What Isn't The Media Telling Us About January 6th?

[Concerned American]

People who plead guilty aren’t proven guilty?

That’s, uh, fucking stupid.

This from the guy that says someone who is pardoned is not guilty of a crime. LMAO, the total that you DON'T know about the US legal system would fill the ocean. Just STFU, as usual you're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Marener]

This from the guy that says someone who is pardoned is not guilty of a crime. LMAO, the total that you DON'T know about the US legal system would fill the ocean. Just STFU, as usual you're embarrassing yourself.

where did I say that?

 

[Concerned American]

where did I say that?

So you're saying that the people on the J6 committee that Joe Biden pardoned are guilty? Is that right? Are you on record now or are you going to deny it four posts from now?

 

[Marener]

So you're saying that the people on the J6 committee that Joe Biden pardoned are guilty? Is that right? Are you on record now or are you going to deny it four posts from now?

Some people who receive pardons are guilty. Some people who receive pardons are innocent.

I’m sorry this is difficult for you. Maybe this topic is behind your mental capabilities.

 

[Marener]

“all the evidence.”

No one is saying they deleted ALL THE EVIDENCE.

I saw the mostly peaceful protest on TV.

I saw Ray Epps encourage people to go into the Capitol. That is evidence.

There is evidence that was not preserved. FACT.

IT SHOULD ALL HAVE BEEN PRESERVED.

How do we know if the deleted evidence could be exculpatory?

I know you guys are all worked up about this now, but you’re going to forget all about it in a few months when none of your crazy conspiracy shit pans out.

Just like with Clinton, Comey, Strzok, and so many more.

 

[Concerned American]

Some people who receive pardons are innocent.

Maybe the English language is beyond your mental capabilities. If you are not guilty of a crime, why, pray tell, would you accept a pardon for criminal activity? Your stupidity is common among democrats.

PARDON--A pardon is a government decision to allow a person to be relieved of some or all of the legal consequences resulting from a criminal conviction. A pardon may be granted before or after conviction for the crime, depending on the laws of the jurisdiction.

Pardon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dudmuck]

“all the evidence.”

No one is saying they deleted ALL THE EVIDENCE.

I saw the mostly peaceful protest on TV.

I saw Ray Epps encourage people to go into the Capitol. That is evidence.

There is evidence that was not preserved. FACT.

IT SHOULD ALL HAVE BEEN PRESERVED.

How do we know if the deleted evidence could be exculpatory?

All the evidence from jan6th investigation is here for all to see.

and Ray Epps was charged with a misdemeanor.

 

[westwall]

Back in the good old days (like Trump is prone to suggesting) we would have seen this man put in the stocks and beaten to within an inch of his life

Nah, that sort of treatment would have been reserved for scoundrels, like you, and afterwards you would have been tarred and feathered and run out of town.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

If this guy's story rings true then he most definitely was mistreated. At this point I want to believe him a whole lot more than I want to believe the media.

Have you ever exercised your right to "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"? Written a strongly worded letter because you felt you or someone else were being treated unfairly or unlawfully? Participated in a march or rally? Exercised any of your U.S. constitutionally protected rights?

I ask because there is a phrase within the first amendment which makes the protection of your rights conditional upon your "protest/petition" be peaceful or in the very least, not be violent.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance​

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Most people aspire not to get arrested, but if you're too simpleminded to not think through your actions, knowing that multiple bad things could happen in the event that things get heated, out of hand and/or violent, then you shouldn't cry about it, after the fact.

The Civil Rights movement during the '60s involved a lot of Black people and allies protesting and marching due to the way African Americans were and still are, routinely mistreated. They did so knowing that they could have police dogs set upon them, be beaten by the police, attacked with high-power firehoses, and certainly arrested, in some cases for simply sitting down at a lunch counter and wanting to be served food.

So I would hope you would understand why it's difficult for some of us to have a whole lot of sympathy for those who are responsible for their own self-inflicted wounds, even if they were spurred on by Trump's lies.

 

[Concerned American]

So I would hope you would understand why it's difficult for some of us to have a whole lot of sympathy for those who are responsible for their own self-inflicted wounds

So all of those violent, arsonist, BLM protestors from Portland and Seattle in 2020 should be incarcerated without charges for 4 years even though they were spurred on by Patricia Cullors and Kamala Harris, eh?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Pardoned Jan. 6 Defendant Arrested a Day After Getting Break From Trump​

Pardoned Jan. 6 Defendant Arrested a Day After Getting Break From Trump

One former Jan. 6 suspect’s hopes of post-pardon freedom have been dashed for now. Daniel Ball, a 39-year-old Florida man, was arrested on a federal gun charge a day after Donald Trump issued a sweeping pardon for the majority of those accused—or convicted—of crimes related to events of Jan. 6...

www.yahoo.com

Yup...

Ball has previous convictions for strangulation, domestic violence, and for resisting law enforcement with violence. A now-dormant Facebook page, which listed his ex-employers as a Chili’s and a Mexican restaurant, chronicled his outrage after the 2020 election.​

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“I’ll bet $100 against any liberal, ill beat them on an IQ test.. available all day today, for any takers,” he wrote on Nov. 28, 2020.​

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So him? I didn't see anything regarding the strangulation charges though:
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[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I think that if these people were truly guilty of anything Trump wouldn't have pardoned them. He knows what he's doing.

Then you are unfortunately naive beyond belief.

 

[ColonelAngus]

All the evidence from jan6th investigation is here for all to see.

and Ray Epps was charged with a misdemeanor.

Why not 4 years in prison? Why wasnt he immediately charged like the rest?

Some of the evidence was destroyed. The committee fucking admitted they did it for housekeeping and it was evidence that did not advance the case.

EVIDENCE WAS DESTROYED.

 

[Concerned American]

Then you are unfortunately naive beyond belief.

No one participating in J6 deserved more than a few months incarceration or community service for their part in that riot. Conversely, Capitol police officer, Byrd should be tried and incarcerated for murder for his summary execution of Ashli Babbitt for the misdemeanor crime of trespass.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

By murdering an unarmed woman? By tear gassing a bunch of people who were peacefully protesting? Nobody was doing anything violent until the police showed up. THAT was self-defense!!

The police were there first. How is it possible that you don't know this?!?

And Babbitt was not murdered, everyone who works in that capacity, when asked, has said the same thing, that they would have shot her as well.

Something that you all have apparently NEVER thought of is that the officer who shot her probably knew the people he was defending by sight and name. They probably greeted each other in passing and perhaps even conversed.

So yeah, you want to take point and lead a violent mob towards government officials who are being protected by law enforcement officers, you risk getting shot. It's unfortunate her parents never had "the talk" with her that many black families have to have with their children.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You are trying to blame the violence that occurred on the Capitol police, which is pathetic.

You know what's really pathetic about Road Runner's claims? The police have been granted lawful authority by the state (government) to use violence in order to enforce the law. Up to and including deadly force depending upon the circumstances.

Nothing violent that any of the J6ers participated in was lawful in contrast.

I know not everyone has a firm grasp on the intricacies of our laws, but these things have been explained to her before, so you are right, this has gotten just downright pathetic.

 

[scruffy]

You know what's really pathetic about Road Runner's claims? The police have been granted lawful authority by the state (government) to use violence in order to enforce the law.

And they regularly get the shit sued out of them for excessive force.

Up to and including deadly force depending upon the circumstances.

Derek Chauvin is in jail, doofus.

Nothing violent that any of the J6ers participated in was lawful in contrast.

Trespassing is a simple misdemeanor.

So is vandalism.

Show me any BLM'er who got murdered for breaking a window.

I know not everyone has a firm grasp on the intricacies of our laws, but these things have been explained to her before, so you are right, this has gotten just downright pathetic.

Your arguments are extremely pathetic. You seem to know very little about the law.

 

[dudmuck]

Why not 4 years in prison? Why wasnt he immediately charged like the rest?

Some of the evidence was destroyed. The committee fucking admitted they did it for housekeeping and it was evidence that did not advance the case.

EVIDENCE WAS DESTROYED.

Epps was charged for disorderly conduct in a restricted area. He never entered the capitol, nor any other crimes.

All the Jan 6th evidence is here. Nobody has every provided any proof they destroyed any records.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Epps was charged for disorderly conduct in a restricted area. He never entered the capitol, nor any other crimes.

All the Jan 6th evidence is here. Nobody has every provided any proof they destroyed any records.

Lots of people who never entered the Capitol went to prison.

Have you seen the video of Epps encouraging people to go into the Capitol? Why do you not want him punished for insurrection and sentenced to prison like the others?

At the Capitol, Epps was photographed whispering into the ear of another man before rioters breached a police barricade. Epps also helped other rioters push a large, metal-framed sign into a group of police officers and participated in “a rugby scrum-like group effort” to push past a line of officers, Gordon, an assistant U.S. attorney, said in a court filing.

Looks like he was a full J6 participant like anyone else there that day who got prison time.

It is strange this is the one person people on the left do not want to go to prison.

He is an Oathkeeper to boot. You yourself have admitted the Oathkeers were an integral part of the insurrection….but you defend this Oath Keeper.

So odd, huh?

 

[toobfreak]

toobfreak, how do I find your video evidence proving that this one is just spewing?