What the state says and what the people saw.

[ClaireH]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

 

[Indeependent]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

 

[ClaireH]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

The current price for parochial school In my local area is $13,000 a year for high school. My area is not well-suited for a 13,000 a year tuition cost for high school. Most parents with kids in high school are saving to help their kids with college expenses and cannot afford the high cost of parochial instruction. I have neighbors who are sending their three kids to that high school I mentioned. The husband works two jobs and she works one outside of the home. It is ridiculous what some of these parochial schools charge and it definitely reduces the numbers who can attend.

 

[Indeependent]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

The current price for parochial school In my local area is $13,000 a year for high school. My area is not well-suited for a 13,000 a year tuition cost for high school. Most parents with kids in high school are saving to help their kids with college expenses and cannot afford the high cost of parochial instruction. I have neighbors who are sending their three kids to that high school I mentioned. The husband works two jobs and she works one outside of the home. It is ridiculous what some of these parochial schools charge and it definitely reduces the numbers who can attend.

It's price one pays for avoiding brain washing.
I made my kids watch all the news channels and made sure they knew who their Municipal, State and Federal Reps were.
Out children have to know that spending 20 years pursuing an solid education in math, science, economics and finance will help them avoid being screwed when they grow up.
No schools teach Home Economics or why businesses hire and/or fire.

 

[Dragonlady]

The stupid never will end will it?

Not likely to end so long as schools are allowed to indoctrinate rather than educate.

The biggest threat the left is "the virus". People are teaching their (surviving) children at home rather than packing off to you mind-numbing indoctrination centers. In a generation The Democrat Party will be but a cautionary memory.

Only indoctrinated right wingers say that instead of being grateful for modern broadband times and learning as much they want on the Internet.

"Modern broadband times" used to be a wonderful thing. Twenty years back I would dance daily just thinking of being alive at such a time. In comes a new phase of intentional measures to censor information.

The days of trusting certain search engines (primarily Google, Bing, Yahoo) to show you all available facts are gone, they are completely biased. I've done a few tests to see for myself and found that DuckDuckGo is better balanced, the other three more like a see saw weighted down on one side. That goes against our goals for transparency, our freedom of choice, and as you've stated prevents "learning as much as they want".

As a fair and honest person, I demand at least two sides of the propaganda coin or bust! All jokes aside, people deserve to know what goes on in the world, even when a political party would prefer that only their side is represented. I call foul!

I was on the internet 20 years ago, and my recollection is quite different. I found that NOTHING I was looking for was actually on the internet and all of my searches lead me down a lot of rabbit holes, but seldom provided me with the information I actually wanted or needed, and porn was everywhere.

As a work resources, once all of the statutes and property records started to get up loaded, it was terrific. Instead of going from government office to government office, delivery search letters and waiting for responses, we could log into government offices and do our searches right from our own desks. Once electronic registration came into being, we were away to the races, we could close deals from our own desks.

I'm not really interest in proganda from either side. I'd rather have facts and data. I don't need to be told what it all means. I can figure it all out for myself.

Well you missed my joke ,that happens, regarding wanting propaganda from both sides.

Twenty years ago I was researching information to help a family member try to survive pancreatic cancer. I was able to connect with John Hopkins as well as read the latest medical journals written by surgeons. I also learned about drugs that were available from Canadian pharmacies that had not been approved by FDA that were considered superior to those available and was able to get two meds that proved effective into the treatment plan . Unfortunately, all of the information in the world at the time could not save someone with stage 4 PC, and sadly is pretty much still the same case.

I was also starting a family tree and the research on the Internet was, and still is, most helpful. It was a world of difference of going to the library and then suddenly having access to global information all at once.

Politics at that time was on a back burner, although I found political chat more entertaining than informative.

I'm sorry for your loss. I have friends whose daughter had a rare form of non-Hodgins Lymphoma, which returns time and time again until it kills you, in the late 1990's and they used it to find treatments for their daughter's cancer. Their story does have a happy ending. Their daughter is still living.

The internet was intended as a scientific research tool, so not surprisingly, scientific information was the first available, along with the porn (every communication system ever invented was first used to create pornography).

Yes, I've been doing research on my family history as well. My mother's family has been in Canada since 1741. My grandfather on my father's side, arrived in Canada as an orphan in 1891, and I was able to track him back to his family in England. My mother's family has made a very big deal of their geneology, and our family has a whole section in the Canadian Encyclopedia on the contribution to the founding of Quebec by our original ancestor, and the "dynasty" he founded in Quebec, making research so much eaiser.

 

[my2¢]

What the people saw was way less influential then what they heard. Trump and his followers can make up their own interpretation of events seen but no interpretation was necessary to recognize which candidate tried to strong arm an election official into ignoring the ballot count and instead give him the win.

 

[danielpalos]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

Maybe, if right wingers were less bigoted and less fascist, we would not have the problems we currently do.

 

[ClaireH]

The stupid never will end will it?

Not likely to end so long as schools are allowed to indoctrinate rather than educate.

The biggest threat the left is "the virus". People are teaching their (surviving) children at home rather than packing off to you mind-numbing indoctrination centers. In a generation The Democrat Party will be but a cautionary memory.

Only indoctrinated right wingers say that instead of being grateful for modern broadband times and learning as much they want on the Internet.

"Modern broadband times" used to be a wonderful thing. Twenty years back I would dance daily just thinking of being alive at such a time. In comes a new phase of intentional measures to censor information.

The days of trusting certain search engines (primarily Google, Bing, Yahoo) to show you all available facts are gone, they are completely biased. I've done a few tests to see for myself and found that DuckDuckGo is better balanced, the other three more like a see saw weighted down on one side. That goes against our goals for transparency, our freedom of choice, and as you've stated prevents "learning as much as they want".

As a fair and honest person, I demand at least two sides of the propaganda coin or bust! All jokes aside, people deserve to know what goes on in the world, even when a political party would prefer that only their side is represented. I call foul!

I was on the internet 20 years ago, and my recollection is quite different. I found that NOTHING I was looking for was actually on the internet and all of my searches lead me down a lot of rabbit holes, but seldom provided me with the information I actually wanted or needed, and porn was everywhere.

As a work resources, once all of the statutes and property records started to get up loaded, it was terrific. Instead of going from government office to government office, delivery search letters and waiting for responses, we could log into government offices and do our searches right from our own desks. Once electronic registration came into being, we were away to the races, we could close deals from our own desks.

I'm not really interest in proganda from either side. I'd rather have facts and data. I don't need to be told what it all means. I can figure it all out for myself.

Well you missed my joke ,that happens, regarding wanting propaganda from both sides.

Twenty years ago I was researching information to help a family member try to survive pancreatic cancer. I was able to connect with John Hopkins as well as read the latest medical journals written by surgeons. I also learned about drugs that were available from Canadian pharmacies that had not been approved by FDA that were considered superior to those available and was able to get two meds that proved effective into the treatment plan . Unfortunately, all of the information in the world at the time could not save someone with stage 4 PC, and sadly is pretty much still the same case.

I was also starting a family tree and the research on the Internet was, and still is, most helpful. It was a world of difference of going to the library and then suddenly having access to global information all at once.

Politics at that time was on a back burner, although I found political chat more entertaining than informative.

I'm sorry for your loss. I have friends whose daughter had a rare form of non-Hodgins Lymphoma, which returns time and time again until it kills you, in the late 1990's and they used it to find treatments for their daughter's cancer. Their story does have a happy ending. Their daughter is still living.

The internet was intended as a scientific research tool, so not surprisingly, scientific information was the first available, along with the porn (every communication system ever invented was first used to create pornography).

Yes, I've been doing research on my family history as well. My mother's family has been in Canada since 1741. My grandfather on my father's side, arrived in Canada as an orphan in 1891, and I was able to track him back to his family in England. My mother's family has made a very big deal of their geneology, and our family has a whole section in the Canadian Encyclopedia on the contribution to the founding of Quebec by our original ancestor, and the "dynasty" he founded in Quebec, making research so much eaiser.

It is so fascinating to be able to go back so many years in time and find actual letters written and saved, during a time (1800’s) when many people used the inside cover of their Bible to document the names of their children, grandchildren etc. There are so many kind souls sharing their documents online, as well as all governmental records that are available.

I’ve been able to trace my maternal line much easier than my paternal as far as reaching back to determine origins. On my mom’s paternal line back to the German huguenots who were persecuted and fled to the United States. On my father’s side, however, I hit a dead end in the states with two males born the same year in same town, with same mother’s maiden name, so I got stuck not knowing which one was my line! I’ve yet to go back to that “branch“ but plan to soon to see if there’s been any new information on ancestry. I’ve been contacted by several relatives via email (via ancestry), second and third cousins, who I had no idea existed but are living in the same state. Really an incredible project for anyone with interest in their family roots!
Good luck on your continued journey and thank you for your kind words.

 

[Dragonlady]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education. They buy the text books, and they set the cirriculum. Republicans have been dumbing down your education system for 40 years, and blaming teachers unions for the decline. Paying shit wages so that only people who can't get a better paying job, become teachers, or those who are willing to work two or three jobs, so they can have a decent quality of life, to do something they love.

But of course it's the teacher's fault because they're all communists, and they're indoctrinating the children. It's just horrible.

Riiiiiiiight!

 

[Indeependent]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education. They buy the text books, and they set the cirriculum. Republicans have been dumbing down your education system for 40 years, and blaming teachers unions for the decline. Paying shit wages so that only people who can't get a better paying job, become teachers, or those who are willing to work two or three jobs, so they can have a decent quality of life, to do something they love.

But of course it's the teacher's fault because they're all communists, and they're indoctrinating the children. It's just horrible.

Riiiiiiiight!

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education
The public schools are run by the State and almost all of them are run by professional civil servants, who are Democrats.
Republicans may dictate math, science and English, but it's the States that force the acceptance of 50 genders and how to provide oral pleasure.

 

[danielpalos]

Republicans may dictate math, science and English, but it's the States that force the acceptance of 50 genders and how to provide oral pleasure.

Did you know that our original Constitution and Bill of Rights were both gender and race neutral from intelligent design and Inception?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

If republicans are so good at math, why did they invade Afghanistan and not be able to win that war?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Interesting. This was placed in the conspiracy theory section, yet none of the hundreds and hundreds of Trump Russian collusion hoax threads were treated in the same way.

There is an obvious double standard at work here.

 

[ClaireH]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education. They buy the text books, and they set the cirriculum. Republicans have been dumbing down your education system for 40 years, and blaming teachers unions for the decline. Paying shit wages so that only people who can't get a better paying job, become teachers, or those who are willing to work two or three jobs, so they can have a decent quality of life, to do something they love.

But of course it's the teacher's fault because they're all communists, and they're indoctrinating the children. It's just horrible.

Riiiiiiiight!

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education
The public schools are run by the State.
Republicans may dictate math, science and English, but it's the States that force the acceptance of 50 genders and how to provide oral pleasure.

I have worked for three different public school corporations. I have never been forced to teach a specific coursework, other than when I filled in for another teacher on maternity leave and I followed her lesson plans. Since I was not certified to teach math but only on a temporary basis, (contract was extended) I used what was given to me in lesson plans.There doesn’t seem to be much indoctrination going on in maths.

Even when a teacher has a teacher supervisor (first year normally at least in my area) I was given options and could come up with my own lesson plans teaching 5th/6th grade social studies at the time. Teachers are often observed by vice principals and/or their supervisors. I’ve had both.

Edit- I worked with a team of teachers during that time and it was most helpful as far as being conducive to learning. The 5th/6th science teacher and I would correspond lesson plans, as I did on occasion with language arts team teacher. We also had a special Ed teacher and we would incorporate her ideas into the classroom to help with specific students.

I understand that there are teachers who take advantage of their students, in the way that they feel they know all and think that narrowing the scope of information is somehow helpful to students. Unfortunately, there are many inept school board members as well as administrators who are of the same mind set, thinking that their way is the only way and support a limited doctrine of teaching. Information should always be age-appropriate, and in my opinion when the kids begin to ask questions they have signaled that they are ready for the information. It still needs to be handled in a delicate fashion when we’re talking politics or religion, and no public school is a church or government agency, at least not currently.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education. They buy the text books, and they set the cirriculum. Republicans have been dumbing down your education system for 40 years, and blaming teachers unions for the decline. Paying shit wages so that only people who can't get a better paying job, become teachers, or those who are willing to work two or three jobs, so they can have a decent quality of life, to do something they love.

But of course it's the teacher's fault because they're all communists, and they're indoctrinating the children. It's just horrible.

Riiiiiiiight!

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education
The public schools are run by the State.
Republicans may dictate math, science and English, but it's the States that force the acceptance of 50 genders and how to provide oral pleasure.

I have worked for three different public school corporations. I have never been forced to teach a specific coursework, other than when I filled in for another teacher on maternity leave and I followed her lesson plans. Since I was not certified to teach math but only on a temporary basis, (contract was extended) I used what was given to me in lesson plans.There doesn’t seem to be much indoctrination going on in maths.

Even when a teacher has a teacher supervisor (first year normally at least in my area) I was given options and could come up with my own lesson plans teaching 5th/6th grade social studies at the time. Teachers are often observed by vice principals and/or their supervisors. I’ve had both.

I understand there are teachers who take advantage of their students, in the way that they feel they know all and think that narrowing the scope of information is somehow helpful to students. Unfortunately there are many inept school board members as well as administrators who are of the same mind set, and think that their way is the only way and support a limited doctrine of teaching. Information should always be age-appropriate, but in my opinion when the kids begin to ask questions they have signaled that they are ready for the information. It still needs to be handled in a delicate fashion when we’re talking politics or religion, and no public school is a church or government agency, at least not currently.

When my younger son graduated in 2000, his high school reserved its very highest accolades for what it called "the social justice award". In this case, it was not just one teacher deciding to indoctrinate but an entire school that had made indoctrination its goal.

 

[ClaireH]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education. They buy the text books, and they set the cirriculum. Republicans have been dumbing down your education system for 40 years, and blaming teachers unions for the decline. Paying shit wages so that only people who can't get a better paying job, become teachers, or those who are willing to work two or three jobs, so they can have a decent quality of life, to do something they love.

But of course it's the teacher's fault because they're all communists, and they're indoctrinating the children. It's just horrible.

Riiiiiiiight!

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education
The public schools are run by the State.
Republicans may dictate math, science and English, but it's the States that force the acceptance of 50 genders and how to provide oral pleasure.

I have worked for three different public school corporations. I have never been forced to teach a specific coursework, other than when I filled in for another teacher on maternity leave and I followed her lesson plans. Since I was not certified to teach math but only on a temporary basis, (contract was extended) I used what was given to me in lesson plans.There doesn’t seem to be much indoctrination going on in maths.

Even when a teacher has a teacher supervisor (first year normally at least in my area) I was given options and could come up with my own lesson plans teaching 5th/6th grade social studies at the time. Teachers are often observed by vice principals and/or their supervisors. I’ve had both.

I understand there are teachers who take advantage of their students, in the way that they feel they know all and think that narrowing the scope of information is somehow helpful to students. Unfortunately there are many inept school board members as well as administrators who are of the same mind set, and think that their way is the only way and support a limited doctrine of teaching. Information should always be age-appropriate, but in my opinion when the kids begin to ask questions they have signaled that they are ready for the information. It still needs to be handled in a delicate fashion when we’re talking politics or religion, and no public school is a church or government agency, at least not currently.

When my younger son graduated in 2000, his high school reserved its very highest accolades for what it called "the social justice award". In this case, it was not just one teacher deciding to indoctrinate but an entire school that had made indoctrination its goal.

Wow, that doesn’t sound like a bad award social justice if it’s similar to a good citizenship award? Those awards are so positively received in the grade schools. It also gives kids who aren’t academically inclined an opportunity to really have pride in doing something of value and recognized for it: being kind to others, doing the right thing, etc. i’ve seen the sweetest students just beam from getting these kinds of awards and they earned the rewards . Rarely, if ever, would a teacher leave a deserving student out of receiving the citizenship award, at least from my experience. One year, almost an entire class received it and a few parents stifled their giggling because they kept calling names , but they each deserved it.

That is a shame that, for whatever reason, they felt it wasn’t a good thing to be recognized for proactive, positive social behavior.

 

[ClaireH]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education. They buy the text books, and they set the cirriculum. Republicans have been dumbing down your education system for 40 years, and blaming teachers unions for the decline. Paying shit wages so that only people who can't get a better paying job, become teachers, or those who are willing to work two or three jobs, so they can have a decent quality of life, to do something they love.

But of course it's the teacher's fault because they're all communists, and they're indoctrinating the children. It's just horrible.

Riiiiiiiight!

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education
The public schools are run by the State.
Republicans may dictate math, science and English, but it's the States that force the acceptance of 50 genders and how to provide oral pleasure.

I have worked for three different public school corporations. I have never been forced to teach a specific coursework, other than when I filled in for another teacher on maternity leave and I followed her lesson plans. Since I was not certified to teach math but only on a temporary basis, (contract was extended) I used what was given to me in lesson plans.There doesn’t seem to be much indoctrination going on in maths.

Even when a teacher has a teacher supervisor (first year normally at least in my area) I was given options and could come up with my own lesson plans teaching 5th/6th grade social studies at the time. Teachers are often observed by vice principals and/or their supervisors. I’ve had both.

I understand there are teachers who take advantage of their students, in the way that they feel they know all and think that narrowing the scope of information is somehow helpful to students. Unfortunately there are many inept school board members as well as administrators who are of the same mind set, and think that their way is the only way and support a limited doctrine of teaching. Information should always be age-appropriate, but in my opinion when the kids begin to ask questions they have signaled that they are ready for the information. It still needs to be handled in a delicate fashion when we’re talking politics or religion, and no public school is a church or government agency, at least not currently.

When my younger son graduated in 2000, his high school reserved its very highest accolades for what it called "the social justice award". In this case, it was not just one teacher deciding to indoctrinate but an entire school that had made indoctrination its goal.

In reading your post again Dogmaphobe maybe if you could give me more information about what that award entails- social justice -that almost sounds like it’s overboard, extreme, so maybe that’s the problem.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

That is a shame that, for whatever reason, they felt it wasn’t a good thing to be recognized for proactive, positive social behavior.

That was not it at all. They were rewarding critical race theory type political behavior.

Schools should NOT be rewarding kids for politics. Their job is to teach, not craft political ideology. If a school in, say, South Carolina were to hand out a "white knight" award to the kid who was the most shining example of the white race, I would feel just as strongly.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

In reading your post again Dogmaphobe maybe if you could give me more information about what that award entails- social justice -that almost sounds like it’s overboard, extreme, so maybe that’s the problem.

My son described her as a bossy little annoyance constantly getting in everybody's face demanding they apologize for their skin color and admit they were privileged, telling them they were racist if they did not agree, harassed them if they did not think black people should automatically be first in line for jobs or had any thought at all that diverged from her own.

 

[Dragonlady]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

That is horrendous. Schools that embrace providing students with the tools to become independent thinkers should do one of two things. For students of the lower grades its a good standard to leave out politics as far as expressing personal opinions. Most parents really have a problem with public teachers trying to indoctrinate students politically or religiously under their own viewpoints, regardless of that viewpoint. High school/ middle school kids will straight out ask teachers who they voted for etc. When kids ask questions they are ready for answers, but with politics it’s a slippery slope. Parents of older kids still don’t want teachers indoctrinating their political or religious views onto their students in public schools. Unless I taught Government/Civics or US History, I would stay away from it myself unless a student asked for my views I might engage- it would depend on the student most likely and would definitely make it clear that was only my personal opinion and not the school’s.

Our public schools, occupied by Liberals, are also convincing our US born children that Africans and Asians are smarter than them aka cheap Business Visas.
You have no idea what the cesspools are doing to the future of the US.
It's a nightmare.
The Christians I work with start off sending their kids to public school and then switch them to Parochial school.

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education. They buy the text books, and they set the cirriculum. Republicans have been dumbing down your education system for 40 years, and blaming teachers unions for the decline. Paying shit wages so that only people who can't get a better paying job, become teachers, or those who are willing to work two or three jobs, so they can have a decent quality of life, to do something they love.

But of course it's the teacher's fault because they're all communists, and they're indoctrinating the children. It's just horrible.

Riiiiiiiight!

Your public schools are run by Republican State Departments of Education
The public schools are run by the State and almost all of them are run by professional civil servants, who are Democrats.
Republicans may dictate math, science and English, but it's the States that force the acceptance of 50 genders and how to provide oral pleasure.

I have a friend who teaches in a high school in Nebraska where the girls have "virginity ceremonies". They promise their fathers to remain virgins until they marry. These girls will take it up the ass, and give their boyfriends blow jobs, all in an effort to keep that precious hymen intact. She said the questions she's been asked by these apple cheeked Christian girls, are SHOCKING!! You have to pay extra with any hooker to get them to do any of the stuff these girls are doing for free.

Christian fundamentalists are responsible for 13% of all abortions in the USA. Those gals are sewing their wild oats on Saturday night and praying for a crop failure come Sunday morning.

So please, bitch, don't try to tell me how morally corrupt and perverted the left is. And don't get me started on the misogyny of telling girls that without their hymen, they're worthless, and no man would want to marry them.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I have a friend who teaches in a high school in Nebraska where the girls have "virginity ceremonies".

If that is school sanctioned, it does not belong, either.

Have you ever considered following principles instead of just being a partisan hack, though? Certain things belong in school, and others do not.