country in it's best light, and stay away from radicals with one track agenda's at play.

Trump 2020... MAG-Always.

There is no chain of command with the unorganized militia. A mob of people. Organized militia have clearly delineated leadership who come up with goals, plans and operational objectives.

And who is an unorganized militia today ??

The people causing most of our problems today.

And who are they

American citizens are in possession of millions upon millions of firearms and billions if not trillions of rounds of ammo.

What (if anything) has that done to protect our privacy and rights so far?

Seems to me in spite of all the gun ownership, privacy and our rights are trampled at will daily.

FAR more important than gun ownership is the basic will to make sacrifices for your freedom. No pain = no gain.

Good answer, so what has to be understood is that wars aren't fought with guns and ammo these days or like the old days, because the field of battle has been changed big time. The one being dealt with now is much worse than a bullet hitting one, and killing them instantly....What the game is now is death by a thousand cuts. Think about it.

The loss of PRIVACY is going to be huge or as bad as anything seen in the past

 

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I don't believe we would have the same problems if our legislators would faithfully execute our own laws.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We already know the unorganized militia is worthless to the security of our free States.

Why are they unorganized?? Is it that they are being led in some cases by radicals who are sometimes as scatter brained as the one's they are trying to defend against ??

The feds are supposed to represent the nation in the best light, and they aren't supposed to be influenced by any radical group who might attempt to use them for their own agenda's. However, it still depends on who gains power over the feds, and in which ways that the feds are led determines the outcomes be it good or bad. For quite sometime the feds have been a work in progress by those with an agenda, and for whom wish to somehow change the entire concept of America by way of using the strong arm of the fed to do it.

Can't let that happen folks, so the best is to vote for reps that represent the country in it's best light, and stay away from radicals with one track agenda's at play.

Trump 2020... MAG-Always.

There is no chain of command with the unorganized militia. A mob of people. Organized militia have clearly delineated leadership who come up with goals, plans and operational objectives.

And who is an unorganized militia today ??

The people causing most of our problems today.

And who are they

American citizens are in possession of millions upon millions of firearms and billions if not trillions of rounds of ammo.

What (if anything) has that done to protect our privacy and rights so far?

Seems to me in spite of all the gun ownership, privacy and our rights are trampled at will daily.

FAR more important than gun ownership is the basic will to make sacrifices for your freedom. No pain = no gain.

Good answer, so what has to be understood is that wars aren't fought with guns and ammo these days or like the old days, because the field of battle has been changed big time. The one being dealt with now is much worse than a bullet hitting one, and killing them instantly....What the game is now is death by a thousand cuts. Think about it.

The loss of PRIVACY is going to be huge or as bad as anything seen in the past

We would not have the problems we have now with more organized militia. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.