What rights are the gays missing?

[Qball]

Every citizen of the United States of America deserves the same rights, there are not two Constitutions - there is only one. Law if it is to mean anything must be applied evenly.

"Why are civil unions not enough for gay rights activists? The federal government accords 1,138 benefits and responsibilities based on marital status, not on civil union status. A few of those benefits are unpaid leave to care for an ill spouse, social security survivor benefits and spousal benefits, and the right not to testify against one’s spouse, among others."

11 Facts About Gay Rights | Do Something

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision." Lynne Lavner

"Jesus said, "Why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?" (Luke 12:57 NRSV). Such sovereign freedom strikes terror in the hearts of many Christians; they would rather be under law and be told what is right. Yet Paul himself echoes Jesus' sentiment when he says, "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!" (1 Cor. 6:3 RSV). "

Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink

John 7:24 says, "Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

And Matthew 7:2-5 says, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

The Bible doesn't mean we shouldn't be judgmental. It says don't be self-righteous and hypocritical in our judgment. An example is rdean, who apparently has no tolerance for religion and has no problem being judgmental about people who are indifferent to LGBT issues.

 

[alan1]

Sure, gays could marry straights for "benefits". The benefit could include social acceptance or social status. Ask Larry Craig or Ted Haggard.

The question is, would you want your sister or daughter to marry a gay? Or a man who was straight and could give her the kind of love, that you as a caring parent would want your child to have?

You see, logically, your argument seems to make sense. But when you include human emotion, empathy and love, it becomes as stupid as dirt.

As a brother, I don't care who my sister is romantically or sexually involved with, that's her decision.
As a father, I do care who my children are romantically and sexually involved with, but my children are of legal age and their decisions are theirs to make regardless of how I think or feel about those decisions.
As soon as my sister, my brother or my children have their rights restricted or removed based upon a law that specifically identifies sexual orientation as it's reasoning, I will fight to the death to defend them.

 

[paperview]

Every citizen of the United States of America deserves the same rights, there are not two Constitutions - there is only one. Law if it is to mean anything must be applied evenly.

"Why are civil unions not enough for gay rights activists? The federal government accords 1,138 benefits and responsibilities based on marital status, not on civil union status. A few of those benefits are unpaid leave to care for an ill spouse, social security survivor benefits and spousal benefits, and the right not to testify against one’s spouse, among others."

11 Facts About Gay Rights | Do Something

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision." Lynne Lavner

"Jesus said, "Why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?" (Luke 12:57 NRSV). Such sovereign freedom strikes terror in the hearts of many Christians; they would rather be under law and be told what is right. Yet Paul himself echoes Jesus' sentiment when he says, "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!" (1 Cor. 6:3 RSV). "

Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink

John 7:24 says, "Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

And Matthew 7:2-5 says, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

The Bible doesn't mean we shouldn't be judgmental. It says don't be self-righteous and hypocritical in our judgmental. An example is rdean, who apparently has no tolerance for religion and has no problem being judgmental about people who are indifferent to LGBT issues.

If they are indifferent, why do they scream so loudly?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

We had a child custody dispute here in Idaho a number of years ago and the ruling was if he lived with his partner (of MANY years) he would NOT be granted custody or even VISTITATION of HIS children. His partner had to get a trailer home a few hundred feet away for his partner to get to see his children. WHAT FREAKING HYPOCRICY!!! I believe that some Conservatives would RATHER have kids raised in an ABUSIVE Hetro home than a LOVING homo home. FREAKING INSANE!!

Well, in Florida we tend to take a dim view of Homosexuals...

They're prohibited from enaging in anything where Children are present; and this due to the fact that homosexuals are, by definition, sexual devients; demonstrated by their proclaimed sexual orientation that they are already prone towards making poor choices with regard to their sexual desires.

They can't adopt a child; can't be foster parents... even relative placement is forbidden for homosexuals.

This notion that deviency is something akin to normalcy is absurd... right along with the notion that encouraging deviency will somehow result in something other than more of it; and/or that exposing children to it is something other than criminal immorality.

 

[alan1]

Why do you continue this asinine argument?

The facts are these people love each other, they care for each other, they trust each other with their lives. They are being denied rights and privleges available to other Americans.

To say, you have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as everyone else does is ridiculous.

OK, let's use your logic.
I love my brother, he loves me. We care for each other. We trust each other with our lives. We can't get married to each other, so therefore, according to you, we are denied rights and privileges available to other Americans. And we aren't even homosexuals.

How would you consummate your marriage? No details please.

Consummation of marriage is a religious thing. I'm not religious.
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Spells rdean


Care to address the point I made? Or do you just want to try and pretend your opinion is a fact?

 

[Qball]

Every citizen of the United States of America deserves the same rights, there are not two Constitutions - there is only one. Law if it is to mean anything must be applied evenly.

"Why are civil unions not enough for gay rights activists? The federal government accords 1,138 benefits and responsibilities based on marital status, not on civil union status. A few of those benefits are unpaid leave to care for an ill spouse, social security survivor benefits and spousal benefits, and the right not to testify against one’s spouse, among others."

11 Facts About Gay Rights | Do Something

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision." Lynne Lavner

"Jesus said, "Why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?" (Luke 12:57 NRSV). Such sovereign freedom strikes terror in the hearts of many Christians; they would rather be under law and be told what is right. Yet Paul himself echoes Jesus' sentiment when he says, "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!" (1 Cor. 6:3 RSV). "

Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink

John 7:24 says, "Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

And Matthew 7:2-5 says, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

The Bible doesn't mean we shouldn't be judgmental. It says don't be self-righteous and hypocritical in our judgmental. An example is rdean, who apparently has no tolerance for religion and has no problem being judgmental about people who are indifferent to LGBT issues.

If they are indifferent, why do they scream so loudly?

Because they disagree with them trying to enact their political agenda. The same way many people are indifferent to religion, but "scream so loudly" when they think religious people are trying to legalize their political agenda.

 

[paperview]

John 7:24 says, "Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

And Matthew 7:2-5 says, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

The Bible doesn't mean we shouldn't be judgmental. It says don't be self-righteous and hypocritical in our judgmental. An example is rdean, who apparently has no tolerance for religion and has no problem being judgmental about people who are indifferent to LGBT issues.

If they are indifferent, why do they scream so loudly?

Because they disagree with them trying to enact their political agenda. The same way many people are indifferent to religion, but "scream so loudly" when they think religious people are trying to legalize their political agenda.

I don't think you really understand the meaning of indifferent.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Gay couples want the same protections and rights given married couples. These include inheritance and property rights, medical coverage and decisions, child custody, insurance and divorce.

USATODAY.com - Gay-marriage foes try to stop 'activist courts'

Imagine this. A man is kicked out of his home at 15 for being gay. 45 years later, after he put himself though school and started a business with another man who he lived with for 30 years, he develops cancer. While he is in a coma, his "first cousin" who he never met, shows up and bans his boyfriend from visiting him in the hospital. He dies. The first cousin takes the boyfriend to court and is awarded half the house, half the money and half the business. The boyfriend is economically devastated and the 15 year old adopted son receives nothing because he was adopted by the "wrong gay".

Now, while I'm sure that Republicans would be cheering over bringing this much devastation to a gay household, many other Americans understand that it's evil. So, what rights do gays want? What a stupid, idiotic question.

While I am not a "republican" I am a conservative. I am not cheering on the behavior you have addressed above. Also, "SOME" republicans may be cheering this on, not all, or even most.

I believe families have very bad behavior arounf dunerals and family member deaths. They become greedy and selfish. Even liberals and Democrats are included as parts of this behavior.

I believe we have to have a more responsible response about relationships. The family had no business butting in at that point.

The truth is, for MOST Republicans, where gays are concerned, there is no "real" family. Many on the right feel that gays don't have the same "feelings". That gay feelings are less "real". Only "true" love can be between a man and a woman.

You will never change their tiny minds. All you can do is keep fighting and never give up.
Bestiality
Pedophilia
Incest
Robbery

The fact that those aren't reasonable arguments proves that those aren't reasonable people.

What's not reasonable about those arguments... as you've projected them, of course.

And please, be specific; at least to the extent that your intellectual limitations allow.

Now set back and enjoy the response friends...

Highest probability is the challenge goes ignored... if she works up the courage to respond, we'll find that she will be unable to show how ANY of whatever 'argument' she finds in her isolated examples of other sexual abnomralities and behavior's relevant to low moral character... are unreasonable arguments; as there is virtually no distinction from any of the sexual abnormalities listed and the abnormlaity of homosexuality.

But it should be interesting to watch the sub-intellect stretch for something of which they're incapable.

Now Devnell would have LIKED to have responded to this post with a well reasoned, logically valid, intellectually sound argument...

Sadly, Devnell lacks sufficient cognitive means to offer such; and as a result was relegated by her impotence, to advancing a flaccid little neg-rep to this post; wherein she fiegned 'yawn...'

But I believe in giving credit where credit is due... so let's give Devnell a big USMB hand, for doing the VERY BEST that she can... God bless'er...

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LOL...
















Humanists...

If anyone would like to neg-rep devnell, just for the hell of it... you can do so at this link:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/91004-what-rights-are-the-gays-missing-11.html#post1601127

 

[Qball]

If they are indifferent, why do they scream so loudly?

Because they disagree with them trying to enact their political agenda. The same way many people are indifferent to religion, but "scream so loudly" when they think religious people are trying to legalize their political agenda.

I don't think you really understand the meaning of indifferent.

I do. One can not care about an issue, but care about how that issue is treated.

 

[paperview]

We interrupt this thread to inform the perspicacious posters here

Mary Cheney is pregaliciously expecting her second child!

Yay! Sammy gets a sibling.

 

[rdean]

Where to begin? So much nonsense on so many levels.

LOL... Do ya? I wonder if you love it as much I love it when Leftist try to project that evolution somehow challenges Creation...

Evolution doesn't challenge Creation. Creation challenges reason.

Does it? Now you've come thrice now to proclaim that your opposition fails the intellectual means test because, you claim that your opposition is incapable of advancing sound argument; that they're limited to blind assertion...

Yet throughout each of your screeds, your only apparent means to respond is to advance these vacuous little platitudes.

Now how exactly does creation challenge reason?


Simple, because there is no evidence of "mysticism" anywhere, ever.
No data, no physical evidence. Just delusional ramblings.



Mercy.... So Syphilis wants to live? Now... that is wonderful... Syphilis is thus cognizant... Living in little colonies, where it seeks a host and once identifies one; gathers the war ministers and plots a course towards invasive victory, thus suvival?

Oh you are a sharpy...

Now to be honest I must confess to having strong reservations which tend against acceptance of your thesis regarding syphilis. And we should point out that the issue is homosexuality; and specifically the poser: 'what rights do fags not have...'

But since ya swerved into this one... let's tease it a little and see if we can't make something of it.

So you recognize that syphilis represents life; which is true... but demonstrate your further belief that this virus possesses intellectual means; and this through your declaration wherein you claim for syphilis, a 'want'... a cognitive desire... thus intelligence.

That being the case... that you represent syphilis as being self aware... I wonder if you also believe that this intelligent virus has plotted it's survival? By this I mean, do you believe that syphilis realizes that the best place for it to be to sustain itself, is where human beings g in illicit, wholesale sexual behavior?

No wonder you believe in "mystical creation", you just make stuff up. Very few animals are "self aware", yet all will run from danger. So, is that "intelligence" or "instinct". We'll let you figure that one out.

Because, its an interesting phenomenon that syphilis seems to be taking advantage of something which religion tends to warn against; as do so many other viruses and bacteria...

Also... does this intelligence which you assign to this virus; given your anti-theist 'feelings', wherein you reject the notion of a Deity; thus assign Rights as being necessary to sustain intelligent life; and the power to grant rights thus lies within the domain the intelligent... do you 'feel' that Syphilis is rightfully entitled to pursue the fulfillment of it's life?

If so, why; if not, why not?

Deity - a magical, invisible being based on wishing and delusion.



LOL... Anyone else get that?

Oh, how I adore sweet irony...




Actually there is vast expanse of evidence that God exists...

Actually, there is "none".

Humanity exists... humanity did not create itself; thus something other than Humanity created Humanity... whatever that something is, is God.

That is not "evidence", it's nonsense. "The moon exists because cream comes from cows" makes equal sense. The truth is, "Humans evolved from lower forms of life". There is no evidence that humans were magically "shimmered" into being from dirt. It's ridiculous.

Now that is prima facie evidence that God exists. You want to assert that such evidence does not stand to rise to the level of proof. Which is fine... I for one do not require your assent to my beliefs; I have no desire, let a lone a need for anything from you; and validation of my knowledge, understanding or beliefs, is the absolute least of that.

But what is now an established FACT: is that you've now been presented with EVIDENCE of God's existence... which precludes you from ever advancing the assertion 'that you've never seen such...' again. And where you posit such, you simply demonstrate yourself as a liar of the first order.

No fact has been presented. A "wish". A "hope". A "want". Those have been presented. Not a "FACT".

Ahh... so you're open to the notion of empirical evidence of gravity, through demonstrating it's effects... but you're closed to the same for the existence of God.

Ain't that fascinatin'...

Well the truth is that homosexuality is the means by which nature culls the species of damaged genetic lines. Where populations strain resources, the weaker links in the genetic chain succumb to their weaknesses and thus ends that lineage. As a general rule, wisdom precludes the encouragement of suicide, where the goal is preservation; thus where suicide is a reality, it is the discriminating individual who works to avoid those who advocate for such.

Wow, how, well, "scientific". Not a bit of supporting data. The "science" of the right.

Well, the reasoning is self evident... homosexuality precludes conception, thus progeny... absent progeny... the genetic lineage of that individual is kaput; stopping at that point.

What about people that get married and have no children? Oops. I suspect, barring an asteroid, the human race won't be "dying" out in the near future. Since only a very tiny percentage of people are gay, maybe less than 5%, why not just leave them the "truck" alone? Let them have the same rights. Stop harassing them.

But beside that, there are numerous population studies which demonstrate that population induced spacial stress, induces homosexuality in the weaker members of the population... who it can't be overlooked, become FOOD when the prevailing stress inevitably turns towards staple resources.

Yum. White meat or dark? How about "Soylent Green"?

You're encouraged to appeal to ignorance again, by demanding that no such studies exist... as you again return to lament the intellectual means of your opposition.

LOL...






Leftists...

Now, the hysterical part here kids, is how this idiot laid this entire premise on the intellectual prowess of Left-think; while demonstrating severe intellectual limitations...

Funny stuff...

You are a legend in your own mind. No logic, no real thought. As deep as the "Science of Astrology".

 

[paperview]

Because they disagree with them trying to enact their political agenda. The same way many people are indifferent to religion, but "scream so loudly" when they think religious people are trying to legalize their political agenda.

I don't think you really understand the meaning of indifferent.

I do. One can not care about an issue, but care about how that issue is treated.

And once you express your attitude one way or the other, you are no longer indifferent.

 

[rdean]

You have no clue, do you?
If you look hard enough, you will find posts on this board, made by me, that say the government has no business in marriage whatsoever. Regardless of sexual orientation.
Now, tell me, what rights are homosexuals not getting that heterosexuals are getting?

As if anyone on the right even cares. How many times do you have to go over it? Even worse, they come up with the most lame and stupid arguments.

One more time.

Since someone else mentioned the military. What do you get from the military.
Guaranteed student loan
Guaranteed home loan
VA benefits
burial benefits
benefits to children

First, there are only a handful of states that allow civil unions. Civil unions are generally NOT recognized by other states as opposed to marriage.

Some benefits if marriage:

Joint parental rights of children
Joint adoption
Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
Crime victims recovery benefits
Domestic violence protection orders
Judicial protections and immunity
Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
Public safety officers death benefits
Spousal veterans benefits
Social Security
Medicare
Joint filing of tax returns
Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
Child support
Joint Insurance Plans
Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
Estate and gift tax benefits
Welfare and public assistance
Joint housing for elderly
Credit protection
Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans

And those are only "SOME".

I'm tired of stupid, dumbass right wingers saying "name a right gays don't get".

You would get things mixed up, wouldn't you? When people ask that question, they're referring to "rights" in the civil and individual sense, since many gay rights advocates will quickly tell you the gay political agenda is something of a civil rights movement. Listing benefits gay couples don't receive actually doesn't answer their question. If they really meant, "name regulated benefits gay couples don't get", then shoot, I'd be in the same boat as a straight, single male, and not only that, but there are plenty of benefits I don't get that I might want.

Let's try this again: there is no "right" to be in a government-subsidized romantic relationship. The government doesn't "owe" you its blessing, and no, saying that it does doesn't make it so.

But a straight single male can get married if they want.

 

[rdean]

Frank says D.C. gay rights march misses mark - Yahoo! News

snip,


I just re-read The Bill of Rights, I'm curious, which rights outlined in that document do not apply to gays?

Are you saying that the Bill of Rights lists all rights afforded American citizens?

Nope... But you aren't Denied Marriage... You are Denied the Special Priviledge of Redifining Marriage in Law to Include only your Deviation Exclusively to others that are being Denied.

Marriage is what it is... Have a Civil Union and be Happy the Religion of Peace and Love isn't the Law of THIS Land, Missy...



peace...

That sounds likek a death threat from the Religion of Peace and Love.

How do gays marrying affect a single straight marraige?

Waiting.

Still waiting.

Thought so.

 

[rdean]

Every citizen of the United States of America deserves the same rights, there are not two Constitutions - there is only one. Law if it is to mean anything must be applied evenly.

"Why are civil unions not enough for gay rights activists? The federal government accords 1,138 benefits and responsibilities based on marital status, not on civil union status. A few of those benefits are unpaid leave to care for an ill spouse, social security survivor benefits and spousal benefits, and the right not to testify against one’s spouse, among others."

11 Facts About Gay Rights | Do Something

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision." Lynne Lavner

"Jesus said, "Why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?" (Luke 12:57 NRSV). Such sovereign freedom strikes terror in the hearts of many Christians; they would rather be under law and be told what is right. Yet Paul himself echoes Jesus' sentiment when he says, "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!" (1 Cor. 6:3 RSV). "

Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink

Actually, when you think about it, percentage wise, 300 to 6, it may be about right.

 

[rdean]

Everything you just named applies to heterosexual people if they choose to marry a person of the same sex.
Again, the law is applied equally, it doesn't specifically say anything about being homosexual.

They also applied to any black person who married someone of their own race. SCOTUS already ruled such laws unconstitutional in Loving V. Virginia

You don't get it, do you?
The argument you are trying to use specifically identified people based upon an identifiable and obvious characteristic (black skin). Those outdated (and now non-existent) laws specifically said "black". Where is a law that specifically says "homosexual"?

There are some blacks that you might assume were "white". Conversely, there are some "gays" you would never, ever take for anything except gay. And if you don't believe that, you live a very sheltered life indeed.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

BS. The American right wing infringe on my rights all the time because of their "magical" beliefs. My right not to be exposed to it. So sick of that nonsense.

Name one right of yours that has been infringed upon.

The right attempted to teach "magical creation" at the school my children attended. Because of the cost of the lawsuit, they not only didn't teach "magical creation", but also stopped teaching any part of biology, physiology and botany that may have touched on evolution. The same is true in many schools across the nation. Schools just don't have the money to fight religious right wing wackos so they stop teaching anything controversial.

That's one.

That's a right?

Well to be a right, it would come with a sustaining responsibility... you didn't mention such, and given that you 'feel' so strongly in your intellectual prowess... it's odd that ya wouldn't note the essential responsibility which are intrisic to all rights; so I thought I'd give ya the courtesy of presenting the chance to do so.

There's no proponent of creationism that contests any of the tangible sciences... the assertion is ludicrous. Schools don't exist in a vacuum... and what they teach should reflect the beliefs of their communities.

Your position is nothing less than a demand that schools must teach only what you feel is relevant to education... and that sis is YOU FORCING YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHERS. That you don't get that, is YOU demonstrating that YOU are a DUMBASS!

My nephew couldn't join the military because he is most definitely gay. The anti gay thing is based, not on medicine, not on reason, but entirely on "occult beliefs".
That's two.

Your Nephew has a Right to serve his country... and that right comes with the responsibility to conduct herself so as to meet the high standards required for applicants for such... Your Nephew chose to reject her responsibility; choosing instead to succumb to her twisted sexual cravings... Therefore; your nephew is not qualified to be in the US military, because she's queer. The 'anti-*** thing' is based in science... common sense and sound moral reasoning.

Science... Homosexuality is an incontrovertible ABNORMAL SEXUALITY...
Common Sense... Normalizing sexuality can only encourage others to succumb to the obsession of abnormal cravings...

Sound moral reasoning... Encouraging others to succumb to obsessive abnormal cravings, can only undermine cultural standards of behavior, promoting cultural decadence and lending to the destruction of individuals that comprise the culture; thus the inevtiable demise of the culture itself.

My nephew can't get married.

That's three.

Bullshit...

Your nephew can get married anytime she wants, as long as she applies with a person of the opposite gender.

People come to my front door and try to spread that crappy "supernatural" nonsense. I found them talking to my kids. I was furious. That stuff is crap. It's not real.

That's four.

Wow... spreading the good word to your hellians? SAY IT AINT SO!

But hey... that's free speech for ya.

Believe me, you asked for one, but I'll stop at four.

Oh!... Now that's too bad... it was just getting interestin'.

 

[rdean]

Every citizen of the United States of America deserves the same rights, there are not two Constitutions - there is only one. Law if it is to mean anything must be applied evenly.

"Why are civil unions not enough for gay rights activists? The federal government accords 1,138 benefits and responsibilities based on marital status, not on civil union status. A few of those benefits are unpaid leave to care for an ill spouse, social security survivor benefits and spousal benefits, and the right not to testify against one’s spouse, among others."

11 Facts About Gay Rights | Do Something

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision." Lynne Lavner

"Jesus said, "Why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?" (Luke 12:57 NRSV). Such sovereign freedom strikes terror in the hearts of many Christians; they would rather be under law and be told what is right. Yet Paul himself echoes Jesus' sentiment when he says, "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!" (1 Cor. 6:3 RSV). "

Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink

John 7:24 says, "Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

And Matthew 7:2-5 says, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

The Bible doesn't mean we shouldn't be judgmental. It says don't be self-righteous and hypocritical in our judgment. An example is rdean, who apparently has no tolerance for religion and has no problem being judgmental about people who are indifferent to LGBT issues.

People indifferent to LGBT issues do not write comments on this thread.

 

[rdean]

Sure, gays could marry straights for "benefits". The benefit could include social acceptance or social status. Ask Larry Craig or Ted Haggard.

The question is, would you want your sister or daughter to marry a gay? Or a man who was straight and could give her the kind of love, that you as a caring parent would want your child to have?

You see, logically, your argument seems to make sense. But when you include human emotion, empathy and love, it becomes as stupid as dirt.

As a brother, I don't care who my sister is romantically or sexually involved with, that's her decision.

That's where we differ. I do care about my sister. I want her to be happy. If a gay man tricked her into marrying him, not sure what I would do. Violence would not be out of the question. If she married a man who sold her a false bill of goods, would it be "her decision or his"?

As a father, I do care who my children are romantically and sexually involved with, but my children are of legal age and their decisions are theirs to make regardless of how I think or feel about those decisions.

Same thing with the kids. If they were "tricked", then it's not really a decision, it's a "con".

As soon as my sister, my brother or my children have their rights restricted or removed based upon a law that specifically identifies sexual orientation as it's reasoning, I will fight to the death to defend them.

Then you better hope that none of them are gay. You might want to ask yourself, would they tell you if they were?

 

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Every citizen of the United States of America deserves the same rights, there are not two Constitutions - there is only one. Law if it is to mean anything must be applied evenly.

"Why are civil unions not enough for gay rights activists? The federal government accords 1,138 benefits and responsibilities based on marital status, not on civil union status. A few of those benefits are unpaid leave to care for an ill spouse, social security survivor benefits and spousal benefits, and the right not to testify against one’s spouse, among others."

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Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred sixty two admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision." Lynne Lavner

"Jesus said, "Why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?" (Luke 12:57 NRSV). Such sovereign freedom strikes terror in the hearts of many Christians; they would rather be under law and be told what is right. Yet Paul himself echoes Jesus' sentiment when he says, "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!" (1 Cor. 6:3 RSV). "

Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink

John 7:24 says, "Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

And Matthew 7:2-5 says, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

The Bible doesn't mean we shouldn't be judgmental. It says don't be self-righteous and hypocritical in our judgment. An example is rdean, who apparently has no tolerance for religion and has no problem being judgmental about people who are indifferent to LGBT issues.

People indifferent to LGBT issues do not write comments on this thread.

And by "LGBT" she means 'pathetic sexual devients who lack the moral character to avoid succumbing to aberrant behavior.'

Rdean is just another idiot pushing a foolish idea... they're a dime a dozen and individually, they're little more than a nuisance. The problem is that such has been encouraged and the pursuant generations have; as was vociferously denied by the early advocates of homosexuality, embraced such and as a result, the acceptance of faggery is growing exponentially.

Of course, such is a function of human frailty... and where weakness is advocated and embraced, war is sure to follow; as that is nature's way of returning the human system to balance... so it'll work itself out.