What the state says and what the people saw.

[Winco]

Not likely to end so long as schools are allowed to indoctrinate rather than educate.

The indoctrination happening right now is what is happening to YOU from the right wing.
Diving the Nation.
Spreading hate.
All based on lies, repeated lies, then those lies repeated again and again.

That is the true indoctrination.

Schools are far from this malfeasance promoted by the right

 

[Dragonlady]

The stupid never will end will it?

Not likely to end so long as schools are allowed to indoctrinate rather than educate.

The biggest threat the left is "the virus". People are teaching their (surviving) children at home rather than packing off to you mind-numbing indoctrination centers. In a generation The Democrat Party will be but a cautionary memory.

Only indoctrinated right wingers say that instead of being grateful for modern broadband times and learning as much they want on the Internet.

"Modern broadband times" used to be a wonderful thing. Twenty years back I would dance daily just thinking of being alive at such a time. In comes a new phase of intentional measures to censor information.

The days of trusting certain search engines (primarily Google, Bing, Yahoo) to show you all available facts are gone, they are completely biased. I've done a few tests to see for myself and found that DuckDuckGo is better balanced, the other three more like a see saw weighted down on one side. That goes against our goals for transparency, our freedom of choice, and as you've stated prevents "learning as much as they want".

As a fair and honest person, I demand at least two sides of the propaganda coin or bust! All jokes aside, people deserve to know what goes on in the world, even when a political party would prefer that only their side is represented. I call foul!

I was on the internet 20 years ago, and my recollection is quite different. I found that NOTHING I was looking for was actually on the internet and all of my searches lead me down a lot of rabbit holes, but seldom provided me with the information I actually wanted or needed, and porn was everywhere.

As a work resources, once all of the statutes and property records started to get up loaded, it was terrific. Instead of going from government office to government office, delivery search letters and waiting for responses, we could log into government offices and do our searches right from our own desks. Once electronic registration came into being, we were away to the races, we could close deals from our own desks.

I'm not really interest in proganda from either side. I'd rather have facts and data. I don't need to be told what it all means. I can figure it all out for myself.

 

[jackflash]

After an election where the winning side waited to see the vote count for the incumbent and then calibrated fraudulent votes to overcome the lead in key swing states, some might wonder how this could have happened in the world’s largest democracy. The answer hides in plain sight.

America’s democracy is not in the possession of the people, it is state-owned and leased to the People’s Republic of China. The Confucius hordes have been spreading money around Washington for decades, they have penetrated our colleges and universities and they wield control of our media that would make Stalin and Lenin drool with envy.

The outgoing president challenged and exposed the state by highlighting its relationship with a Billion-strong, gold-bearing enemy that wants to replace America as the preeminent economic leader of the world. In 2016 he led what was essentially an unanticipated uprising of the people against a government that had sold them out for future considerations when the Chinese yuan ultimately replaces the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

The people-friendly insolent president upset the timetable of the state sellout by waking up the citizens to the fact that government had abandoned them.

US intelligence agencies, partnered with cooperative state media, fabricated an Orwellian scorched-earth landscape littered with the barbed wire of false investigations and phony accusations of enemy collusion financed by odious opposition research by domestic and foreign operatives to hobble the administration for all four years of its existence. It even contaminated American football, the country’s most popular televised sport, to tar and feather the president with the cultural Molotov Cocktail of White Supremacy.

Orchestrated state violence became what can only be described as CIA street theater while businesses burned, and people actually died in the service of the great lie that the people’s president was worse than Lucifer personified. The state went to high extremes to survive even condoning convenient censorship of opposition by social media platforms.

The Capitol incident was the inevitable result of the barefaced theft of an American election, but even that event was almost certainly infiltrated by US intelligence to gin up the violence. It had the fingerprints of false flag strategy all over it which will likely come out in the future.

What the state says and what the people saw was as far apart as light is from dark. The Third World has made it here and China smiles.

https://www.usglc.org/media/2018/04/USGLC-Fact-Sheet-Chinas-Growing-Influence.pdf

USDCNY | Chinese Yuan Overview | MarketWatch

USDCNY | A complete Chinese Yuan currency overview by MarketWatch. View the currency market news and exchange rates to see currency strength.

www.marketwatch.com

@ Ray9; the 'Kings Of The East' have been long known about, like somewhere around two thousand years ago they were first mentioned. While the Kings of the east are the kings that will finally form a unified one world government, it will hardly be a peaceful unification. Communalism was mankind's first religion & as such will be mankind's last religion. The hive mentality of communalism has ALWAYS ended up in the mass destruction of any & all humanity when ever/where ever it is adopted as the religion of choice. It is in mankind's nature to destroy themselves so no need to get concerned about the inevitable. Just take it easy when/while you can & when THAT TIME arrives make sure to go down swinging as it sure as hell beats going out crawling on ones hands & knees with a whimper.

 

[Winco]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

 

[Asclepias]

After an election where the winning side waited to see the vote count for the incumbent and then calibrated fraudulent votes to overcome the lead in key swing states, some might wonder how this could have happened in the world’s largest democracy. The answer hides in plain sight.

America’s democracy is not in the possession of the people, it is state-owned and leased to the People’s Republic of China. The Confucius hordes have been spreading money around Washington for decades, they have penetrated our colleges and universities and they wield control of our media that would make Stalin and Lenin drool with envy.

The outgoing president challenged and exposed the state by highlighting its relationship with a Billion-strong, gold-bearing enemy that wants to replace America as the preeminent economic leader of the world. In 2016 he led what was essentially an unanticipated uprising of the people against a government that had sold them out for future considerations when the Chinese yuan ultimately replaces the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

The people-friendly insolent president upset the timetable of the state sellout by waking up the citizens to the fact that government had abandoned them.

US intelligence agencies, partnered with cooperative state media, fabricated an Orwellian scorched-earth landscape littered with the barbed wire of false investigations and phony accusations of enemy collusion financed by odious opposition research by domestic and foreign operatives to hobble the administration for all four years of its existence. It even contaminated American football, the country’s most popular televised sport, to tar and feather the president with the cultural Molotov Cocktail of White Supremacy.

Orchestrated state violence became what can only be described as CIA street theater while businesses burned, and people actually died in the service of the great lie that the people’s president was worse than Lucifer personified. The state went to high extremes to survive even condoning convenient censorship of opposition by social media platforms.

The Capitol incident was the inevitable result of the barefaced theft of an American election, but even that event was almost certainly infiltrated by US intelligence to gin up the violence. It had the fingerprints of false flag strategy all over it which will likely come out in the future.

What the state says and what the people saw was as far apart as light is from dark. The Third World has made it here and China smiles.

https://www.usglc.org/media/2018/04/USGLC-Fact-Sheet-Chinas-Growing-Influence.pdf

USDCNY | Chinese Yuan Overview | MarketWatch

USDCNY | A complete Chinese Yuan currency overview by MarketWatch. View the currency market news and exchange rates to see currency strength.

www.marketwatch.com

You and the orange clown lost. Yet you clowns continue the embarrassment. Isnt it enough that republican voting officials called bullshit on your claims? Isnt it enough Dump appointed judges laughed his cases out of court?

 

[night_son]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

Hmm . . .

That's a tough one. I haven't attended a public school since 1991. That being said, I could speak to what I've seen of public school curricula via helping my nieces and nephews with their homework and studies over the past several years. However, you did not want second hand experiences. What I can speak to is six semesters spent in a Baltimore university from 2014-2019 spent completing a graduate degree in political psychology. From this experience I could lay out the deep radical leftist brainwashing of young college age Americans, whose studies in even STEM related academic departments are saturated with required courses in postmodernism, Chinese culture and language, and Critical Race Theory—all of which have nothing to do with their chosen majors. Yes, I could speak to all of that, but somehow I imagine it all would be lost on your ideologically pre-programmed responses. Suffice it to say public education curricula here in America is saturated at all grade and university levels with the most stomach churning historical revisionism and anti-American ideology.

 

[Winco]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

Hmm . . .

That's a tough one. I haven't attended a public school since 1991. That being said, I could speak to what I've seen of public school curricula via helping my nieces and nephews with their homework and studies over the past several years. However, you did not want second hand experiences. What I can speak to is six semesters spent in a Baltimore university from 2014-2019 spent completing a graduate degree in political psychology. From this experience I could lay out the deep radical leftist brainwashing of young college age Americans, whose studies in even STEM related academic departments are saturated with required courses in postmodernism, Chinese culture and language, and Critical Race Theory—all of which have nothing to do with their chosen majors. Yes, I could speak to all of that, but somehow I imagine it all would be lost on your ideologically pre-programmed responses. Suffice it to say public education curricula here in America is saturated at all grade and university levels with the most stomach churning historical revisionism and anti-American ideology.

Fair enough to challenge me.

I have been a public school math teacher for 36 years.
I cannot remember a time that politics ever entered my classroom.
You care to argue?

 

[Mac1958]

Fantasy. Group psychosis. Rampant paranoia. Brought to you by 30 years of talk radio.

And ten years of internet crap

Yep. Talk radio was the first wave, then came the internet. The alternate universe is born.

Pretty soon we'll need interpreters to communicate with them.

 

[Ray9]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

Hmm . . .

That's a tough one. I haven't attended a public school since 1991. That being said, I could speak to what I've seen of public school curricula via helping my nieces and nephews with their homework and studies over the past several years. However, you did not want second hand experiences. What I can speak to is six semesters spent in a Baltimore university from 2014-2019 spent completing a graduate degree in political psychology. From this experience I could lay out the deep radical leftist brainwashing of young college age Americans, whose studies in even STEM related academic departments are saturated with required courses in postmodernism, Chinese culture and language, and Critical Race Theory—all of which have nothing to do with their chosen majors. Yes, I could speak to all of that, but somehow I imagine it all would be lost on your ideologically pre-programmed responses. Suffice it to say public education curricula here in America is saturated at all grade and university levels with the most stomach churning historical revisionism and anti-American ideology.

Fair enough to challenge me.

I have been a public school math teacher for 36 years.
I cannot remember a time that politics ever entered my classroom.
You care to argue?

I can recall occasions in the very early 1960's when a teacher would stand at the head of the class and spout off on some political ideology. It was always a one-off event where the kids would sit and and think WTF?

Now a very nasty crusading group-think psychology is weaved into the fabric of education like a carcinogenic chemical that eventually kills the recipient over time as a steady slow poison. Organized education is unionized and sits in the pocket of the state. What is good for the state is good for education.

American education has abandoned the principle that how people think is much more important the what they think. There are two lines of battle for the hearts and minds of the people-state philosophy and individual observation.

Going against the state has consequences. Even a popular leader can be vanquished by central authority.

 

[Ray9]

Official line:

The president was not removed because he went against the state, he was taken down after four years of state propaganda because the people suddenly awoke to the fact that he was a bad man. The people needed the state to help them get rid of this bad man, See? It is all so simple.

The people could not conclude this on their own, they needed the state to do it for them by trashing the election process which will never be trusted again. It had to be done because the state is best for the people. See how simple it is? It is really, really simple. Look at history. Now America in on board the rest of the world and everything will be wonderful just like it has always been everywhere else but the US.

It is so, so simple. Why didn't the people think of that? Good thing they had the state to think for them and act in their best interest. That is what the state is for you know.

 

[Dragonlady]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

Hmm . . .

That's a tough one. I haven't attended a public school since 1991. That being said, I could speak to what I've seen of public school curricula via helping my nieces and nephews with their homework and studies over the past several years. However, you did not want second hand experiences. What I can speak to is six semesters spent in a Baltimore university from 2014-2019 spent completing a graduate degree in political psychology. From this experience I could lay out the deep radical leftist brainwashing of young college age Americans, whose studies in even STEM related academic departments are saturated with required courses in postmodernism, Chinese culture and language, and Critical Race Theory—all of which have nothing to do with their chosen majors. Yes, I could speak to all of that, but somehow I imagine it all would be lost on your ideologically pre-programmed responses. Suffice it to say public education curricula here in America is saturated at all grade and university levels with the most stomach churning historical revisionism and anti-American ideology.

You've just regurgitated right wing talking points.

What you have failed to note is that China has made vast investments in the American universities and schools, funding programs, and infrastructure. All of that stopped when Trump started his trade wars, but American Universities have been very welcoming of the money. It's hard to imagine that the Chinese were donating all of this money or making these investments out of the goodness of their hearts. And yet Americans have welcomed the money without asking why?

The Chinese are also buying farms in North America. I saw that here before I retired in "Foodland Ontario". Chinese farmers buying prime agricultural land - paying cash. People who couldn't even speak English. Acting for one farm family selling to a Chinese farmer, with the ink still wet on his immigration papers. I couldn't help but wonder where a simple farmer gets the capital to buy a $1.2 million dollar piece of property, with no mortgage, having just emmigrated from a communist country.

 

[danielpalos]

In my own test Microsoft's Google was the most biased, while Bing was second runner up fared a bit better
but still one-sided.

Google uses the users history to come up with results related to previous searches. It can be handy, but can also seem like censorship when don't want the most relevant results (as rated by previous searches). Using broader terms or even more specific terms can help widen or narrow the results.

 

[Ray9]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

Hmm . . .

That's a tough one. I haven't attended a public school since 1991. That being said, I could speak to what I've seen of public school curricula via helping my nieces and nephews with their homework and studies over the past several years. However, you did not want second hand experiences. What I can speak to is six semesters spent in a Baltimore university from 2014-2019 spent completing a graduate degree in political psychology. From this experience I could lay out the deep radical leftist brainwashing of young college age Americans, whose studies in even STEM related academic departments are saturated with required courses in postmodernism, Chinese culture and language, and Critical Race Theory—all of which have nothing to do with their chosen majors. Yes, I could speak to all of that, but somehow I imagine it all would be lost on your ideologically pre-programmed responses. Suffice it to say public education curricula here in America is saturated at all grade and university levels with the most stomach churning historical revisionism and anti-American ideology.

You've just regurgitated right wing talking points.

What you have failed to note is that China has made vast investments in the American universities and schools, funding programs, and infrastructure. All of that stopped when Trump started his trade wars, but American Universities have been very welcoming of the money. It's hard to imagine that the Chinese were donating all of this money or making these investments out of the goodness of their hearts. And yet Americans have welcomed the money without asking why?

The Chinese are also buying farms in North America. I saw that here before I retired in "Foodland Ontario". Chinese farmers buying prime agricultural land - paying cash. People who couldn't even speak English. Acting for one farm family selling to a Chinese farmer, with the ink still wet on his immigration papers. I couldn't help but wonder where a simple farmer gets the capital to buy a $1.2 million dollar piece of property, with no mortgage, having just emmigrated from a communist country.

The Chinese are buying the United States? So what else is new?

 

[danielpalos]

From this experience I could lay out the deep radical leftist brainwashing of young college age Americans, whose studies in even STEM related academic departments are saturated with required courses in postmodernism, Chinese culture and language, and Critical Race Theory—all of which have nothing to do with their chosen majors.

Is that why right wingers seem to resort to the most fallacy, bigotry and hypocrisy on these boards?

 

[danielpalos]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

Hmm . . .

That's a tough one. I haven't attended a public school since 1991. That being said, I could speak to what I've seen of public school curricula via helping my nieces and nephews with their homework and studies over the past several years. However, you did not want second hand experiences. What I can speak to is six semesters spent in a Baltimore university from 2014-2019 spent completing a graduate degree in political psychology. From this experience I could lay out the deep radical leftist brainwashing of young college age Americans, whose studies in even STEM related academic departments are saturated with required courses in postmodernism, Chinese culture and language, and Critical Race Theory—all of which have nothing to do with their chosen majors. Yes, I could speak to all of that, but somehow I imagine it all would be lost on your ideologically pre-programmed responses. Suffice it to say public education curricula here in America is saturated at all grade and university levels with the most stomach churning historical revisionism and anti-American ideology.

You've just regurgitated right wing talking points.

What you have failed to note is that China has made vast investments in the American universities and schools, funding programs, and infrastructure. All of that stopped when Trump started his trade wars, but American Universities have been very welcoming of the money. It's hard to imagine that the Chinese were donating all of this money or making these investments out of the goodness of their hearts. And yet Americans have welcomed the money without asking why?

The Chinese are also buying farms in North America. I saw that here before I retired in "Foodland Ontario". Chinese farmers buying prime agricultural land - paying cash. People who couldn't even speak English. Acting for one farm family selling to a Chinese farmer, with the ink still wet on his immigration papers. I couldn't help but wonder where a simple farmer gets the capital to buy a $1.2 million dollar piece of property, with no mortgage, having just emmigrated from a communist country.

The Chinese are buying the United States? So what else is new?

Free market Capitalism, isn't it wonderful.

 

[ClaireH]

The stupid never will end will it?

Not likely to end so long as schools are allowed to indoctrinate rather than educate.

The biggest threat the left is "the virus". People are teaching their (surviving) children at home rather than packing off to you mind-numbing indoctrination centers. In a generation The Democrat Party will be but a cautionary memory.

Only indoctrinated right wingers say that instead of being grateful for modern broadband times and learning as much they want on the Internet.

"Modern broadband times" used to be a wonderful thing. Twenty years back I would dance daily just thinking of being alive at such a time. In comes a new phase of intentional measures to censor information.

The days of trusting certain search engines (primarily Google, Bing, Yahoo) to show you all available facts are gone, they are completely biased. I've done a few tests to see for myself and found that DuckDuckGo is better balanced, the other three more like a see saw weighted down on one side. That goes against our goals for transparency, our freedom of choice, and as you've stated prevents "learning as much as they want".

As a fair and honest person, I demand at least two sides of the propaganda coin or bust! All jokes aside, people deserve to know what goes on in the world, even when a political party would prefer that only their side is represented. I call foul!

I was on the internet 20 years ago, and my recollection is quite different. I found that NOTHING I was looking for was actually on the internet and all of my searches lead me down a lot of rabbit holes, but seldom provided me with the information I actually wanted or needed, and porn was everywhere.

As a work resources, once all of the statutes and property records started to get up loaded, it was terrific. Instead of going from government office to government office, delivery search letters and waiting for responses, we could log into government offices and do our searches right from our own desks. Once electronic registration came into being, we were away to the races, we could close deals from our own desks.

I'm not really interest in proganda from either side. I'd rather have facts and data. I don't need to be told what it all means. I can figure it all out for myself.

Well you missed my joke ,that happens, regarding wanting propaganda from both sides.

Twenty years ago I was researching information to help a family member try to survive pancreatic cancer. I was able to connect with John Hopkins as well as read the latest medical journals written by surgeons. I also learned about drugs that were available from Canadian pharmacies that had not been approved by FDA that were considered superior to those available and was able to get two meds that proved effective into the treatment plan . Unfortunately, all of the information in the world at the time could not save someone with stage 4 PC, and sadly is pretty much still the same case.

I was also starting a family tree and the research on the Internet was, and still is, most helpful. It was a world of difference of going to the library and then suddenly having access to global information all at once.

Politics at that time was on a back burner, although I found political chat more entertaining than informative.

 

[ClaireH]

In my own test Microsoft's Google was the most biased, while Bing was second runner up fared a bit better
but still one-sided.

Google uses the users history to come up with results related to previous searches. It can be handy, but can also seem like censorship when don't want the most relevant results (as rated by previous searches). Using broader terms or even more specific terms can help widen or narrow the results.

Thank you for a reasonable response. I appreciate that when it comes from someone who I know is on the left side of the party lines who makes the effort to hold a decent conversation with someone on the right.

Not that you asked, but I am more of a centrist- but say that I lean right. The interesting thing is, when I take those “what am I politically” or “who do I side with more” tests online I have tested out with various results: as a constitutionalist, a libertarian, and on one test I tested in the lower left quadrant but close to the middle-meaning I was more left than right on overall issues, but my monetary and security answers were all solidly conservative answers. So I always find it funny when other posters call me this or that- I think maybe I’m several things -like many average Americans.

I agree that what you get is determined by your keyboard entry, but I’m also making the point that it is also dependent on the search engine that one uses. As you noted, Google tracks a users information. That should be a user option not requirement. The fact that Google, Bing, and Yahoo can legally sell users’ info as well according to their rules is something else that should be an option with a checkbox. I’m very much a libertarian in that way and in other issues. I see any attempt of an entity trying to limit actions of users, that does nothing to disrupt service, as unjust. The value of personal information is valuable indeed, but it should be up to the discretion of the consumer where it winds up. Entities that force something on people who use their services, that most of their users don’t like, should work against them in my opinion. Currently, there’s not enough of us to make it an issue to reconsider their policy for them. I’m expecting more competitors to enter the market.

 

[Indeependent]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

 

[danielpalos]

As you noted, Google tracks a users information. That should be a user option not requirement. The fact that Google, Bing, and Yahoo can legally sell users info as well according to their rules is something else that should be an option with a checkbox. I

You should make a user suggestion, it could be implemented.

 

[danielpalos]

So. night_son
Enlighten me.
Speak from experience, not from RW talking points.

What “indoctrination” have you visually experienced with your time spent in the public school setting?

Im guessing NONE.
Your answer can’t be 2nd hand.
Provide your direct experience. Lol.

I have friends who are public school teachers and they are only allowed to praise Democrats.
One of my friends, who likes Trump, speaks shit about Trump in class and was given a FUCK TRUMP hat as a birthday present by his students.
The guy was allowed to wear the hat all day long.
Your public schools are cess-pools of hatred.

You mean unlike the fascist right wing?