Whatever Happened to Electric Cars?

[Wyatt earp]

So let's recap you didn't know the history of electric cars I did
You didn't know they were around they same time as gasoline engines, I did
You didn't know they started to reproduce them in they 60s, I did
you didn't know a few years ago Obama was throwing billions at new battery technology, I did

And they still suck after 100 plus years, I would buy a new telsa as a fourth car, if I had the money but it would just be a toy to me

 

[Wyatt earp]

Lol you never had a battery explode on you have you?

 

[Wyatt earp]

And remember my post that stated reading popular science and mechanics in The 70s every month till I stopped around 96 when I found the internet

 

[WinterBorn]

So let's recap you didn't know the history of electric cars I did
You didn't know they were around they same time as gasoline engines, I did
You didn't know they started to reproduce them in they 60s, I did
you didn't know a few years ago Obama was throwing billions at new battery technology, I did

And they still suck after 100 plus years, I would buy a new telsa as a fourth car, if I had the money but it would just be a toy to me

How about lets recap honestly.

Yes, I knew that electric cars existed in the late 19th and early 20th century, but they were not relevant to this topic.
Yes, I knew there were attempts to start production of electric vehicles, but none of them were much more than modified existing vehicles, and had huge limits on speed and range.

I am also curious how you claim they "still suck", when the range has extended greatly, charging stations are popping up all over, and the speeds are now as good as most production gasoline vehicles?

And your claim that there have been no "leaps & bounds" advances in the technology is laughable.

You claim EVs suck or that the technology sucks. Funny, there are plenty of people who disagree.

Lets review your claim that the technology or the cars suck.

Automobile Magazine gave the Tesla Model S its "Automobile of the Year" in 2013.
It won Motor Trend's Car of the Year.
Consumer Reports called it "The best car we ever tested". Not "best electric". But best car they ever tested.

But you say the technology sucks, so I guess those people are all wrong?

 

[Wyatt earp]

You do know a electric cars could blow away a Corvette right on a quarter mile right? A electric motor is more power full than a gasoline motor, that's why they have diesel electric trains, why do I have to continue to teach you on this thread?

 

[WinterBorn]

You do know a electric cars could blow away a Corvette right on a quarter mile right? A electric motor is more power full than a gasoline motor, that's why they have diesel electric trains, why do I have to continue to teach you on this thread?

Excuse me? You are teaching nothing.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You told me a electric car is almost as fast lmao

 

[Wyatt earp]

Quit back pedaling you didn't know shit about this subject till me

 

[WinterBorn]

Quit back pedaling you didn't know shit about this subject till me

I am not backpedaling at all. What I said was "In fact, the Model S P85D will do 0-60 faster than all but a handful of specialized production hotrods, like the Viper, a very few corvette models and the Hellcat.".

See? Faster than all but a very few corvette models?

The Tesla Model S P85D has a listed 0-60 time of 3.2 seconds. The 2002 Chevrolet Corvette (Lingenfelter 427 Twin Turbo) has a 0-60 time of 1.97 seconds. And there are a very few specialized corvette models that equal the 3.2 second mark.

But the technology still sucks?

 

[WinterBorn]

You told me a electric car is almost as fast lmao

Was the 1972 Datsun White Zombie a production car?

 

[Wyatt earp]

See your upset now bored of this topic bored of you back pedaling when I am trying to teach you facts of electric cars

Have a nice day student glad I could educate you on the history of electric cars

Going to argue about something else

 

[WinterBorn]

See your upset now bored of this topic bored of you back pedaling when I am trying to teach you facts of electric cars

Have a nice day student glad I could educate you on the history of electric cars

Going to argue about something else

If thinking that makes you feel better, do what you have to do.

In fact, posting the history of electric cars and trying to misquote me and use obscure one-off examples is not teaching anyone anything.

As for my being upset, don't kid yourself. This is entertainment.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Oh yea forgot to post this I am a huge Nascar, Indy car, and F1 fan and this is so cool, want to watch it

Oh yea, we all know the electric motor is not the problem she is great, it is the power supply that sucks

 

[Flopper]

Those who seem so opposed to the EVs have yet to actually do anything to provide an alternative. If hydrogen is the future, then how about some enterprising American Entrepreneur come up with workable models and start selling them? The chief complaint I have seen is that there is no infrastructure in place for refueling. The same could have been said for the Tesla. But they went out and worked on solving the problem.

It always amazes me that so many conservatives seem adamantly against the success of teh Tesla and other EVs.

Tesla was started by entrepreneurs with an idea. Yes, they borrowed to start the production. But manufacturing cars is not like making wicker baskets. There must be a considerable investment to start up. Their first car rolled off the production lines in 2008. The same year the economy crashed in the worst way since the Great Depression. And STILL Tesla managed to survive and repay the debt.

The complain about EVs was that they were limited in range. They fixed that partly with ingenuity in the technology, and partly buy building a network of charging stations nation wide, as they were still building their original business.

Isn't all of that the sort of business that conservatives WANT to see??

If hydrogen is the future, then how about some enterprising American Entrepreneur come up with workable models and start selling them?

that actually is in the process

this is but just one

2015 Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell Hydrogen-Powered Vehicle Hyundai

Japan plans to have 6000 Honda/Toyota Hydrogen Fuel Cell cars and to build 32 stations in Tokyo, in time for the 2020 olympics: Toyota Honda in talks to put 6 000 fuel cell cars on road in Tokyo by 2020 Olympics

This reminds me of the early days of automobiles, when companies were producing electric, wood and coal fired steam autos, and gasoline vehicles. The gasoline power cars prevailed. Which one of the zero emission vehicles will prevail is yet to be determined but one will eventually out pace all the rest.

If automobiles even exist at all, since we are talking about the future of transportation - quite easily bicycles, walking and public transport options like trains, buses, and private aircraft, could well put an end to the automobile.

If by future, you mean this century, I do not see even a remote possibility of automobiles being replaced by anything. This country missed it's chance to develop nationwide mass transient. The cost is simply is too high now. Walking and biking are great if the weather's good, your area is bike and pedestrian friendly, you are in no hurry, not making a long trip, and you're physically able .

 

[Flopper]

Also with our crappy electrical grid I don't see how it could handle 250 million cars plugged in at night

Wouldn't worry about that. At the rate we're selling EV's in the US, it will never happen. There has to be infrastructure development, improvement in the vehicles, and an improvement in cost compared compared to gasoline powered cars for EV's to take off.

 

[westwall]

You could be right John I remember reading about highways built like our old AFX slot cars

LOL i remember seeing things like that in popular mechanics

telsa envisioned that electricity could be sent out over the airwaves

similar to am/fm radios through microwaves

and the consumer could have a device similar to a radio

that could convert the microwaves back into electricity

for home and auto use

Yes, if they could get Tesla's system to work, it would revolutionize EV's. They would instantaneously become practicable. The unintended consequence though would be to put most power companies out of business.

 

[westwall]

Sorry had to work, this is a serious question? They were mass produced before gasoline cars, starting around The 1880s So think about it in over 100 years still no great leaps and bounds in battery technology, with all the money thrown at it the tech still sucks
Electric car - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, it was a very serious question. Since the OP was all about "where are the electric cars?", and the discussion has been about modern vehicles, the fact that there were electric cars in production 100 years ago doesn't seem relevant.

And are you really contending that there has been no great advancements in the technology?? Really? What part of it sucks? I can see the time required to charge could be a deterrent. But other than that, what is it that sucks about the technology? The technology can produce a very fast, very efficient, dependable car that burns no fossil fuel and has zero emissions. That sucks?

Oh, and to answer my own question (using your Wiki link), production of EVs in the US stopped in 1920. So there has been no significant production of electric cars in 95 years.

No, there truly hasn't been. EV's a 100 years ago had basically the same range as they do today. Where's the progress?

 

[westwall]

Those who seem so opposed to the EVs have yet to actually do anything to provide an alternative. If hydrogen is the future, then how about some enterprising American Entrepreneur come up with workable models and start selling them? The chief complaint I have seen is that there is no infrastructure in place for refueling. The same could have been said for the Tesla. But they went out and worked on solving the problem.

It always amazes me that so many conservatives seem adamantly against the success of teh Tesla and other EVs.

Tesla was started by entrepreneurs with an idea. Yes, they borrowed to start the production. But manufacturing cars is not like making wicker baskets. There must be a considerable investment to start up. Their first car rolled off the production lines in 2008. The same year the economy crashed in the worst way since the Great Depression. And STILL Tesla managed to survive and repay the debt.

The complain about EVs was that they were limited in range. They fixed that partly with ingenuity in the technology, and partly buy building a network of charging stations nation wide, as they were still building their original business.

Isn't all of that the sort of business that conservatives WANT to see??

If hydrogen is the future, then how about some enterprising American Entrepreneur come up with workable models and start selling them?

that actually is in the process

this is but just one

2015 Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell Hydrogen-Powered Vehicle Hyundai

Japan plans to have 6000 Honda/Toyota Hydrogen Fuel Cell cars and to build 32 stations in Tokyo, in time for the 2020 olympics: Toyota Honda in talks to put 6 000 fuel cell cars on road in Tokyo by 2020 Olympics

This reminds me of the early days of automobiles, when companies were producing electric, wood and coal fired steam autos, and gasoline vehicles. The gasoline power cars prevailed. Which one of the zero emission vehicles will prevail is yet to be determined but one will eventually out pace all the rest.

If automobiles even exist at all, since we are talking about the future of transportation - quite easily bicycles, walking and public transport options like trains, buses, and private aircraft, could well put an end to the automobile.

If by future, you mean this century, I do not see even a remote possibility of automobiles being replaced by anything. This country missed it's chance to develop nationwide mass transient. The cost is simply is too high now. Walking and biking are great if the weather's good, your area is bike and pedestrian friendly, you are in no hurry, not making a long trip, and you're physically able .

The cost was too high back then! The problem with mass transit is it works (well it CAN work very well) well in high density cities. Get away from the high densities and it can't work.

 

[Flopper]

Sorry had to work, this is a serious question? They were mass produced before gasoline cars, starting around The 1880s So think about it in over 100 years still no great leaps and bounds in battery technology, with all the money thrown at it the tech still sucks
Electric car - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, it was a very serious question. Since the OP was all about "where are the electric cars?", and the discussion has been about modern vehicles, the fact that there were electric cars in production 100 years ago doesn't seem relevant.

And are you really contending that there has been no great advancements in the technology?? Really? What part of it sucks? I can see the time required to charge could be a deterrent. But other than that, what is it that sucks about the technology? The technology can produce a very fast, very efficient, dependable car that burns no fossil fuel and has zero emissions. That sucks?

Oh, and to answer my own question (using your Wiki link), production of EVs in the US stopped in 1920. So there has been no significant production of electric cars in 95 years.

In the last 50 years there has been huge improvements in battery technology.

I drove a Volt a year ago comparing it to a hybrid similarly priced. There was no comparison. The hybrid had better pickup, was more comfortable, and had a much longer range between fuel stops/charging, and more choices. Since I was in a Condo apartment with no way to charge it at home, there was no way I would buy one. I think EV sales are going to be to niche market for a long time.

 

[westwall]

Did you bother to read my post
Quit being a liberal for once and learn

Decline and Rise of Electric Cars From 1930 to 1990

LMAO!! Quit being a liberal?

Yes, I read the article. It is still looking at small numbers for specific purposes. And your own article seems to smash your claim that there have been no "leaps & bounds" advances. The EVs in your article had ranges of less than 100 miles. The Tesla doubles that, at the very least. The speed of the EVs is also low. Whereas the Tesla has a top speed of almost double the interstate speed limit, and can go 0-60 faster than most cars. In fact, the Model S P85D will do 0-60 faster than all but a handful of specialized production hotrods, like the Viper, a very few corvette models and the Hellcat.

And production was never large scale.

The prime limitation on speed back then were the roads, which were buggy tracks. The TESLA is the rare exception in the world of EVs in that it does indeed have a decent range. It also costs 3 times as much as a conventional vehicle of similar size.

Look to the racing world for how well your EV's are doing. My favorit is the Isle of Man TT where they have a electric bike class. The best bike out there can average 117 mph over a single lap (then it is done) While the ICE powered bikes do 6 laps (two laps then refuel and replace rear tire, two more laps then repeat, then two and done) at an average speed of 130 mph.

The cost though, that's the huge difference. The ICE bikes are all under 200,000. The Electric bike is 4.3 MILLION dollars. If you want to know why EV"s aren't out there, that's the reason.



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