What is the goal of capitalism?

[Red Front]

"Capitalism is an exceptional belief that the activities of the most vile scum, driven by the most base motives, will somehow be for the benefit of everyone" (c) John Maynard Keynes

^Fake quote.


The great merit of the capitalist system, it has been said, is that it succeeds in using the nastiest motives of nasty people for the ultimate benefit of society.

^True fact

Your quote makes a cynical, laughable assertion that couldn't be further from the facts. Your imaginary invisible hand is nowhere to be found other than in your imagination, because the facts are that capitalism (especially when improperly regulated by the government) always leads to gross inequality (i.e. social unrest, mass poverty), boom and bust cycles requiring government bailouts to save the nation's economy, cronyism, plutocratic oligarchy, the undermining of human progress for the sake of profits and maintaining market share, imperialist wars..etc.

Without socialism, capitalism crumbles:

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,502,641,455	957
2	Intel	$8,360,460,516	128
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,550,136,090	786
5	Micron Technology	$6,856,681,915	19
6	Amazon.com	$5,802,700,434	455
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
11	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	216
12	Sempra Energy	$3,878,692,264	51
13	NRG Energy	$3,405,383,876	264
14	Venture Global LNG	$3,285,883,566	6
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
20	Walt Disney	$2,483,328,762	255
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
23	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
24	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
25	Samsung	$2,178,196,443	83
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Toyota	$2,111,010,689	239
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Comcast	$2,032,609,740	398
32	Paramount Global	$1,973,256,854	336
33	Brookfield Corporation	$1,969,735,585	287
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,906,554,975	227
35	Apple Inc.	$1,900,308,359	63
36	Nissan	$1,892,314,165	98
37	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,838,569,373	1,194
38	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
39	General Electric	$1,779,446,759	998
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,762,150,650	1,151
41	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
42	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
43	Energy Transfer	$1,680,794,666	156
44	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
45	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
46	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,564,430,563	64
47	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$1,536,054,012	5
48	IBM Corp.	$1,519,901,697	368
49	General Atomics	$1,505,785,957	111
50	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
51	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
52	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
53	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
54	Lockheed Martin	$1,337,674,082	323
55	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
56	Northrop Grumman	$1,275,514,883	284
57	Corning Inc.	$1,269,303,359	400
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,166,657,132	781
61	SK Holdings	$1,081,550,283	9
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	CF Industries	$982,271,715	129
68	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
69	SkyWest	$922,686,541	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	59
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$891,705,089	592
73	LG	$883,168,466	88
74	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
75	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	92
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$796,947,128	953
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$772,994,690	218
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$766,205,550	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$676,761,373	498
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	632
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
97	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
98	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79
99	Eli Lilly

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How easy it is to insult and denigrate people hiding behind your computer in Chicago, huh?

Sorry, that's my reaction when a commie tries to distract from his failures by mentioning Hitler.

Yes, very easy to insult idiot commies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your quote makes a cynical, laughable assertion that couldn't be further from the facts. Your imaginary invisible hand is nowhere to be found other than in your imagination, because the facts are that capitalism (especially when improperly regulated by the government) always leads to gross inequality (i.e. social unrest, mass poverty), boom and bust cycles requiring government bailouts to save the nation's economy, cronyism, plutocratic oligarchy, the undermining of human progress for the sake of profits and maintaining market share, imperialist wars..etc.

Without socialism, capitalism crumbles:

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,502,641,455	957
2	Intel	$8,360,460,516	128
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,550,136,090	786
5	Micron Technology	$6,856,681,915	19
6	Amazon.com	$5,802,700,434	455
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
11	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	216
12	Sempra Energy	$3,878,692,264	51
13	NRG Energy	$3,405,383,876	264
14	Venture Global LNG	$3,285,883,566	6
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
20	Walt Disney	$2,483,328,762	255
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
23	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
24	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
25	Samsung	$2,178,196,443	83
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Toyota	$2,111,010,689	239
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Comcast	$2,032,609,740	398
32	Paramount Global	$1,973,256,854	336
33	Brookfield Corporation	$1,969,735,585	287
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,906,554,975	227
35	Apple Inc.	$1,900,308,359	63
36	Nissan	$1,892,314,165	98
37	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,838,569,373	1,194
38	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
39	General Electric	$1,779,446,759	998
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,762,150,650	1,151
41	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
42	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
43	Energy Transfer	$1,680,794,666	156
44	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
45	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
46	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,564,430,563	64
47	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$1,536,054,012	5
48	IBM Corp.	$1,519,901,697	368
49	General Atomics	$1,505,785,957	111
50	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
51	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
52	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
53	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
54	Lockheed Martin	$1,337,674,082	323
55	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
56	Northrop Grumman	$1,275,514,883	284
57	Corning Inc.	$1,269,303,359	400
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,166,657,132	781
61	SK Holdings	$1,081,550,283	9
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	CF Industries	$982,271,715	129
68	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
69	SkyWest	$922,686,541	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	59
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$891,705,089	592
73	LG	$883,168,466	88
74	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
75	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	92
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$796,947,128	953
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$772,994,690	218
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$766,205,550	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$676,761,373	498
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	632
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
97	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
98	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79
99	Eli Lilly

Useless no detail list. No one cares.

Tell me how awesome commies are when Russia is no longer a shithole.

 

[dblack]

What is the "goal" of freedom?

 

[Red Front]

Useless no detail list. No one cares.

Tell me how awesome commies are when Russia is no longer a shithole.

You don't care, but you're not everyone. That's your delusion.

Capitalists, not communists run Russia. How many more times does Putin have to tell you he's not a communist, for you to get it through your thick skull? The shithole is here in America and the fact that you don't know that tells me you're delusional. This country is falling apart.

 

[Robert W]

Capitalism is merely one way to address issues of goods, services etc in any society or set of societies. It posits the notion that negotiation between those who seek products or services or raw materials and those who may be able to fulfill those things will lead to the most effective way of providing for them.

It has more to do with being an effective system than it has to do with seeking any particular form of providing for liberty and freedom.

But it does incidentally serve the interests of freedom and liberty. You don’t buy an item by holding a gun to the seller’s head and threatening him to sell you a product. He doesn’t hold a gun to your head to compel you to buy his product, either.

Well said so well.

 

[Robert W]

What is the "goal" of freedom?

To avoid being a captive.

 

[Robert W]

You don't care, but you're not everyone. That's your delusion.

Capitalists, not communists run Russia. How many more times does Putin have to tell you he's not a communist, for you to get it through your thick skull? The shithole is here in America and the fact that you don't know that tells me you're delusional. This country is falling apart.

He is not. But you are a communist. Guess Putin pisses you off then.

 

[Red Front]

He is not. But you are a communist. Guess Putin pisses you off then.

I don't like Putin, but at least he's not an imperialist, with 700+ military installations around the planet, bullying the world, as the United States does. At least Putin's Russia doesn't inject children with puberty blockers and the Russians can define what a woman is.

 

[Red Front]

Useless no detail list. No one cares.

Tell me how awesome commies are when Russia is no longer a shithole.

You don't know how to click on a link? The list of 99 companies receiving regular, continuous subsidies and bailouts (socialism for the rich ruling elites) from the government is fully detailed, you're just lazy.

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RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,502,641,455	957
2	Intel	$8,360,460,516	128
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,550,136,090	786
5	Micron Technology	$6,856,681,915	19
6	Amazon.com	$5,802,700,434	455
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
11	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	216
12	Sempra Energy	$3,878,692,264	51
13	NRG Energy	$3,405,383,876	264
14	Venture Global LNG	$3,285,883,566	6
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
20	Walt Disney	$2,483,328,762	255
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
23	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
24	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
25	Samsung	$2,178,196,443	83
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Toyota	$2,111,010,689	239
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Comcast	$2,032,609,740	398
32	Paramount Global	$1,973,256,854	336
33	Brookfield Corporation	$1,969,735,585	287
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,906,554,975	227
35	Apple Inc.	$1,900,308,359	63
36	Nissan	$1,892,314,165	98
37	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,838,569,373	1,194
38	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
39	General Electric	$1,779,446,759	998
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,762,150,650	1,151
41	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
42	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
43	Energy Transfer	$1,680,794,666	156
44	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
45	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
46	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,564,430,563	64
47	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$1,536,054,012	5
48	IBM Corp.	$1,519,901,697	368
49	General Atomics	$1,505,785,957	111
50	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
51	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
52	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
53	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
54	Lockheed Martin	$1,337,674,082	323
55	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
56	Northrop Grumman	$1,275,514,883	284
57	Corning Inc.	$1,269,303,359	400
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,166,657,132	781
61	SK Holdings	$1,081,550,283	9
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	CF Industries	$982,271,715	129
68	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
69	SkyWest	$922,686,541	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	59
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$891,705,089	592
73	LG	$883,168,466	88
74	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
75	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	92
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$796,947,128	953
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$772,994,690	218
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$766,205,550	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$676,761,373	498
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	632
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
97	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
98	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79
99	Eli Lilly	$601,741,368	77

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[Robert W]

I don't like Putin, but at least he's not an imperialist, with 700+ military installations around the planet, bullying the world, as the United States does. At least Putin's Russia doesn't inject children with puberty blockers and the Russians can define what a woman is.

You don't like him then you spend the next time bragging about him. Should that amaze me?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You don't know how to click on a link? The list of 99 companies receiving regular, continuous subsidies and bailouts (socialism for the rich ruling elites) from the government is fully detailed, you're just lazy.

Download results as CSV or XML or Save your search (Click here for information on download subscriptions)

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,502,641,455	957
2	Intel	$8,360,460,516	128
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,550,136,090	786
5	Micron Technology	$6,856,681,915	19
6	Amazon.com	$5,802,700,434	455
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
11	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	216
12	Sempra Energy	$3,878,692,264	51
13	NRG Energy	$3,405,383,876	264
14	Venture Global LNG	$3,285,883,566	6
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
20	Walt Disney	$2,483,328,762	255
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
23	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
24	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
25	Samsung	$2,178,196,443	83
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Toyota	$2,111,010,689	239
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Comcast	$2,032,609,740	398
32	Paramount Global	$1,973,256,854	336
33	Brookfield Corporation	$1,969,735,585	287
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,906,554,975	227
35	Apple Inc.	$1,900,308,359	63
36	Nissan	$1,892,314,165	98
37	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,838,569,373	1,194
38	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
39	General Electric	$1,779,446,759	998
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,762,150,650	1,151
41	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
42	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
43	Energy Transfer	$1,680,794,666	156
44	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
45	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
46	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,564,430,563	64
47	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$1,536,054,012	5
48	IBM Corp.	$1,519,901,697	368
49	General Atomics	$1,505,785,957	111
50	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
51	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
52	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
53	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
54	Lockheed Martin	$1,337,674,082	323
55	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
56	Northrop Grumman	$1,275,514,883	284
57	Corning Inc.	$1,269,303,359	400
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,166,657,132	781
61	SK Holdings	$1,081,550,283	9
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	CF Industries	$982,271,715	129
68	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
69	SkyWest	$922,686,541	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	59
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Did it work? Did it save the plant? Save the jobs?

 

[Red Front]

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Did it work? Did it save the plant? Save the jobs?

Did your "free-market" unicorn work without a mass government intervention? Did the plant successfully remain in business without public funds rescuing the capitalist enterprise? Did the "invisible hand" of the "free market" successfully function without needing socialism (a publicly funded rescue operation)? No, it didn't.

You're always complaining about the government involving itself in the development of public infrastructure and allocating funds for social programs that benefit the working class, but whenever that same government spends trillions subsidizing the private sector due to the failures of capitalists, you're all for it. You never resort to insulting the capitalists for being dependents of the "nanny state", and you never criticize them for receiving public funds to help them remain in business.

When I propose the government should employ all of the unemployed, or through the SBA (Small Business Administration) and other programs, help working-class people start businesses or worker-owned cooperatives like this:

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You complain that the government shouldn't guarantee employment to anyone or be spending money to help people start a worker-owned cooperative. The government should never allocate funds to help working-class people do anything, because that's supposedly being a "bum" who is dependent on the "nanny state". The "nanny state" is only acceptable and good, when it is funding your capitalist buddies, not when it spends money for infrastructure or social services that contribute to the public good.

The government should only serve Todd and his rich wealthy idols and friends. The people Todd loves and idolizes the most (the rich ruling elites), should get billions in bailouts and subsidies while working-class people can essentially go to hell. That's the Todd Theory Of Macroeconomics - TTM. Socialism for the rich, while the poor and the working class can go suck an egg.

 

[Red Front]

You don't like him then you spend the next time bragging about him. Should that amaze me?

Just because I don't like someone doesn't imply I can't recognize their virtues. As a communist, I don't like capitalism, but that doesn't mean that I don't recognize the good aspects of capitalism. Capitalism is better than feudalism and it contributed heavily to the development of the industrialized, modern world. Karl Marx even wrote about the virtues of capitalism and capitalists in their revolutionary struggle against European monarchies and royal aristocracy, recognizing the expansion of republican, democratic ideals and institutions as part of their legacy.

Am I now pro-capitalism? No, I believe capitalism in its later stage of development becomes imperialistic and undermines human progress. But I still can say some good things about it.

Todd was arguing that Russia today is a communist state. How more absurd can he be? Russia is a capitalist-run country, not a socialist one. Perhaps that's why the Russian communist party is growing and Russia's political landscape is now about 20% communist. We still have a long way to go, before Russia returns to communism, but it will eventually happen. Russia isn't communist now, it's a plutocratic oligarchy led by Putin, the Tsar of the oligarchs. He's getting in the way of Russia's development and success. Russia would be a lot stronger without him, provided the Russian economy leans more towards socialism. The closer to socialism it moves the better.

 

[dblack]

To avoid being a captive.

Same for capitalism.

 

[dblack]

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Did it work? Did it save the plant? Save the jobs?

This sick little detail is that socialists push for these subsidies, specifically to erode capitalism and inject gov intervention in the economy. They're bitching about their "success".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did your "free-market" unicorn work without a mass government intervention? Did the plant successfully remain in business without public funds rescuing the capitalist enterprise? Did the "invisible hand" of the "free market" successfully function without needing socialism (a publicly funded rescue operation)? No, it didn't.

You're always complaining about the government involving itself in the development of public infrastructure and allocating funds for social programs that benefit the working class, but whenever that same government spends trillions subsidizing the private sector due to the failures of capitalists, you're all for it. You never resort to insulting the capitalists for being dependents of the "nanny state", and you never criticize them for receiving public funds to help them remain in business.

When I propose the government should employ all of the unemployed, or through the SBA (Small Business Administration) and other programs, help working-class people start businesses or worker-owned cooperatives like this:

​

You complain that the government shouldn't guarantee employment to anyone or be spending money to help people start a worker-owned cooperative. The government should never allocate funds to help working-class people do anything, because that's supposedly being a "bum" who is dependent on the "nanny state". The "nanny state" is only acceptable and good, when it is funding your capitalist buddies, not when it spends money for infrastructure or social services that contribute to the public good.

The government should only serve Todd and his rich wealthy idols and friends. The people Todd loves and idolizes the most (the rich ruling elites), should get billions in bailouts and subsidies while working-class people can essentially go to hell. That's the Todd Theory Of Macroeconomics - TTM. Socialism for the rich, while the poor and the working class can go suck an egg.

Did the "invisible hand" of the "free market" successfully function without needing socialism (a publicly funded rescue operation)? No, it didn't.

You'll have to be more specific. All I hear is mumbling about Marx and pizza.

You're always complaining about the government involving itself in the development of public infrastructure and allocating funds for social programs that benefit the working class,

Again, you have to be precise. I complain about the government wasting money on things that don't fix a "problem" and often make it worse.

but whenever that same government spends trillions subsidizing the private sector due to the failures of capitalists, you're all for it.

If you're talking about TARP, it made a profit for the Treasury.

When I propose the government should employ all of the unemployed, or through the SBA (Small Business Administration) and other programs, help working-class people start businesses or worker-owned cooperatives like this:

Yes, government employing millions more just "because", would be monumentally stupid. Like Soviet levels of stupid. They pretend to pay us; we pretend to work level stupid.

 

[Red Front]

Did the "invisible hand" of the "free market" successfully function without needing socialism (a publicly funded rescue operation)? No, it didn't.

You'll have to be more specific. All I hear is mumbling about Marx and pizza.

You're always complaining about the government involving itself in the development of public infrastructure and allocating funds for social programs that benefit the working class,

Again, you have to be precise. I complain about the government wasting money on things that don't fix a "problem" and often make it worse.

but whenever that same government spends trillions subsidizing the private sector due to the failures of capitalists, you're all for it.

If you're talking about TARP, it made a profit for the Treasury.

When I propose the government should employ all of the unemployed, or through the SBA (Small Business Administration) and other programs, help working-class people start businesses or worker-owned cooperatives like this:

Yes, government employing millions more just "because", would be monumentally stupid. Like Soviet levels of stupid. They pretend to pay us; we pretend to work level stupid.

The only "stupid" here is capitalist-level stupidity. All of those trillions of dollars in public funds spent throughout the decades to bail out capitalism in multiple economic disasters caused by capitalist greed and stupidity are supposedly justified in your warped mind but whenever the government spends for social services or infrastructural development it's a horrible waste of resources.

All of this is coming to an end eventually, in the not-too-distant future, as automation and artificial intelligence continue to take jobs. Your billionaire buddies are now begging the government to give everyone a monthly UBI check, with the hope of creating paying consumers, despite such consumers being unemployed. All of this underscores the fact that socialism is the natural successor of capitalism. We're witnessing capitalism in its final chapter before it dies and joins chattel slavery and feudalism in the ash heap of past, obsolete systems of production.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The only "stupid" here is capitalist-level stupidity. All of those trillions of dollars in public funds spent throughout the decades to bail out capitalism in multiple economic disasters caused by capitalist greed and stupidity are supposedly justified in your warped mind but whenever the government spends for social services or infrastructural development it's a horrible waste of resources.

All of this is coming to an end eventually, in the not-too-distant future, as automation and artificial intelligence continue to take jobs. Your billionaire buddies are now begging the government to give everyone a monthly UBI check, with the hope of creating paying consumers, despite such consumers being unemployed. All of this underscores the fact that socialism is the natural successor of capitalism. We're witnessing capitalism in its final chapter before it dies and joins chattel slavery and feudalism in the ash heap of past, obsolete systems of production.

All of those trillions of dollars in public funds spent throughout the decades to bail out capitalism in multiple economic disasters caused by capitalist greed and stupidity are supposedly justified in your warped mind but whenever the government spends for social services or infrastructural development it's a horrible waste of resources.

Which bailouts? When?
Just making a claim doesn't prove it happened.

 

[Red Front]

All of those trillions of dollars in public funds spent throughout the decades to bail out capitalism in multiple economic disasters caused by capitalist greed and stupidity are supposedly justified in your warped mind but whenever the government spends for social services or infrastructural development it's a horrible waste of resources.

Which bailouts? When?
Just making a claim doesn't prove it happened.

Anyone can google all of the bailouts and subsidies paid to the private sector. The point is that capitalism often gets assistance from the "nanny state", to stay in business. It's not just bailouts, but many different subsidies, grants..etc. All types of help, and of course you're all for it. You'll never criticize these capitalists for asking for government assistance and building their success upon that, while if I say the government should encourage the working class to organize worker-owned cooperatives and provide them with needed funding, you'll start complaining.