What Would Be Victory On The WOT?

[Annie]

This would have to be close. It's quite long, but well thought out and there are some things that are surprising:

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2005/12/considering-victory-conditions-in.html

 

[musicman]

This would have to be close. It's quite long, but well thought out and there are some things that are surprising:

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2005/12/considering-victory-conditions-in.html

Outstanding. Some of the more lucid, common-sense words I've ever read on the subject. And, the best part? It's written so that even a dope like me can understand it!

 

[Annie]

Outstanding. Some of the more lucid, common-sense words I've ever read on the subject. And, the best part? It's written so that even a dope like me can understand it!

Thanks, I liked and agreed with most of the analysis. TigerHawk has been posting some great analysis and analysis of analysis, (i.e., Den Beste), lately!
I was impressed with his short term objectives and long term objectives, we can see where we are:

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Over the short-term

a. Arrest or kill the jihadis whenever and wherever possible. Yes, their network will route around the damage, but new fighters need to be trained and trusted enough to deploy. When we destroy the old guard we buy critical time.

b. Coerce Muslim states, including especially the clown regimes, into cooperating with the United States. If successful coercion requires that the United States stake its own credibility -- as in Iraq -- so be it.

c. Interdict states, Muslim or otherwise, that we cannot reliably deter from assisting jihadis to acquire and deploy WMD.

d. Do not lose a chance to humiliate al Qaeda on the battlefield.

Each of these methods will inspire -- and have inspired -- resentment in the Muslim world and, indeed, among anti-Americans in the West. While that resentment costs us something and more skillful management of the war might mitigate it, we cannot allow the resentment of others to stay our prosecution of the war.

Over the long-term

x. Give the average Muslim an idea worth fighting for. Average Abdul need not "like" the United States or give us "credit" in any way, shape or form for this strategy to work. He only needs to want to choose his own government and have an idea how to do that.

y. As the winds of history sweep away clown regimes, see that credible, serious, non-jihadi governments take their place. These governments need not be secular, and their institutions do not have to be instantly mature. But they need to be credible and serious, and derive their legitimacy from a broad swath of the population willing to defend them against jihad.

z. We must do what we can to humiliate al Qaeda on the battlefield and foster the repudiation of jihadi ideology in the Muslim world. While public diplomacy may help, one lesson of Iraq is that al Qaeda will discredit itself if we goad it into fighting in the Muslim world rather than in the West. By some accounts, bin Laden wanted the United States to invade Iraq, thinking that it would be a strategic trap for the Americans. If al Qaeda fails to stop the new democracy there, however, Iraq will have been a strategic trap for bin Laden...