What if we aren't taking this as seriously as we should?

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Seriously, have any if you looked at this not as a series of discreet events, but as a whole pattern?

An interesting and compelling look from NY Magazine
What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?

A little snip from the opening. Read the rest at the link and discuss.

You people. Every time I think you’ve hit rock bottom you show up with a jackhammer and keep digging.

You people, Every time I think that you can't have your head and further up your ass, you show up with another turd on your face

You fail at originality. You also fail at law. The turd you’re smelling is your Russia obsession over the democrat talking points which have no merit. But you willingly ran up there and shoved your face into the unwashed asshole of a clinton and the democrats. You’re loyal, I’ll give you that. But please get a shower. You smell horrible.

You fail at recognizing and dealing with the treasonous disaster that is T-Rump .

America is greater now. Do you not like that?

How the fuck is America greater?!! Is moving further toward and Oligarchy making America greater? Is taking health insurance away from million making America greater.? I tearing families apart making America greater ? Give e a fucking break!

 

[Missouri_Mike]

You people. Every time I think you’ve hit rock bottom you show up with a jackhammer and keep digging.

You people, Every time I think that you can't have your head and further up your ass, you show up with another turd on your face

You fail at originality. You also fail at law. The turd you’re smelling is your Russia obsession over the democrat talking points which have no merit. But you willingly ran up there and shoved your face into the unwashed asshole of a clinton and the democrats. You’re loyal, I’ll give you that. But please get a shower. You smell horrible.

You fail at recognizing and dealing with the treasonous disaster that is T-Rump .

America is greater now. Do you not like that?

How the fuck is America greater?!! Is moving further toward and Oligarchy making America greater? Is taking health insurance away from million making America greater.? I tearing families apart making America greater ? Give e a fucking break!

You’re a bit to drunk to type. Even spellcheck can’t keep up. Night snowflake sleep this one off.

 

[Crepitus]

Neither one of you fools bothered to read the link, it's hundreds of words and you dismissed it in seconds.

Yup, you may be right, some of us just seem to pause when you idiots post a "what if" link to anything....dumbass.

You know where you can stick that.

 

[Crepitus]

The difference here? Your post is rwnj propaganda, mine is a series of documented facts.

Actually those statements have been proven.

'frad not.

Yeah, your 'frad not' but you have no evidence to back up your uneducated opinion.

How am I supposed to present evidence that something made up never really happened?

Then how would you know it was made up and didn't happen?

That may be the stupidest thing I have read here yet

Bravo.

 

[Crepitus]

If wingers complain about something potentially dangerous not being taken seriously enough, perhaps they might consider the possibility that they scream so loud and so often about pretty much EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that most just don't take them seriously any more.

The little boy cried wolf once too often. Does anyone, on either end, know that story?
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You know you just described dOnald tRump's campaign strategy to a "T" right?

Any you voted for him.

 

[Crepitus]

Neither one of you fools bothered to read the link, it's hundreds of words and you dismissed it in seconds.

Can't get past the idiotic premise.

Your statement proves you don't understand what the word "premise" means.

 

[Crepitus]

I still believe in the concept of justice. Meaning, Trump was elected to be president and he should finish out his term until there's some type of evidence that proves he doesn't deserve to hold the post on legal grounds. If the Mueller turns out some evidence then great, let's impeach. If it doesn't, then he shouldn't be impeached, no matter how much you don't like him. Worst case: you'll get your chance to remove him from office in 2020.

Simple stuff really.

Agreed! But even with a common sense position like this you will still get POTUS apologists calling you all kinds of unsavory names saying you are full of fake news.

Oh yea. Like how the Mueller investigation should go on as long as it needs to. The only reason you'd want to shut it down is if you have something to hide. Otherwise, it's pretty easily spun as somewhat of a witch hunt by a biased FBI and plays into the overall narrative that Trump rolls with, which is that the media and the deep state are out to get him, cause they don't want America to be great again.

In reality, there was some smoke to be looked into within the campaign and that's what's happening. If Trump didn't win then there would be no further investigation, kinda like how the Hillary email thing has been dropped cause the result of it wouldn't impact a sitting president. If Trump didn't collude then he's got nothing to worry about.

However he seems very very worried.

 

[Crepitus]

Seriously, have any if you looked at this not as a series of discreet events, but as a whole pattern?

An interesting and compelling look from NY Magazine
What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?

A little snip from the opening. Read the rest at the link and discuss.

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trump’s advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if that’s wrong? What if we’re still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory. A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.

I thought Republicans were the conspiracy theorists.

You thought right.

 

[Crepitus]

It's a good thing no one got anything of value.

Yeah.......just like a mugger who finds his victim's wallet empty is as "innocent" as a new-born baby, correct, nitwit?....................lol

Trump stole a wallet? Tell me more!!!!!

DERP!

Are you really this stupid or is it an act?

 

[Crepitus]

Then there would be no need for a Trump Tower meeting, eh comrade?

For all other morons....like Toddie


The meeting at Trump Towers raises serious issues of liability under laws restricting foreign participation and influence in American elections,

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

Foreign nationals | FEC

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It's a good thing no one got anything of value.

attempted rape or rape....both are crimes

attempted robbery or robbery....are both crimes

attempted kidnapping and kidnapping .... are both crimes

granted, the latter, in each of the above is worse, but BOTH are crimes.

Fascinating!

What does any of that have to do with a Russian lawyer conning Trump Jr. into a 15 minute meeting?

Nevermind, I retract the question.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Seriously, have any if you looked at this not as a series of discreet events, but as a whole pattern?

An interesting and compelling look from NY Magazine
What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?

A little snip from the opening. Read the rest at the link and discuss.

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trump’s advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if that’s wrong? What if we’re still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory. A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.

Wishful Thinking for Wussies

Trump isn't anybody's flunkie. But Dimmercracks would love it if he were such a pushover.

I'm loving this thread - a day's laughs if nothing else. Keep it up.

 

[Crepitus]

Well, dumb fuck......of Hillary and the orange clown, WHO the hell is sitting in the oval office right now??

Funny you call President trump an orange CLOWN.....

Former FBI Director Comey declared to the world that Hillary was too stupid to be President...because she broke THOUANDS of laws and had no clue she was doing it.

Hillary compromised national security, committed Obstruction, violated Election and Campaign finance laws, Perjury, Conspiracy, Sedition, Treason...colluded with and paid foreign spies / Russians, was protected by a criminal ex-administration, ran the worst campaign ever, and still could not win her party's nomination and failed to win the WH AFTER the nomination was GIVEN to her.

Afterwards she wrote a vengeful, hateful book, called 'This is Who I blame For Losing' in which she blamed everyone from the Russians to the Democrats to the FBI to Obama and even 'stupid, weak Democrats / women'...everyone except herself.

The only thing she was successful in doing was staying out of prison, and even with that she could not do it herself. She had to be GIVEN that, too.

Lol @ "thousands of laws".

Seriously.

 

[Crepitus]

For all other morons....like Toddie


The meeting at Trump Towers raises serious issues of liability under laws restricting foreign participation and influence in American elections,

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

Foreign nationals | FEC

.

It's a good thing no one got anything of value.

attempted rape or rape....both are crimes

attempted robbery or robbery....are both crimes

attempted kidnapping and kidnapping .... are both crimes

granted, the latter, in each of the above is worse, but BOTH are crimes.

Fascinating!

What does any of that have to do with a Russian lawyer conning Trump Jr. into a 15 minute meeting?

if you think it was simply a con, or one time con....then sure....

here's a clue...

It wasn't.

And you would know that HOW, comrade?

Please post the evidence and cite the exact laws broken by this meeting having taken place and based on what happened in the meeting.

Snowflakes love to squeal, 'Trump did this' and 'Trump did that' but always leave out the fact that no law was broken....

Lol the "collusion isn't a crime" sidestep.

You kids are endlessly amusing.

 

[Crepitus]

Barak Obama ADMITTED He:

- Was sired by an Anti-Colonialist who wanted to see the US eliminated as a World Power and World influence
-- During college he connected with his father and changed his name to honor him

- Was tutored for years by Communist Frank Marshall Davis

- Studied Socialist Saul Alensky & quoted him during his Inauguration

- Was Mentored for decades by a racist, hate-spewing, anti-American

- Was friends with an un-apologetic domestic terrorists

Did liberals take all of this too lightly?


During his Presidency - over 8 years - Obama:
- Financed, supplied, supported, aided, abetted, armed, trained, protected, defended, and even dragged the US into Un-Constitutional, unapproved wars to help terrorists - to include Al Qaeda who slaughtered 3,000 Americans - take over their own country.

- In our war with terrorists rendered critical captured classified evidence / information we had obtained USELESS by broadcasting it to the world

- Aided terrorists, drug cartels, human traffickers, violent gangs, violent criminal illegals, and enemies to this country

- Violated both Constitution and Law

- Abandoned / sacrificed Americans to die at the hands of terrorists, illegally spied o Americans / reporters / the media / US Senators / USSC JUSTICES, GOP candidates, and a US President....Used a weaponized IRS against Americans who legally opposed his re-election

He did more harm to this country than any outside threat.

The difference here? Your post is rwnj propaganda, mine is a series of documented facts.

Actually those statements have been proven.

Doesn’t matter. Crepitus loathes facts.

How would you know? You've never presented any.

 

[Thinker101]

Neither one of you fools bothered to read the link, it's hundreds of words and you dismissed it in seconds.

Yup, you may be right, some of us just seem to pause when you idiots post a "what if" link to anything....dumbass.

You know where you can stick that.

Sorry, I don't swing that way, you're on your own.

 

[Crepitus]

Barak Obama was caught running weapons to Mexican Drug cartels...and to Al Qaeda (Yes, THAT Al Qaeda)...to ISIS....and no one on the left ever called for his Impeachment.

What if we aren't taking this as seriously as we should?

Where the f* was THIS then?

"But...but...but...Obama!"

Lmao

 

[Crepitus]

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

You mean like how Hillary colluded with and paid foreign spies and Russians for a propaganda-filled report she illegally used in an election and a report she turned over to the FBI who illegally used it - according to the US IG - to abuse the FISA courts and obtain illegal wiretaps?!

Those things did not happen.

You should come over here to reality for a visit, we have coffee.

 

[Mac1958]

You know you just described dOnald tRump's campaign strategy to a "T" right?
Any you voted for him.

Well no, I voted for Hillary.

But fortunately, I'm not blinded by a partisan ideology that only "sees" the bad on the "other side".

But please, try again.
.

 

[Crepitus]

The difference here? Your post is rwnj propaganda, mine is a series of documented facts.

Actually those statements have been proven.

'frad not.

Yeah, your 'frad not' but you have no evidence to back up your uneducated opinion.

How am I supposed to present evidence that something made up never really happened?

Then how would you know it was made up and didn't happen?

Because I was there when it didn't.

 

[Crepitus]

How am I supposed to present evidence that something made up never really happened?

How can you make accusations of something that never happened? Yet you snowflakes / distraught Hillary supporters did.

There never was - never has been - evidence of any crime that warranted an investigation and certainly NOT a Special Counsel.

There never was - never has been - evidence of illegal collusion between President Donald Trump and the Russians.

There IS a LOT of evidence that can be made in an accusation of the same thing in regards to Hillary Clinton:

She, her husband, and her campaign manager took cash / unreported stocks from the Russian KGB Bank.
- Her campaign manager's brother worked for the KGB Bank and the Russian Intel Collection Agency.

Bill Clinton attempted to meet with Russian Nuclear Agency officials, and when he failed to do that he met with Putin Directly...and it sure wasn't to discuss 'grandchildren'.

Hillary paid foreign spies and Russians for propaganda which she used illegally in a US election in an attempt to alter the outcome of the election.

President Trump did not do any of those things....and if any of you 'Americans' really cared about this country you would demand answers / an investigation of all those things.

Just because you refuse to see it doesn't mean there isn't evidence.