What is "Terrorism"?

[Seawytch]

Whether we identify these crimes as crimes (murder) or acts of terror with the intent to terrify, should the response be different?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

In its basic form it is a fascist top-down political system....it is a total way of life.....where everything is controlled from religious practices to economics, law, politics, and social life....

jihad is a duty of Islam.....it can be either an 'inner struggle' (peacefully) or an 'outer struggle' (violently)......seems Farkook chose the latter...

It is a total way of life. True.
Jihad is the duty to repel invaders against the dar el salaam. That jihaddists have misappropriated the term is nothing new.

you seem to think that the jihadis practice some 'other' form of religion than Islam....sects like the IS actually are the fundamentalists of Islam.....they follow the Koran literally....

They do. They are to Islam what the Westboro Baptists are to Protestant Christianity.

uhhh....the Westboro Baptists/fundamental Christians have whole countries and sects and tribes that have practices similar to violent jihad/sharia.....?

No but if they did they would look like Wahhabism.

but they don't.....Saudi Arabia is promoting and building mosques all over America.....unlike the Baptists who stand in their little group holding signs.....Farkook went to SA and got a wife and who knows what advice.....it was saudi terrorists brought down the towers killing 3,000 Americans....

 

[The Rabbi]

It is a total way of life. True.
Jihad is the duty to repel invaders against the dar el salaam. That jihaddists have misappropriated the term is nothing new.

you seem to think that the jihadis practice some 'other' form of religion than Islam....sects like the IS actually are the fundamentalists of Islam.....they follow the Koran literally....

They do. They are to Islam what the Westboro Baptists are to Protestant Christianity.

uhhh....the Westboro Baptists/fundamental Christians have whole countries and sects and tribes that have practices similar to violent jihad/sharia.....?

No but if they did they would look like Wahhabism.

but they don't.....Saudi Arabia is promoting and building mosques all over America.....unlike the Baptists who stand in their little group holding signs.....Farkook went to SA and got a wife and who knows what advice.....it was saudi terrorists brought down the towers killing 3,000 Americans....

Your assuming a conspiracy in the absence of evidence. So far the evidence is that he is one nutjob who was motivated by his sick version of Islam. It may come out later there was a conspiracy but so far I havent seen evidence.

 

[The Rabbi]

Whether we identify these crimes as crimes (murder) or acts of terror with the intent to terrify, should the response be different?

Good question.
Yes. If it is part of an organized effort, like 9/11, then we react the way Bush did, declaring war on these NGOs who are clearly waging war by different means.
If it is merely one lone nutjob then it becomes a law enforcement matter and the focus shifts to identifying threats before they become such. I think that wold be very difficult to do, if not impossible.

 

[Seawytch]

Whether we identify these crimes as crimes (murder) or acts of terror with the intent to terrify, should the response be different?

Good question.
Yes. If it is part of an organized effort, like 9/11, then we react the way Bush did, declaring war on these NGOs who are clearly waging war by different means.
If it is merely one lone nutjob then it becomes a law enforcement matter and the focus shifts to identifying threats before they become such. I think that wold be very difficult to do, if not impossible.

I disagree. We didn't get Bin Laden by going to war. We got him by investigation and then a small, direct strike.

Like the unibomber.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

you seem to think that the jihadis practice some 'other' form of religion than Islam....sects like the IS actually are the fundamentalists of Islam.....they follow the Koran literally....

They do. They are to Islam what the Westboro Baptists are to Protestant Christianity.

uhhh....the Westboro Baptists/fundamental Christians have whole countries and sects and tribes that have practices similar to violent jihad/sharia.....?

No but if they did they would look like Wahhabism.

but they don't.....Saudi Arabia is promoting and building mosques all over America.....unlike the Baptists who stand in their little group holding signs.....Farkook went to SA and got a wife and who knows what advice.....it was saudi terrorists brought down the towers killing 3,000 Americans....

Your assuming a conspiracy in the absence of evidence. So far the evidence is that he is one nutjob who was motivated by his sick version of Islam. It may come out later there was a conspiracy but so far I havent seen evidence.

a 'very religious' Muslim shot up a Christmas party with his wife killing 14 dead.....i doubt he is considered 'sick' in SA....

Since 9/11 there have been 91 killed by Muslims in America in 48 attacks.....were they all 'sick'....?
List of Islamic Terror Attacks in America

 

[NYcarbineer]

Too bad workplace violence has no teeth...

Neither does the Rabbi I'm guessing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

People are calling the San Bernadino shooting an act of terrorism. Was it? DOes it make a difference if the guy was motivated to shoot those people because he thought he was doing Allah's will, or because someone insulted him at a Christmas party?
It doesnt.
Either case he is one nutjob wasting a bunch of innocent people.
WHat constitutes terrorism is what we saw in Paris: coordinated attacks planned by others as part of a global effort. This was also 9/11.
But individual acts, no matter how heinous, are not acts of terrorism.

So the Boston Marathon dudes were not terrorists? Timothy Mcveigh wasn't?

Yes, McVeigh was a terrorist

So why shouldn't we make you register as rightwinger and wear a triangle on your shirt?

 

[Contumacious]

People are calling the San Bernadino shooting an act of terrorism. Was it? DOes it make a difference if the guy was motivated to shoot those people because he thought he was doing Allah's will, or because someone insulted him at a Christmas party?
It doesnt.
Either case he is one nutjob wasting a bunch of innocent people.
WHat constitutes terrorism is what we saw in Paris: coordinated attacks planned by others as part of a global effort. This was also 9/11.
But individual acts, no matter how heinous, are not acts of terrorism.

IF A VIOLENT ACT IS PERPETRATED BY THE US, THE UK, FRANCE AND/OR ISRAHELL AGAINST AN "ISLAMOFASCIST" IT IS NOT TERRORISM.



ANY RETALIATORY VIOLENT ATTACK PERPETRATED BY AN "ISLAMOFASCIST" AGAINST THE ENTITIES IDENTIFIED ABOVE , IS TERRORISM..


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[Siete]

pretty sure people in the building were terrified when the shooting started.

anyone still alive that did the shooting?

try them on 2 counts ..

Murder
act of terrorism

and give them the death sentence to be carried out in 48 hours.

 

[The Rabbi]

Whether we identify these crimes as crimes (murder) or acts of terror with the intent to terrify, should the response be different?

Good question.
Yes. If it is part of an organized effort, like 9/11, then we react the way Bush did, declaring war on these NGOs who are clearly waging war by different means.
If it is merely one lone nutjob then it becomes a law enforcement matter and the focus shifts to identifying threats before they become such. I think that wold be very difficult to do, if not impossible.

I disagree. We didn't get Bin Laden by going to war. We got him by investigation and then a small, direct strike.

Like the unibomber.

bin Laden was a side show.
We got most of the AQ guys by war. That included intelligence as well as direct action. We dismantled their ability to make war, targeting their funding and communications.
That is classic warfare.

 

[Timmy]

It's only terror when the perp is mooslim!

PP shooting = not terror as gunman is white .

 

[playtime]

Terrorism
Organization type
In its broadest sense, terrorism is any act designed to cause terror. In a narrower sense, terrorism can be understood to feature a political objective. The word terrorism is politically loaded and emotionally charged. ~wiki

ter·ror
ˈterər/dread, horror, fear and trembling, fright, alarm, panic
"she screamed in terror"

A terrorist carries out an act that causes terror.

I can assure you that every single victim in a mass shooting situation is terrified.

Every victim of every violent crime is terrified. Is every violent crime an act of terrorism?

does it have to be on a larger than even a one on one scale? it's a matter of degree.

 

[Contumacious]

IS SAN BERNARDINO A TERRORIST EVENT? YOU DO THE MATH

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

IS SAN BERNARDINO A GENUINE TERRORIST ATTACK OR A FALSE FLAG OPERATION IN ORDER TO USE THE EVENT TO DISARM US?


1- ORIGINALLY WITNESS AND POLICE WERE LOOKING FOR 3 WHITE SUSPECTS. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT?

2- THE POLICE HAS NOT RELEASED EITHER VIDEO FOOTAGE FROM THE BUILDING SECURITY CAMERAS NOR DASHCAM VIDEO EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE A GAZILLION POLICE CRUISERS THERE

3- WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT A DEEPLY RELIGIOUS NEW MOM , A PHARMACIST, WHO WEIGHTS APPROX 100 , POUNDS, DECIDED NOT TO WEAR HER TRADITIONAL BURQA - ALLEGEDLY CHOOSING INSTEAD TO WEAR "DARK ASSAULT TYPE CLOTHING - TACTICAL GEAR " THE PICTURE #2 BELOW DOES NOT SHOW HER WEARING "ASSAULT TYPE CLOTHING" AND IF THIS IS AN ISIS INSPIRED ATTACK - AN "ISLAMOFASCIST" ATTACK - WHY NOT WEAR HER TRADITIONAL CLOTHING TO SEND A MESSAGE

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[starfish1950]

People are calling the San Bernadino shooting an act of terrorism. Was it? DOes it make a difference if the guy was motivated to shoot those people because he thought he was doing Allah's will, or because someone insulted him at a Christmas party?
It doesnt.
Either case he is one nutjob wasting a bunch of innocent people.
WHat constitutes terrorism is what we saw in Paris: coordinated attacks planned by others as part of a global effort. This was also 9/11.
But individual acts, no matter how heinous, are not acts of terrorism.

Terrorism is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims....

Islam is a political ideology and Farkook was linked to that ideology.....

Islam is a reliigion, not a political ideology. Merely being "linked" to it doesnt make him a terrorist.
I dont think he was a terrorist at all. Merely another nutjob with a desire for fame.