CDZ What's more important, gun's and ammo or PRIVACY ??

[beagle9]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

 

[Elton]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

Well. I only own a single shot .22 that I have had since I was a kid, but I kind of follow the Golden Rule. "He who has the gold, makes the rules. He who has the guns, has the gold". So, that would mean that he who has the guns, will have the privacy. If you have no guns to defend your privacy, you will have none.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

When were any of us asked if we would like to retain our privacy? When were any of us asked for permission to gather data on every aspect of our lives so that the people doing the gathering can then make money off of us by selling our information?

The police have always had access to our private information as have the credit bureaus. They're the ones who sell it to everyone else including in cases law enforcement.

It's way worse than what you've outlined here. There are companies that track vehicles and sell that data. We just got notification of a investigation into a bunch of professional organization who have routinely been violating the laws regarding privacy of DMV records in the state of California.

It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle and it's much much worse than most people are aware and in many cases deceit was used to allegedly obtain consent in some of the cases. Anytime a company tells you your consent is irrevocable, you should run for the hills.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

 

[westwall]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

Yes, Democrats have historically tried to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. It seems to be a pattern.

 

[beagle9]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

Well. I only own a single shot .22 that I have had since I was a kid, but I kind of follow the Golden Rule. "He who has the gold, makes the rules. He who has the guns, has the gold". So, that would mean that he who has the guns, will have the privacy. If you have no guns to defend your privacy, you will have none.

The thing is this, the guns are ineffective against big tech or our big brother government attempting to make slaves out of us all, and this by writing the new political rules and laws surrounding them. The loss of PRIVACY will end up forcing us like cattle into the cattle gates for the coming slaughters if we as a free people don't wake up.Just don't vote against your freedom is all I can say.

How will they achieve this ??? The only way they know how, in which is to rob everyone of their privacy in order to know them, and ultimately to learn them in order to know how to control them all because they now know them.

Trust, privacy and freedom go hand in hand, and all three are under severe attack now.

 

[beagle9]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

Yes, Democrats have historically tried to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. It seems to be a pattern.

By her thought process, it is best not to own a gun, because it then serves to make government suspicious of you, and it serves as a pretext to violate your privacy all because of. Not a good excuse she has going there, so I ain't buying into it.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

Yes, Democrats have historically tried to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. It seems to be a pattern.

By her thought process, it is best not to own a gun, because it then serves to make government suspicious of you, and it serves as a pretext to violate your privacy all because of. Not a good excuse she has going there, so I ain't buying into it.

No, the solution to government finding out you are armed is for everyone to be armed.
They everyone is equal and indistinguishable.
But if you buy privately, there also is no record.
People who are not armed are irresponsible.
Not being able to protect yourself is how police became so costly, powerful, and abusive.
If an asteroid hit the earth and put us back into the stone age, what would an unarmed person do, except die.

 

[Rigby5]

Is it your guns and bullets or is it the loss of your privacy that's more important in life ??????

Think long and hard about this one before answering.

Some might say both, and yes that is true, but what can actually do the most damage to society or to an individual in society if loses one of them first, and the other one later ?? Otherwise if it loses either one of these very important tools, (that protects both freedom and liberty in a civilized society), what will spell the most disastrous if lose it in the order ???? Guns would be bad enough to lose, but I think that one's privacy loss could be just as lethal if not a far greater thing all due the implications of such a thing in which we should understand the results of in real time.

Guns and bullets (yes) are a last resort in protecting one's life, liberty, and freedom, but having one's "privacy" intact keeps outsider's from plotting in many ways on just how to go about taking away your life if it be the case, and/or to take away your liberty, and ultimately to take away your freedom's if used in such a way to do these things..

Now years ago before all the tech boom, and the lies, deception, and the con-artist were all feeding lies to us about it being so safe, and that it was a good thing to give up a certain amount of privacy for that good, and yet it has since been made evident that we were all duped big time about it all.

The selling of our information has led to tragic things, and we were deceived by big tech who suggested that it was for our own good if we allowed them to send or sell our information to other companies etc.

Well we seen how all that has gone since, and we found out that it has created the most unsecure situation American's will have ever experienced in their life times.

It is no wonder why we can't trust anything anymore, and especially the ballot by mail bullcrap. It's gonna be the same results as we have been dealing with in the loss of privacy scandal now ongoing in America.

1. Unwanted calls all the time - Government can't or won't stop it.

2. Unwanted text by group's or advertiser's - government can't or won't stop it.

3. Unwanted viruses sent over the net. The same.

4. Unwanted solicitation.. The same.

5. Unwanted Tracking - The same.

6. Corruption on the internet - Government can't or won't stop it.

7. Harassment, bullying, cyber attacks, IP attacks, intellectual property stolen, attempting set ups, creating fake news, opportunist, liars, haters, thieves, murderers, and so much of this is still poised to take advantage of anyone it can.

Privacy is at the very root/core of being free, and the loss of it is far greater than anyone could have ever imagined it could be.

Why did American's give up their privacy without any fight be it mentally and not physically ???

The confounding of a nation's wisdom is upon us, and to see these things right before our very eyes should give us pause now.

Big tech or other political enemies that have been allowed to dupe we the citizen's, are causing us to readily allow strangers to have their fingers upon we the people's private live's ????? It is very dangerous to a civilized society to allow such a thing, but here we are America..

Wake up America.

Well. I only own a single shot .22 that I have had since I was a kid, but I kind of follow the Golden Rule. "He who has the gold, makes the rules. He who has the guns, has the gold". So, that would mean that he who has the guns, will have the privacy. If you have no guns to defend your privacy, you will have none.

The thing is this, the guns are ineffective against big tech or our big brother government attempting to make slaves out of us all, and this by writing the new political rules and laws surrounding them. The loss of PRIVACY will end up forcing us like cattle into the cattle gates for the coming slaughters if we as a free people don't wake up.Just don't vote against your freedom is all I can say.

How will they achieve this ??? The only way they know how, in which is to rob everyone of their privacy in order to know them, and ultimately to learn them in order to know how to control them all because they now know them.

Trust, privacy and freedom go hand in hand, and all three are under severe attack now.

If they want to herd us to the slaughter, you think a vote is going to stop them?
Sure by creating files on us they can more easily find the leaders and those likely to resist, but without guns, resistance is futile.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

If owning a gun, a 2nd amendment right, can be used to violate your privacy, then the vote was worthless a very long time ago.

 

[beagle9]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

Yes, Democrats have historically tried to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. It seems to be a pattern.

By her thought process, it is best not to own a gun, because it then serves to make government suspicious of you, and it serves as a pretext to violate your privacy all because of. Not a good excuse she has going there, so I ain't buying into it.

No, the solution to government finding out you are armed is for everyone to be armed.
They everyone is equal and indistinguishable.
But if you buy privately, there also is no record.
People who are not armed are irresponsible.
Not being able to protect yourself is how police became so costly, powerful, and abusive.
If an asteroid hit the earth and put us back into the stone age, what would an unarmed person do, except die.

Was commenting on her thought process, and I wasn't promoting ever not being armed, so go back and read her words I was commenting on. Thanks.

 

[Likkmee]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

Yes, Democrats have historically tried to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. It seems to be a pattern.

Yeah. They havent been able to get weed/meth/other either. More MAGA !

 

[beagle9]

I know I used guns and ammo in this thread, but don't get lost in the weeds by missing the point of the thread. Privacy is now thee most important loss of a right (I think) that we have to date. If we lost our guns and ammo, well that would come in second IMO, but our PRIVACY loss comes in first these days.

 

[justinacolmena]

You can't really have any privacy without the guns and ammo to enforce it. There's always some rapist dude hanging around offering a buck or two or some trinket or another for sex and the cops won't do shit since he's a pillar of the community and they don't want to risk their careers on the arrest they'd rather pick up a teenage boy who really hasn't done anything wrong.

 

[beagle9]

You can't really have any privacy without the guns and ammo to enforce it. There's always some rapist dude hanging around offering a buck or two or some trinket or another for sex and the cops won't do shit since he's a pillar of the community and they don't want to risk their careers on the arrest they'd rather pick up a teenage boy who really hasn't done anything wrong.

Hmmm, not sure what your point is (all over the place), other than me agreeing that we as good citizen's need our privacy, guns and ammo in order to stay free in this country. However, we have got to identify the enemies of this country (the bad actors), take their weapons (if have any), and lock them up when committing crimes. Time to stop letting criminals run around loose to do as they please in the communities. It's gone on for to long now. BLM are total hypocrites for thinking that white's are the problem for the black communities, because anyone with any smidgen of common sense knows better than that bullcrap being spewed now.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

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Yes, Democrats have historically tried to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. It seems to be a pattern.

The original gun control laws in our country were legislated in order to keep guns out of the hands of the newly freed slaves who were being targeted by the Klan. They didn't want them to be able to lawfully defend themselves or their families putting them into a deadly catch-22 situation. Forego the firearms and risk your lives or take up arms unlawfully and risk incarcerated for the rest of your life for a violation of the gun laws effectively returning them to captivity. Remember, even though slavery was abolished by the 13th Amendment, it contained an escape clause

Thirteenth Amendment​

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."​

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By the way, you do know that people can change their political party don't you and that the parties themselves and what they stand for changes as well.

 

[beagle9]

Oh and one more thing. Surely you're aware that owning firearms is used as a pretext to violate your privacy, particularly if you're not white. I just posted an article about this earlier tonight.

​

Yes, Democrats have historically tried to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. It seems to be a pattern.

The original gun control laws in our country were legislated in order to keep guns out of the hands of the newly freed slaves who were being targeted by the Klan. They didn't want them to be able to lawfully defend themselves or their families putting them into a deadly catch-22 situation. Forego the firearms and risk your lives or take up arms unlawfully and risk incarcerated for the rest of your life for a violation of the gun laws effectively returning them to captivity. Remember, even though slavery was abolished by the 13th Amendment, it contained an escape clause

Thirteenth Amendment​

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."​

​

By the way, you do know that people can change their political party don't you and that the parties themselves and what they stand for changes as well.

Good grief already.... Really ???? The part you have emboldened pertains to all colors whom commit crimes in America or within thier local jurisdiction's. Meaning you are locked up, and you lose your rights in many ways until you are free again.

You saying that black's were purposely targeted to not own guns once freed early on might be right, just like it was that black's couldn't vote etc, but why was that you think ??? Think about it now....

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

The walking the situation foward in a stepped way was the only way, and it still had problems. Now Obama wanted to use the past to recreate the past, and that is why America went backwards instead of forwards under Obama.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

You know what? I think you might be the first person who has admitted the reason behind a lot of the fear that white people have always had of blacks. But the hypocrisy of it is what is astounding.

You just admitted that white people didn't want black people to have guns so that they couldn't come after them although that's guilt talking. It goes so much further than that. What they didn't want and still in 2020 don't want is for black people to have the ability to legally shoot and kill white people, not even in self-defense. And if a black person took the risk of being arrested for violating the gun laws that the white supremacist ruling class had in place, then they risked being returned to captivity for attempting to exercise the same human right to self-defense that whites had even in face of a very specific threat (the Klan)

And while you're laughing as if I made this all up, how much do you know about the convict leasing systems that were put in place after the end of slavery and all of the vagrancy laws that allowed the local racist white ruling class to return black people to captivity for a bunch of petty and bullshit reasons?

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws --and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites....​

https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29094/the-racist-roots-of-gun-control.pdf​

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Convict Leasing​

"Building on their studies of emancipation, Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction ''New South,'' Mr. Oshinsky places the story of Mississippi's notorious Parchman prison farm in the context of sharecropping, convict leasing, lynching and the legalized segregation that replaced slavery. In vigorous, hard-hitting prose, he exposes the nature of the new system of race relations that was indeed worse in some ways than the kind abolished in 1865.​

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Yet this book makes clear that Parchman in its heyday as a prison farm was not the worst part of this new slavery. Actually, it may have been one of the least of the evils that characterized Mississippi's racial injustice. Mr. Oshinsky portrays Mississippi as consistently the nation's most violent state from the 1830's to the 1930's. Its frontier status in the early years of the antebellum cotton boom produced an astonishing crop of murders, duels, cuttings and gougings among white men. It also produced record crops of cotton grown by slaves working in a brutally repressive plantation system.​

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During Reconstruction the Ku Klux Klan and local rifle clubs murdered hundreds of freed slaves, now Republican voters, in the successful effort to make Mississippi safe for the Democratic Party. In the New South Mississippi led the nation ''in every imaginable kind of mob atrocity: most lynchings, most multiple lynchings, most lynchings of women, most lynchings without an arrest, most lynchings of a victim in police custody and most public support for the process itself.'' Nearly half a century later, in the 1930's, ''Mississippians earned less, killed more and died younger than other Americans. They were five times more likely to be illiterate than a Pennsylvanian and ten times more likely to take another person's life.''​

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This culture of violence provided the setting for the most infamous form of criminal justice in American history, the convict leasing system that prevailed in most Southern states for a generation or more after emancipation. Not surprisingly, Mississippi invented convict leasing. Under slavery, black criminals had been punished on the plantation. Virtually the only jail inmates were whites. The Civil War destroyed many jails and penitentiaries, while emancipation more than doubled the free population. The crime wave and political violence that accompanied Reconstruction overwhelmed the few and inadequate jails. In desperation, Mississippi and other states turned to an expedient that quickly became an institution: the leasing of convicted criminals to private contractors, who paid a fee to the state and agreed to feed, clothe and shelter the convicts during their term of punishment.​

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But the motives of lessees were most emphatically not altruistic; they were in this business for profit. They used convicts to build railroads, to mine coal and iron, and to fell timber, make turpentine, clear land and grow cotton. Since nearly all leased convicts were black, few whites cared what happened to them. And if the supply of convicts fell below the demand, compliant legislators and country sheriffs stood ready to increase the supply. In 1876 the Mississippi legislature enacted the egregious ''pig law'' defining the theft of a farm animal or any property valued at $10 or more as grand larceny, punishable by up to five years in state prison. The convict population quadrupled overnight. Many contractors made fortunes from the cheap labor that they could exploit with impunity. Slaves had at least possessed the protection of their value as property; the lives of black convicts had no value in the eyes of whites. Mortality rates in convict camps rose to shocking levels. The death rate among convicts in Mississippi during the 1880's ranged from 9 to 16 percent annually. ''Not a single leased convict,'' Mr. Oshinsky notes, ''ever lived long enough to serve a sentence of 10 years or more.''​

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It was this system, not the Parchman prison, that the Southern reformer George Washington Cable described as ''worse than slavery.'' By the 1880's the barbarism of convict leasing had become an embarrassment even to white Mississippians. Reformers in all Southern states crusaded against the system. By the early 20th century they had succeeded in getting it abolished almost everywhere, though in several states it was replaced by state or county chain gangs -- not necessarily a great improvement."​

Continued here: The New York Times: Book Review Search Article​

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[beagle9]

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

You know what? I think you might be the first person who has admitted the reason behind a lot of the fear that white people have always had of blacks. But the hypocrisy of it is what is astounding.

You just admitted that white people didn't want black people to have guns so that they couldn't come after them although that's guilt talking. It goes so much further than that. What they didn't want and still in 2020 don't want is for black people to have the ability to legally shoot and kill white people, not even in self-defense. And if a black person took the risk of being arrested for violating the gun laws that the white supremacist ruling class had in place, then they risked being returned to captivity for attempting to exercise the same human right to self-defense that whites had even in face of a very specific threat (the Klan)

And while you're laughing as if I made this all up, how much do you know about the convict leasing systems that were put in place after the end of slavery and all of the vagrancy laws that allowed the local racist white ruling class to return black people to captivity for a bunch of petty and bullshit reasons?

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws --and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites....​

https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29094/the-racist-roots-of-gun-control.pdf​

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Convict Leasing​

"Building on their studies of emancipation, Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction ''New South,'' Mr. Oshinsky places the story of Mississippi's notorious Parchman prison farm in the context of sharecropping, convict leasing, lynching and the legalized segregation that replaced slavery. In vigorous, hard-hitting prose, he exposes the nature of the new system of race relations that was indeed worse in some ways than the kind abolished in 1865.​

​

Yet this book makes clear that Parchman in its heyday as a prison farm was not the worst part of this new slavery. Actually, it may have been one of the least of the evils that characterized Mississippi's racial injustice. Mr. Oshinsky portrays Mississippi as consistently the nation's most violent state from the 1830's to the 1930's. Its frontier status in the early years of the antebellum cotton boom produced an astonishing crop of murders, duels, cuttings and gougings among white men. It also produced record crops of cotton grown by slaves working in a brutally repressive plantation system.​

​

During Reconstruction the Ku Klux Klan and local rifle clubs murdered hundreds of freed slaves, now Republican voters, in the successful effort to make Mississippi safe for the Democratic Party. In the New South Mississippi led the nation ''in every imaginable kind of mob atrocity: most lynchings, most multiple lynchings, most lynchings of women, most lynchings without an arrest, most lynchings of a victim in police custody and most public support for the process itself.'' Nearly half a century later, in the 1930's, ''Mississippians earned less, killed more and died younger than other Americans. They were five times more likely to be illiterate than a Pennsylvanian and ten times more likely to take another person's life.''​

​

This culture of violence provided the setting for the most infamous form of criminal justice in American history, the convict leasing system that prevailed in most Southern states for a generation or more after emancipation. Not surprisingly, Mississippi invented convict leasing. Under slavery, black criminals had been punished on the plantation. Virtually the only jail inmates were whites. The Civil War destroyed many jails and penitentiaries, while emancipation more than doubled the free population. The crime wave and political violence that accompanied Reconstruction overwhelmed the few and inadequate jails. In desperation, Mississippi and other states turned to an expedient that quickly became an institution: the leasing of convicted criminals to private contractors, who paid a fee to the state and agreed to feed, clothe and shelter the convicts during their term of punishment.​

​

But the motives of lessees were most emphatically not altruistic; they were in this business for profit. They used convicts to build railroads, to mine coal and iron, and to fell timber, make turpentine, clear land and grow cotton. Since nearly all leased convicts were black, few whites cared what happened to them. And if the supply of convicts fell below the demand, compliant legislators and country sheriffs stood ready to increase the supply. In 1876 the Mississippi legislature enacted the egregious ''pig law'' defining the theft of a farm animal or any property valued at $10 or more as grand larceny, punishable by up to five years in state prison. The convict population quadrupled overnight. Many contractors made fortunes from the cheap labor that they could exploit with impunity. Slaves had at least possessed the protection of their value as property; the lives of black convicts had no value in the eyes of whites. Mortality rates in convict camps rose to shocking levels. The death rate among convicts in Mississippi during the 1880's ranged from 9 to 16 percent annually. ''Not a single leased convict,'' Mr. Oshinsky notes, ''ever lived long enough to serve a sentence of 10 years or more.''​

​

It was this system, not the Parchman prison, that the Southern reformer George Washington Cable described as ''worse than slavery.'' By the 1880's the barbarism of convict leasing had become an embarrassment even to white Mississippians. Reformers in all Southern states crusaded against the system. By the early 20th century they had succeeded in getting it abolished almost everywhere, though in several states it was replaced by state or county chain gangs -- not necessarily a great improvement."​

Continued here: The New York Times: Book Review Search Article​

​

Listen Obama's sister or whoever you are, I ain't never owned a slave, and I ain't scarrrred of no black folks, and your brother Obama was attempting to do the same bullcrap to this country that you are attempting to do. Take it backards instead of forwards.

It's a problem, but I garantee you that it isn't a problem that has no solution to it, so go on and get it all out of your system so we as an American people can move on again in life.

Oh and Trump 2020 yeahyaaaaaaaaa.

 

[beagle9]

If you just freed a people who had been locked up, mistreated, denied rights into an open and free society, would you hand them a gun, and tell them to go vote themselves some vengence ?????. Do you think that white's were so dumb that they didn't figure that the black race might want to commit vengence against them back then, and do so for what they just went through previously ???????? Use your head.

You know what? I think you might be the first person who has admitted the reason behind a lot of the fear that white people have always had of blacks. But the hypocrisy of it is what is astounding.

You just admitted that white people didn't want black people to have guns so that they couldn't come after them although that's guilt talking. It goes so much further than that. What they didn't want and still in 2020 don't want is for black people to have the ability to legally shoot and kill white people, not even in self-defense. And if a black person took the risk of being arrested for violating the gun laws that the white supremacist ruling class had in place, then they risked being returned to captivity for attempting to exercise the same human right to self-defense that whites had even in face of a very specific threat (the Klan)

And while you're laughing as if I made this all up, how much do you know about the convict leasing systems that were put in place after the end of slavery and all of the vagrancy laws that allowed the local racist white ruling class to return black people to captivity for a bunch of petty and bullshit reasons?

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws --and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites....​

https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29094/the-racist-roots-of-gun-control.pdf​

​

Convict Leasing​

"Building on their studies of emancipation, Reconstruction and the post-Reconstruction ''New South,'' Mr. Oshinsky places the story of Mississippi's notorious Parchman prison farm in the context of sharecropping, convict leasing, lynching and the legalized segregation that replaced slavery. In vigorous, hard-hitting prose, he exposes the nature of the new system of race relations that was indeed worse in some ways than the kind abolished in 1865.​

​

Yet this book makes clear that Parchman in its heyday as a prison farm was not the worst part of this new slavery. Actually, it may have been one of the least of the evils that characterized Mississippi's racial injustice. Mr. Oshinsky portrays Mississippi as consistently the nation's most violent state from the 1830's to the 1930's. Its frontier status in the early years of the antebellum cotton boom produced an astonishing crop of murders, duels, cuttings and gougings among white men. It also produced record crops of cotton grown by slaves working in a brutally repressive plantation system.​

​

During Reconstruction the Ku Klux Klan and local rifle clubs murdered hundreds of freed slaves, now Republican voters, in the successful effort to make Mississippi safe for the Democratic Party. In the New South Mississippi led the nation ''in every imaginable kind of mob atrocity: most lynchings, most multiple lynchings, most lynchings of women, most lynchings without an arrest, most lynchings of a victim in police custody and most public support for the process itself.'' Nearly half a century later, in the 1930's, ''Mississippians earned less, killed more and died younger than other Americans. They were five times more likely to be illiterate than a Pennsylvanian and ten times more likely to take another person's life.''​

​

This culture of violence provided the setting for the most infamous form of criminal justice in American history, the convict leasing system that prevailed in most Southern states for a generation or more after emancipation. Not surprisingly, Mississippi invented convict leasing. Under slavery, black criminals had been punished on the plantation. Virtually the only jail inmates were whites. The Civil War destroyed many jails and penitentiaries, while emancipation more than doubled the free population. The crime wave and political violence that accompanied Reconstruction overwhelmed the few and inadequate jails. In desperation, Mississippi and other states turned to an expedient that quickly became an institution: the leasing of convicted criminals to private contractors, who paid a fee to the state and agreed to feed, clothe and shelter the convicts during their term of punishment.​

​

But the motives of lessees were most emphatically not altruistic; they were in this business for profit. They used convicts to build railroads, to mine coal and iron, and to fell timber, make turpentine, clear land and grow cotton. Since nearly all leased convicts were black, few whites cared what happened to them. And if the supply of convicts fell below the demand, compliant legislators and country sheriffs stood ready to increase the supply. In 1876 the Mississippi legislature enacted the egregious ''pig law'' defining the theft of a farm animal or any property valued at $10 or more as grand larceny, punishable by up to five years in state prison. The convict population quadrupled overnight. Many contractors made fortunes from the cheap labor that they could exploit with impunity. Slaves had at least possessed the protection of their value as property; the lives of black convicts had no value in the eyes of whites. Mortality rates in convict camps rose to shocking levels. The death rate among convicts in Mississippi during the 1880's ranged from 9 to 16 percent annually. ''Not a single leased convict,'' Mr. Oshinsky notes, ''ever lived long enough to serve a sentence of 10 years or more.''​

​

It was this system, not the Parchman prison, that the Southern reformer George Washington Cable described as ''worse than slavery.'' By the 1880's the barbarism of convict leasing had become an embarrassment even to white Mississippians. Reformers in all Southern states crusaded against the system. By the early 20th century they had succeeded in getting it abolished almost everywhere, though in several states it was replaced by state or county chain gangs -- not necessarily a great improvement."​

Continued here: The New York Times: Book Review Search Article​

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Yawn...