What to do if you are involved in a Self Defense Shooting.

[Levant]

Putting reasonable limitations on the sale and use of guns is no more blaming innocent people of crimes than speed limits are. Do you think drivers should be allowed to drive as fast as they want just because they haven't killed anyone yet? Reasonable limits make sense.

The limitations you're describing aren't the same as speed limits. Speed limits are laws against using your tool inappropriately or in an unsafe manner. Speed limits don't require that the car can only go 10 miles an hour or that you must use a DNA key to drive your car.

Speed limit laws are good sense. Gun brandishing laws are good sense. Banning cars because some people speed makes no sense.

 

[Levant]

What is an unarmed person to do when approached on the street by two armed thugs?

According to some here, you should grovel and beg for your life.

 

[candycorn]

This thread is tangentially associated with the now famous McMichaels shooting in Georgia. One of the things they did that was stupid was talk to the Police afterwards. I went to a local shop I visit about once a week or so. Inside, I talked to one of the clerks about this situation, and the major mistake made after the shooting. I told him that I belonged to a group that is sort of like an insurance policy for gun owners. It is called USCCA and what they say to do, is say as little as you can get away with legally to the Police after a shooting.

I gave the scenario that he was armed, and someone robs the joint. The baddie turns to go and then the clerk pulls the weapon and fires. Ok, now why did he fire would be important. What he tells the cops he was thinking/feeling is liable to make the difference on if he is charged, or not. A simple misstatement might see you charged as well. If he says he didn’t want the baddie to leave, that changes the flavor of the shooting from defensive, to aggressive, and that would be bad. The only reason to fire is I was afeared for my life, or the lives of other innocents. A lawyer would help you with that.

So what should you do? Burying the body in the backyard is not a good choice. So let’s get realistic. What you should do is exactly the same thing the Cops do. Say nothing at the scene. Make sure the cops see the scene undisturbed, and then ask for a lawyer. Because if a cop is involved in a shooting, before he gives a statement he talks to a lawyer. And that is a cop with far greater authority than you have as a normal civilian.

USCCA does provide the most important thing during that period. They provide money for a lawyer. The lawyer makes sure the story you tell the police, the truth, is phrased exactly right to insure you don’t spend years in prison for your actions. A misstatement, or a statement twisted by the police or the Prosecutor to confuse you could see you charged with a crime.

The Police are not your friend. Remember they don’t talk to each other after a shooting, so why should you talk to them?

If you are curious, check out the United States Concealed Carry Association. USCCA: Self-Defense Knowledge, Training, & Legal Protection

If you don‘t want to join, than read the blog and get some idea of what you might be facing if you use a firearm in self defense.

Final note. I am not debating the shooting in Georgia. The entire point of this is what you should do in a self defense shooting. If you talk to the police, chances are you will talk your way right into prison.

Good advice.

The police are nobody’s friend at that point. I wouldn’t say they are the enemy either. They are trying to ascertain what happened.

Get a lawyer and listen to their counsel.

 

[emilynghiem]

What should you do if involved in a self-defense shooting?

Don't be Black or White!
That's for sure!

If you're an immigrant, make sure you are in a sanctuary city before shooting anyone.

If you shoot a man you accuse of raping you, make sure he's a Republican if you want to be believed.

If you want to shoot at Republicans on a golf course, make sure you are a registered Sanders Democrat, so nobody will care.

 

[Lysistrata]

What is an unarmed person to do when approached on the street by two armed thugs?

According to some here, you should grovel and beg for your life.

Which we don't do. We are human beings and we are Americans.

 

[justinacolmena]

Putting reasonable limitations on the sale and use of guns

Ten years in prison on the slightest technicality of some fine print in one or another of the numerous progressive Democratic Party gun control bills that have been passed over the years isn't reasonable.

It's fascist.

 

[Blues Man]

The only reason to fire is I was afeared for my life, or the lives of other innocents.

Afraid = paranoid, mentally ill. Guns are banned.
"My life," lives of others? Oh, you're a danger to your self or others due to your grave mental disability, and you'll have to be committed to a mental institution for your own safety and the safety of others who might be harmed as a result of your delusional thinking disorder.

A lawyer would help you with that.

Sure. A good lawyer always asks for a mental health evaluation by order of the court before representing a client in a gun case.

The Police are not your friend.

No, they're not. Got fingerprints? DNA?Concealed carry permit? They're already working up a cold-case frame-up job and getting a jury picked out to lynch you on a cocked-up murder charge in a capital punishment state. You may not have ever even been in that state in your life, let alone at the time of the alleged murder, but they have a cloud of witnesses who "come forward" on cue.

It just happens to be a little bit more work to frame you on a murder charge than it it is to have you committed to a mental institution for life and revoke your gun rights.

Remember, there is no possible defense in court against a mental health civil commitment as there is for a criminal accusation, even though the consequences are the same: you serve hard time and lose gun rights for life.

Odd. Reasonable fear is something that anyone would feel. If someone admits to a fear of falling from the top of a skyscraper are they mentally ill? Or is it only gun owners?

Paranoid gun owners fear is more akin to fear that someone is going to push them off of a sky scraper. One might be reasonable. The other is usually nuts.

I have a Fire Extinguisher sitting next to my stove. I also have one next to my outdoor grill. Both of course, are the right ones for the types of fires likely to happen in a Kitchen. Is it a Reasonable Fear of fire or an unreasonable fear of fire that I have succumbed to?

I live in an area with likely hurricane activity. Every year I have my Generator serviced, and I check my food supplies to insure the dehydrated food is ready and still good for the upcoming year. I inspect the jugs I intend to store water in, and my solar power system that is designed to power a thermoelectric cooler in case the Generator fails. Is that a reasonable precaution against a likely event, a Hurricane, or a paranoid response?

In my car I have jumper cables, a battery jump starter, first aide kit, and flashlight. Are those reasonable precautions as recommended by the Automobile Association of America? Or a paranoid reaction to an unlikely event.

I am allergic to Wasp Stings. Next to my home First Aide Kit I keep a set of Epipens. Proscribed by my Doctor, and advised to keep them handy. I have not been stung in many years. And the last time I was able to manage the event with Benadryl without resorting to the EpiPen. I did not have difficulty breathing that time. Is it Paranoid to keep the Epipens? Or a wise precaution that might save my life?

Rural Georgia is a lot of wetlands, with associated wildlife. In the area around me I have seen sign of Wild Boar, heard Coyote’s, had reports of foxes, and of course seen snakes and other things. Snakes including Copperheads which are very dangerous to me, and my pets. When I go out into the woods on and adjacent to my property, I carry a revolver loaded with Snakeshot. I do not kill any snakes that are harmless to people and pets. I do not go looking for snakes, but if I come across a copperhead and feel it is a danger to myself or our animals I will shoot it. If it is more than a hundred feet away from the “developed” land, I leave it alone. Is that paranoid, or a reasonable precaution to save the lives of my Cats and Dog?

The line between paranoid and reasonable is not set in stone. The difference is the result if God Forbid the event happens. A couple killed in their home by an invader seems like a good proof of the need for protection. If no one attacks the home, it seems like the precaution is ridiculous.

We require people to wear seatbelts. We require new manufacture cars to have Airbags, and many other safety systems. Despite the fact that most of those cars will never be in a severe accident. An ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of Gold.

Women carry various hygiene products in their purses, or keep them in desks at work. Why? They have a good idea when the event they are preparing for will happen. Why keep things like Tampons and Pads if you know you have at least two weeks before the next event? Yet women still keep things handy despite the fact that the event is reasonably regular, and predictable. I have heard women speak badly of another who had to borrow something like that, because they were not prepared.

I have always believed that one line from the Wiccan Rede was brilliant. Ever since I first read it. As long as you harm none, do what you will. You can buy hundreds of guns and I wouldn’t care. If you use that to harm another, you need a really good reason. A reason that others, not just me, would consider to be reasonable. An intruder coming into your home to threaten you and your family is a pretty good reason in my book.

I hope I do not need the Generator this year. I hope that the Dehydrated food will stay in the bin for another year unused. I hope that I never find myself needing to jump off a car of a stranded soul, or jumping my car off to run it home. I hope I never find myself in a situation where I have to fight for my life, or the lives of my family. But wishes are not fishes. And hope does not prevent accidents, or events that are undesired. I hope never to be afflicted by a stomach virus which causes severe distress. But we all know most of those things will happen, and it is possible, that the defense situation will happen. Possible but not probable.

When the Apollo 11 and 12 crews returned to earth, they were put in biohazard suits designed to keep any space borne organisms from escaping. The experts and the astronauts knew that the odds were one in a billion that something might exist like that, and even if it did there was little chance it would affect life on Earth. However, the dangers of that one in a billion chance were catastrophic. That organism could literally wipe out all life on the planet. Granted, it was so unlikely that the odds of winning the Lottery seem good in comparison. But they took the precautions anyway. Was that paranoia, or reasonable precautions?

I don't have a problem with guns or reasonable gun owners. I have guns myself. I have a problem with gun nuts who feel the need to prance around with a gun in public 24/7. The type person who uses a gun for a political statement, or a fashion statement, and thinks that any attempt to keep guns away from those that shouldn't have them is out of the question. There is a big difference between a responsible gun owner and paranoid gun nuts.

A concealed weapon by definition is not a fashion statement.

As far as I'm concerned a concealed handgun is no diffident that a pocket knife both are tools I carry when I think I should.

I could be standing right next to you and you would have no clue if i was carrying or not.

And we already have thousands of gun laws on the books that state who can and cannot legally own a gun the problem is those laws are simply not enforced

 

[Blues Man]

I don't have a problem with guns or reasonable gun owners.

I'm a reasonable gun owner, and you Dems will simply not cease and desist from filing false and slanderous criminal and civil charges of mental illness against me. You and your kind are not being reasonable in any way, shape, or form.

There is a big difference between a responsible gun owner and paranoid gun nuts.

Guns are not sex toys, and gun boobs are no better than gun nuts. People who haven't done anything wrong with a gun shouldn't be held "responsible" for crimes they did not commit.

Putting reasonable limitations on the sale and use of guns is no more blaming innocent people of crimes than speed limits are. Do you think drivers should be allowed to drive as fast as they want just because they haven't killed anyone yet? Reasonable limits make sense.

Speed limits are more laws that aren't enforced very well at all

 

[BULLDOG]

Putting reasonable limitations on the sale and use of guns

Ten years in prison on the slightest technicality of some fine print in one or another of the numerous progressive Democratic Party gun control bills that have been passed over the years isn't reasonable.

It's fascist.

example?

 

[Lysistrata]

Self-shootings are rare indeed, There is no "self defense" when one confronts another with a gun on the street. There is no right to stop anyone. If you are talking about Mr. Arbery's killing in Georgia, travis McMichael had no right to stop him and kill him.

 

[Flash]

The problem is that you always assume that you are in the right and if you just tell the nice policemen what really happen then they will tell you "good shoot" and then leave.

Everything they are trained to do is to find out why it wasn't a "good shoot" and if you say something wrong then you could be in big trouble.

My response would be "I will be very glad to cooperate with you officer after I consult with my lawyer". I would do that even if it meant taking a trip downtown in the back of the squad car.