What makes someone suidcidal (Mental Illness?)

[RetiredGySgt]

What are some off the top of your head thoughts that you think would cause mental illness?

Do you think the majority are due to growing up / around dysfunction (anger, violence, abuse etc.)
Or do you think the majority are chemical / born with it?

I don't believe anyone is born with it, unless is a drug or alkie baby. My younger brother drank himself to death and my older brother blew his brains out. I've battled my demons but soldiered on and learned what the real problem was.

You are BEYOND stupid. People like you are why mental health in this country is so screwed up.

 

[Granny]

Suicide and/or thoughts of suicide can have many faces. There are those who commit crimes but can't face the consequences of what they have done, so they off themselves like the cowards they are. There's postpartum depression. I have a hard time reconciling the idea of depression being a mental illness problem - I tend to look on real mental illness as things such as paranoid schizophrenia and such as "mental illness." I had a rough childhood and as a teenager I had issues with thoughts of suicide. Ironically, it was thoughts of my childhood friends back in the orphanage I had lived in that always brought me back from the brink: "Don't let them see you cry ... if you do, they will know they have you." I think it's safe to say I lived in a sterile, isolated world until I was about 12 years old, before and during my time in the orphanage and to a good degree after I returned to live with my mother. Re-entering "the real world" was terribly traumatic for me. There were other "episodes" later when I was married. The best money I ever spent - and don't regret a penny of it - was getting psychiatric care. I've come a long, long way on a very hard road, but I'm down from 3 anti-depression medications to 1 medication - I can live with that - and it's been forever since I've been depressed or had any suicidal thoughts. I have an altogether different perspective of myself and that I am a good person ... and way too much to live for.

 

[Iceweasel]

What are some off the top of your head thoughts that you think would cause mental illness?

Do you think the majority are due to growing up / around dysfunction (anger, violence, abuse etc.)
Or do you think the majority are chemical / born with it?

I don't believe anyone is born with it, unless is a drug or alkie baby. My younger brother drank himself to death and my older brother blew his brains out. I've battled my demons but soldiered on and learned what the real problem was.

You are BEYOND stupid. People like you are why mental health in this country is so screwed up.

You're on drugs obviously. Come back to reality and deal with it like a man.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What are some off the top of your head thoughts that you think would cause mental illness?

Do you think the majority are due to growing up / around dysfunction (anger, violence, abuse etc.)
Or do you think the majority are chemical / born with it?

I don't believe anyone is born with it, unless is a drug or alkie baby. My younger brother drank himself to death and my older brother blew his brains out. I've battled my demons but soldiered on and learned what the real problem was.

You are BEYOND stupid. People like you are why mental health in this country is so screwed up.

You're on drugs obviously. Come back to reality and deal with it like a man.

Keep proving you are so stupid you can not equate real life with your delusion filled semi life.

 

[Iceweasel]

What are some off the top of your head thoughts that you think would cause mental illness?

Do you think the majority are due to growing up / around dysfunction (anger, violence, abuse etc.)
Or do you think the majority are chemical / born with it?

I don't believe anyone is born with it, unless is a drug or alkie baby. My younger brother drank himself to death and my older brother blew his brains out. I've battled my demons but soldiered on and learned what the real problem was.

You are BEYOND stupid. People like you are why mental health in this country is so screwed up.

You're on drugs obviously. Come back to reality and deal with it like a man.

Keep proving you are so stupid you can not equate real life with your delusion filled semi life.

I remember you from an earlier thread saying you go long periods without bathing, are overweight and out of shape. You think drugs are the answer but like many people do. Life is about choices, poor choices will have poor results.

How did we get here? The thought that our ancestors braved the elements, worked sun up to sun down and beyond, no fun packed vacation trips, almost no entertainment. Hardly a day off the grind, only to have their ancestors ***** and moan about how hard life is and resort to medications to make life palatable. Good grief.

 

[Spinster]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

I've know a few non-teens as well that committed suicide. My guess is it is more to do with perspective, although depression can be a factor too as in Robin Williams' case. What I mean by perspective is based upon a person's circumstances, death may make the most sense to them when they've analyzed it thoroughly. If a person has unfinished business, then they may decide to live longer. If they've decided living isn't really worth it anymore due to illness or whatever, then they may decide to end it. These are well thought out decisions, not reactionary impulses, not based on depression, and not mental illness.

 

[Spinster]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

 

[ChrisL]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

What are you talking about? I haven't given medical advice except to say to talk to your doctor.

That which I posted above is a legitimate psychiatric diagnostic code for suicidal ideation is all. It's only a fact.

 

[ChrisL]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

Shouldn't you be taking those to task who are telling people to NOT listen to their doctors? Lol. OMG.

 

[ChrisL]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

Are you trying to tell me that I am not allowed to post MY opinions on topics posted on this website? Just what are you saying here?

 

[ChrisL]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

That is a CODE which would be referenced on your billing information as a patient if you sought psychiatric treatment for suicidal ideation. That is all that is. So what is your ******* point?

 

[ChrisL]

IF someone listens to one of these internet bozos and goes off their meds, guess what? They end BACK in the psychiatric facility to be regulated back on their maintenance dosage of medications, until the facility determines they are stable enough to be released.

 

[ChrisL]

Regardless of what you bozos want to think, I KNOW about this stuff. I type these people's histories and physicals, their clinic notes, their medication dosages, what kind of adjustments the doctors make to their meds, how long they are in the hospital, why they are in the hospital, their family history, their social history, etc., etc. That is what I DO for a living. I type about these people's life stories in and out of psychiatric facilities, and let me tell you . . . you do NOT want these people to be out there not taking their meds.

 

[Spinster]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

That is a CODE which would be referenced on your billing information as a patient if you sought psychiatric treatment for suicidal ideation. That is all that is. So what is your ******* point?

My "*******" point is that your code, you claimed, is hooked to mental illness which isn't always the case. People often don't SEEK psychiatric treatment for suicidal thoughts they simply wind up there by the system. Also, my post wasn't solely based on your single post of the "code", but rather the aggregate of your posts on this thread. What you've said here seems reckless, and I feel a cautionary statement appropriate. You are so emphatic in your thinking in general, I doubt this explanation netted anything whatsoever.

 

[ChrisL]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

That is a CODE which would be referenced on your billing information as a patient if you sought psychiatric treatment for suicidal ideation. That is all that is. So what is your ******* point?

My "*******" point is that your code, you claimed, is hooked to mental illness which isn't always the case. People often don't SEEK psychiatric treatment for suicidal thoughts they simply wind up there by the system. Also, my post wasn't solely based on your single post of the "code", but rather the aggregate of your posts on this thread. What you've said here seems reckless, and I feel a cautionary statement appropriate. You are so emphatic in your thinking in general, I doubt this explanation netted anything whatsoever.

How is telling people to not listen to people on the internet but to listen to their doctors inappropriate? Want to explain that please?

 

[ChrisL]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

That is a CODE which would be referenced on your billing information as a patient if you sought psychiatric treatment for suicidal ideation. That is all that is. So what is your ******* point?

My "*******" point is that your code, you claimed, is hooked to mental illness which isn't always the case. People often don't SEEK psychiatric treatment for suicidal thoughts they simply wind up there by the system. Also, my post wasn't solely based on your single post of the "code", but rather the aggregate of your posts on this thread. What you've said here seems reckless, and I feel a cautionary statement appropriate. You are so emphatic in your thinking in general, I doubt this explanation netted anything whatsoever.

Since when is telling people to ignore advice given by posters on the internet "reckless" yet scaring people away from their prescribed psychiatric meds is not? Are you taking your medications today? We can only hope so.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I too know several people who committed suicide, who were close to me. None were teenagers though.

Depression seems like a likely culprit, but many people are depressed and only a few kill themselves.

That's where I wonder what the difference is. There are times that I get very down and think well if I don't wake up tomorrow, no big deal....

There is a difference between that and being so agonized you actually set out to do something..... I am too much of a coward to do it.... and I have been pretty low......

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness and is a legitimate psychiatric diagnosis.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code V62.84 : Suicidal ideation

Chris, the box from which you preach is a very tiny one, not insightful, and inexperienced. Your lack of knowledge and understanding is obvious. Caution should be taken before you lead someone off the edge of the cliff. Posting on a forum such as this does come with responsibility. Take great care with others.

That is a CODE which would be referenced on your billing information as a patient if you sought psychiatric treatment for suicidal ideation. That is all that is. So what is your ******* point?

My "*******" point is that your code, you claimed, is hooked to mental illness which isn't always the case. People often don't SEEK psychiatric treatment for suicidal thoughts they simply wind up there by the system. Also, my post wasn't solely based on your single post of the "code", but rather the aggregate of your posts on this thread. What you've said here seems reckless, and I feel a cautionary statement appropriate. You are so emphatic in your thinking in general, I doubt this explanation netted anything whatsoever.

And yet you say nothing to people claiming meds are bad for you and to not take them. I would say you have an agenda.

 

[ChrisL]

My point throughout this thread has been do not listen to advice given to you on the internet by anonymous message board posters. Listen to your doctor. If you don't trust your doctor, then find another doctor that you can trust. Ask him or her questions about your medications. Ask him or her questions about your dosages. The doctor SHOULD explain all of these things to you and any other questions you might have if you feel hesitant about taking your medications. If you disagree for some reason, the doctor cannot ever FORCE you to take a medication unless you have been institutionalized. In that case, they can force medications on you, but in all of the cases I have typed about, the only ones who are institutionalized are those who have made threats or threatening gestures. It is usually a family member or the police who bring these people in.

No, while nutrition is good and great, it is not going to calm the "voices" that some of these people hear in their heads telling them to kill themselves or others. These people need professional psychiatric treatment.

 

[Spinster]

Regardless of what you bozos want to think, I KNOW about this stuff. I type these people's histories and physicals, their clinic notes, their medication dosages, what kind of adjustments the doctors make to their meds, how long they are in the hospital, why they are in the hospital, their family history, their social history, etc., etc. That is what I DO for a living. I type about these people's life stories in and out of psychiatric facilities, and let me tell you . . . you do NOT want these people to be out there not taking their meds.

Okay, Chris, I didn't realize you had attained an MD credential. Let's see, being a medical transcriptionist qualifies you to assess and recommend treatment exactly how? Because you took a typing class or two? Un huh, I see. BTW, Chris, if I were you I'd be preparing for another career because this one will be ending soon as this function is soon to be replaced by technology. Just saying...

 

[ChrisL]

Regardless of what you bozos want to think, I KNOW about this stuff. I type these people's histories and physicals, their clinic notes, their medication dosages, what kind of adjustments the doctors make to their meds, how long they are in the hospital, why they are in the hospital, their family history, their social history, etc., etc. That is what I DO for a living. I type about these people's life stories in and out of psychiatric facilities, and let me tell you . . . you do NOT want these people to be out there not taking their meds.

Okay, Chris, I didn't realize you had attained an MD credential. Let's see, being a medical transcriptionist qualifies you to assess and recommend treatment exactly how? Because you took a typing class or two? Un huh, I see. BTW, Chris, if I were you I'd be preparing for another career because this one will be ending soon as this function is soon to be replaced by technology. Just saying...

I haven't recommended any treatment. I said to ask your doctor.

I also edit for speech recognition. There is not a database in the world that can retain all the names of all the new drugs they come out with every day. There are accents and quirks that they can't account for, so my job security is fine thanks.

Anyhow, telling people to talk to their doctor is not giving medical advice. Telling people that their medications are "scary" is very wrong, OTOH.