What objection can there be to solving simple poverty in a market friendly manner?

[Grumblenuts]

Yeah, you drag shit in to distract from anything anyone actually says. That's your schtick. I'm just playing your foil here today. But I think that's enough. Goodbye.

 

[Blues Man]

Yeah, you drag shit in to distract from anything anyone actually says. That's your schtick. I'm just playing your foil here today. But I think that's enough. Goodbye.

run away

 

[danielpalos]

Poverty can be caused by many reasons. It is up to the individual to do what is needed to get out of it. Bad choices can lead to poverty. There are many mechanisms provided by the State and Federal Governments to help them get out. . However, you can not make people take advantage of them. High School Dropouts, mental illness, personalty disorders, alcoholism, drug addiction, and many more human conditions get in the way.. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The point is we should have no homeless problem in our first world economy. Solving simple poverty in a market friendly manner means more capital circulating in our economy and fewer problems. Who would not benefit by that form of full employment of capital resources under our form of Capitalism?

For example, people with drug addictions or mental illness would be able to afford rehabilitation to help them be more productive in our economy. And, people with an income would be more market friendly and better able to afford housing to stay off the street. They would benefit, landlords would benefit, and the general public would benefit by not having a homeless problem in their neighborhood.

 

[danielpalos]

I hear ya, bro. You can lead a horse to bootstraps but you can't make one pull itself up by them.

Why would anyone want to be in poverty when they could at least be poor and still be market friendly? Local businesses would have fewer problems and more paying customers to help with their bottom line.

 

[danielpalos]

"market friendly" doesnt involve the govt.
Of course, you are fucking retarded so...

Sure it does. The Fed is market friendly. Why do right wingers have nothing but ignorance and ad hominems but want to be taken seriously? You are not very debate market friendly.

 

[Blues Man]

Poverty can be caused by many reasons. It is up to the individual to do what is needed to get out of it. Bad choices can lead to poverty. There are many mechanisms provided by the State and Federal Governments to help them get out. . However, you can not make people take advantage of them. High School Dropouts, mental illness, personalty disorders, alcoholism, drug addiction, and many more human conditions get in the way.. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The point is we should have no homeless problem in our first world economy. Solving simple poverty in a market friendly manner means more capital circulating in our economy and fewer problems. Who would not benefit by that form of full employment of capital resources under our form of Capitalism?

For example, people with drug addictions or mental illness would be able to afford rehabilitation to help them be more productive in our economy. And, people with an income would be more market friendly and better able to afford housing to stay off the street. They would benefit, landlords would benefit, and the general public would benefit by not having a homeless problem in their neighborhood.

Homelessness is on a downward trend.

Homelessness statistics in the US for 2021 | Policy Advice

Despite the efforts to provide adequate housing, homelessness statistics reveal that they haven’t been enough. Look here to learn more.

policyadvice.net

• 39.8% of homeless persons are African-Americans.
• 61% of homeless persons are men and boys.
• 20% of homeless persons are kids.
• 42% of street children identify as LGBT.
• New York City has one-fifth of all US sheltered homeless.
• The homeless problem is on a downward trend.
• Permanent housing interventions have grown by 450% in 5 years.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I hear ya, bro. You can lead a horse to bootstraps but you can't make one pull itself up by them.

Why would anyone want to be poverty when they could at least be poor but still market friendly? Local businesses would have fewer problems and more paying customers to help with their bottom line.

That wasn't intended for you and you've lost me completely.

 

[danielpalos]

I am looking for reason why it would be Bad and promote the general malfare instead of Good and promote the general welfare. The legal and physical infrastructure is already in place in our Republic, it merely needs to be put to use.

Solving for actual economic phenomena is more market friendly than any policies based on political considerations. Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment in our at-will employment States. Solving for that economic phenomena via existing legal and physical infrastructure would solve simple poverty and better ensure full employment of capital resources under our form of Capitalism.

Anyone have anything that you believe would make something that simple, not work or be Bad for our economy? I am looking for economic considerations and debate.

You've already had this debate with me, many times, and I've given you the reasons why what you are advocating won't work. Why didn't you listen and learn?

All you had was fallacy not any valid arguments but still want to be Right. Only right wingers do that. Besides, I already know it will work simply because y'all have no arguments to the contrary. Fallacy is not a valid argument for rebuttal, just You wanting to be Right. You must be on the right wing.

 

[danielpalos]

We have the richest fattest poor people in the world we must be doing something right

Not when we have a homeless problem and right wingers are complaining about taxes.

 

[danielpalos]

Truly you speak for the common man, peasant! Use the Bootstraps, Blue! Slap 'em silly! All those still clipping coupons are just stupid suckers. Eat dirt. That's all one really need do!

Are you on the right wing? Socialism on a national basis is their preferred modus operandi not free market Capitalism like they allege in socialism threads.

 

[Blues Man]

We have the richest fattest poor people in the world we must be doing something right

Not when we have a homeless problem and right wingers are complaining about taxes.

Homelessness is on a downward trend so the problem is being addressed

and we do have the fattest poor people on the planet

 

[danielpalos]

You dragged McDonald's in, kicking and screaming, not me. Just admit it. You enjoy blaming people for being poor. For once in your miserable existence.. Just admit it!

You think it's cheaper to eat junk food than it is to make your own meals that's your own delusion

And I don't blame people for being poor but being poor doesn't make people fat.

I agree with you but that is not the only problem facing the poor.

 

[danielpalos]

You think it's cheaper to eat junk food than it is to make your own meals

Liar.

How about some statistics. Ad hominems are worthless.

 

[danielpalos]

Poverty can be caused by many reasons. It is up to the individual to do what is needed to get out of it. Bad choices can lead to poverty. There are many mechanisms provided by the State and Federal Governments to help them get out. . However, you can not make people take advantage of them. High School Dropouts, mental illness, personalty disorders, alcoholism, drug addiction, and many more human conditions get in the way.. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The point is we should have no homeless problem in our first world economy. Solving simple poverty in a market friendly manner means more capital circulating in our economy and fewer problems. Who would not benefit by that form of full employment of capital resources under our form of Capitalism?

For example, people with drug addictions or mental illness would be able to afford rehabilitation to help them be more productive in our economy. And, people with an income would be more market friendly and better able to afford housing to stay off the street. They would benefit, landlords would benefit, and the general public would benefit by not having a homeless problem in their neighborhood.

Homelessness is on a downward trend.

Homelessness statistics in the US for 2021 | Policy Advice

Despite the efforts to provide adequate housing, homelessness statistics reveal that they haven’t been enough. Look here to learn more.

policyadvice.net

• 39.8% of homeless persons are African-Americans.
• 61% of homeless persons are men and boys.
• 20% of homeless persons are kids.
• 42% of street children identify as LGBT.
• New York City has one-fifth of all US sheltered homeless.
• The homeless problem is on a downward trend.
• Permanent housing interventions have grown by 450% in 5 years.

The point is, we have a first world economy or should have, and we should have no homeless problem. There is a market friendly solution that merely requires enough morals to faithfully execute our own laws.

 

[danielpalos]

I hear ya, bro. You can lead a horse to bootstraps but you can't make one pull itself up by them.

Why would anyone want to be poverty when they could at least be poor but still market friendly? Local businesses would have fewer problems and more paying customers to help with their bottom line.

That wasn't intended for you and you've lost me completely.

I know, but I did start the thread and do want some discussion not merely, ad hominem slinging.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Truly you speak for the common man, peasant! Use the Bootstraps, Blue! Slap 'em silly! All those still clipping coupons are just stupid suckers. Eat dirt. That's all one really need do!

Are you on the right wing? Socialism on a national basis is their preferred modus operandi not free market Capitalism like they allege in socialism threads.

I am left of left. You speak a different language or something. Socialism for the rich, yes, but never admittedly so and against it for all others. There's never been such a thing as a "free market" (nor bootstraps that one could pull themself up by for that matter). I'm quite aware that neoliberals of both major stripes spout such nonsense as their gospel, yes.

 

[Blues Man]

Poverty can be caused by many reasons. It is up to the individual to do what is needed to get out of it. Bad choices can lead to poverty. There are many mechanisms provided by the State and Federal Governments to help them get out. . However, you can not make people take advantage of them. High School Dropouts, mental illness, personalty disorders, alcoholism, drug addiction, and many more human conditions get in the way.. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The point is we should have no homeless problem in our first world economy. Solving simple poverty in a market friendly manner means more capital circulating in our economy and fewer problems. Who would not benefit by that form of full employment of capital resources under our form of Capitalism?

For example, people with drug addictions or mental illness would be able to afford rehabilitation to help them be more productive in our economy. And, people with an income would be more market friendly and better able to afford housing to stay off the street. They would benefit, landlords would benefit, and the general public would benefit by not having a homeless problem in their neighborhood.

Homelessness is on a downward trend.

Homelessness statistics in the US for 2021 | Policy Advice

Despite the efforts to provide adequate housing, homelessness statistics reveal that they haven’t been enough. Look here to learn more.

policyadvice.net

• 39.8% of homeless persons are African-Americans.
• 61% of homeless persons are men and boys.
• 20% of homeless persons are kids.
• 42% of street children identify as LGBT.
• New York City has one-fifth of all US sheltered homeless.
• The homeless problem is on a downward trend.
• Permanent housing interventions have grown by 450% in 5 years.

The point is, we have a first world economy or should have, and we should have no homeless problem. There is a market friendly solution that merely requires enough morals to faithfully execute our own laws.

There will always be some homeless people.

no matter what the economy is like.

 

[BlackSand]

We could have an epidemic and destroy a bunch of small businesses with government restrictions.
Then we can make federal loans for new small businesses and pick the winners and losers.
Then we can have nit-wits explain why that is the best exercise of Capitalism.

.

 

[danielpalos]

Truly you speak for the common man, peasant! Use the Bootstraps, Blue! Slap 'em silly! All those still clipping coupons are just stupid suckers. Eat dirt. That's all one really need do!

Are you on the right wing? Socialism on a national basis is their preferred modus operandi not free market Capitalism like they allege in socialism threads.

I am left of left. You speak a different language or something. Socialism for the rich, yes, but never admittedly so and against it for all others. There's never been such a thing as a "free market." I'm quite aware that neoliberals of both major stripes spout such nonsense as their gospel, yes.

It was you advocating for the coercive use of force over free market capitalism solutions that confused me. I agree with you about free market capitalism. That is just a talking point by the right wing. They don't really believe it.

 

[danielpalos]

Poverty can be caused by many reasons. It is up to the individual to do what is needed to get out of it. Bad choices can lead to poverty. There are many mechanisms provided by the State and Federal Governments to help them get out. . However, you can not make people take advantage of them. High School Dropouts, mental illness, personalty disorders, alcoholism, drug addiction, and many more human conditions get in the way.. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The point is we should have no homeless problem in our first world economy. Solving simple poverty in a market friendly manner means more capital circulating in our economy and fewer problems. Who would not benefit by that form of full employment of capital resources under our form of Capitalism?

For example, people with drug addictions or mental illness would be able to afford rehabilitation to help them be more productive in our economy. And, people with an income would be more market friendly and better able to afford housing to stay off the street. They would benefit, landlords would benefit, and the general public would benefit by not having a homeless problem in their neighborhood.

Homelessness is on a downward trend.

Homelessness statistics in the US for 2021 | Policy Advice

Despite the efforts to provide adequate housing, homelessness statistics reveal that they haven’t been enough. Look here to learn more.

policyadvice.net

• 39.8% of homeless persons are African-Americans.
• 61% of homeless persons are men and boys.
• 20% of homeless persons are kids.
• 42% of street children identify as LGBT.
• New York City has one-fifth of all US sheltered homeless.
• The homeless problem is on a downward trend.
• Permanent housing interventions have grown by 450% in 5 years.

The point is, we have a first world economy or should have, and we should have no homeless problem. There is a market friendly solution that merely requires enough morals to faithfully execute our own laws.

There will always be some homeless people.

no matter what the economy is like.

I agree to disagree. Simply camping out for fun is not the same as being homeless due to an inefficiency in public policies that enables it.