What if Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims imposing Sharia law on workers?

[TakeAStepBack]

If the Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims, the Supreme Court never would have taken the case

Logical fallacy. I'm shocked.

 

[dilloduck]

Yeah, comparing apples to cinder blocks is a real gotcha.

How is this hypothetical different? They both involve a closely held corporation's religious views being reflected in their business practices. Or is there some sort of religious chauvinism going on on your part?

Business practices all operate on some type of a belief system. Should non religion get special preference over religion ? Should a kosher deli be forced to sell non Kosher food ? Let the businesses operate on their own.

 

[jknowgood]

What if Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims imposing Sharia law on workers?

Former Star Trek actor George Takei blasted Monday’s decision by the Supreme Court allowing the craft store Hobby Lobby to opt out of the contraceptive mandate of the Affordable Care Act.

In a post on the website for his new play, Allegiance, the openly gay Takei called Monday’s decision “a stunning setback for women’s reproductive rights.”

“The ruling elevates the rights of a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION over those of its women employees and opens the door to all manner of claims that a company can refuse services based on its owner’s religion,” Takei wrote.

He referred to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s blistering 35-page dissent to the decision, saying, “Think about the ramifications: As Justice Ginsberg’s stinging dissent pointed out, companies run by Scientologists could refuse to cover antidepressants, and those run by Jews or Hindus could refuse to cover medications derived from pigs (such as many anesthetics, intravenous fluids, or medications coated in gelatin).”

“(O)ne wonders,” he said, “whether the case would have come out differently if a Muslim-run chain business attempted to impose Sharia law on its employees.”

DOH!


Sulu corners the far-right tea brains with LOGIC!!

It was Bill Clinton's law that allowed this, double butt hurt for haznut! Need some cheese with that whine. Lol, loving it.

 

[Katzndogz]

What if the Hobby Lobby decision had overwhelming approval from the public?

Poll: Voters Support Hobby Lobby Decision by 10-Point Margin | The Weekly Standard

No matter how much democrats say that this decision allows the company to deny birth control to the employees, the public recognizing that this is a lie.

 

[Valerie]

If it was, you would not see a 5-4 Supreme Court defending their rights

exactly...

Fakey Jakematters is the one and only person I have on ignore. He has nothing to offer to the forum.

So then JimCrowie and UnCensored believe in only Christian exemptions in the Constitution.

But that is not what the Constitution says, kids.

If a business wants to have shari'a law as part of its legal format, what is to stop it?

compelling interest...

Hobby Lobby was decided today, 5-4, along the usual conservative/liberal split. Alito, writing for the majority, qualifies up his opinion in various ways:

* The decision only pertains to closely held companies governed by the ridiculously named “Religious Freedom Restoration Act.” Arguably, if Congress wanted to make an exception under the RFRA to remove birth control as a “religious” issue, it could.

* The decision applies only to birth control.

* Alito believes there is a less-restrictive means for the government to provide birth control.

Hobby Lobby And The True Gangsta Life Of Justice Alito « Above the Law: A Legal Web Site ? News, Commentary, and Opinions on Law Firms, Lawyers, Law Schools, Law Suits, Judges and Courts + Career Resources


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Alito said the opinion was limited to closely held corporations: “Our decision should not be understood to hold that an insurance coverage mandate must necessarily fall if it conflicts with an employer’s religious beliefs. Other coverage requirements, such as immunizations, may be supported by different interests (for example, the need to combat the spread of infectious diseases) and may involve different arguments about the least restrictive means of providing them. “

...

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote a dissent, joined on the merits by Justice Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, and Stephen Breyer.

In her dissent Ginsburg –disagreed with Alito --and worried about what other challenges might come next. : ”Reading the Act expansively, as the court does, raises a host of “Me, too” questions.

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Paul D. Clement, a lawyer for the companies argued the law substantially burdens his clients and that the government—which has exempted others from the law—had no compelling justification to force Hobby Lobby and other closely held businesses to provide the coverage.


Hobby Lobby Wins Contraceptive Ruling in Supreme Court - ABC News

 

[whitehall]

Maybe it's true. Maybe the radical left really doesn't know the difference between the 1st Amendment freedom of religion and Sharia law. Suppose the Obama administration forced Muslem owned companies to buy pork products for their workers. The radical left would be outraged.

 

[dilloduck]

SCOTUS is obviously a misogynist group of people and secretly abetting the War on Women.

 

[hazlnut]

What if Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims imposing Sharia law on workers?

Former Star Trek actor George Takei blasted Monday’s decision by the Supreme Court allowing the craft store Hobby Lobby to opt out of the contraceptive mandate of the Affordable Care Act.

In a post on the website for his new play, Allegiance, the openly gay Takei called Monday’s decision “a stunning setback for women’s reproductive rights.”

“The ruling elevates the rights of a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION over those of its women employees and opens the door to all manner of claims that a company can refuse services based on its owner’s religion,” Takei wrote.

He referred to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s blistering 35-page dissent to the decision, saying, “Think about the ramifications: As Justice Ginsberg’s stinging dissent pointed out, companies run by Scientologists could refuse to cover antidepressants, and those run by Jews or Hindus could refuse to cover medications derived from pigs (such as many anesthetics, intravenous fluids, or medications coated in gelatin).”

“(O)ne wonders,” he said, “whether the case would have come out differently if a Muslim-run chain business attempted to impose Sharia law on its employees.”

DOH!


Sulu corners the far-right tea brains with LOGIC!!

It was Bill Clinton's law that allowed this, double butt hurt for haznut! Need some cheese with that whine. Lol, loving it.

No hurt here.


I don't fear Sharia law -- like the you frightened paranoid teatard types.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If the Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims, the Supreme Court never would have taken the case

Obama would have stood with the Muslims

 

[hazlnut]

Maybe it's true. Maybe the radical left really doesn't know the difference between the 1st Amendment freedom of religion and Sharia law.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's apples to apples - Sharia Law, Christian rules, Scietologist policy---- all APPLES.


Try not to be so fucking stupid when posting in my threads.

 

[Redfish]

To the OP.

There are muslim businesses that impose muslim practices on their employees. All of their employees are muslims.

Why would a non-muslim want to work for a muslim employer?

Your OP is foolish. Plus you have no idea what the SCOTUS ruling was all about.

 

[hazlnut]

What if the Hobby Lobby decision had overwhelming approval from the public?

Poll: Voters Support Hobby Lobby Decision by 10-Point Margin | The Weekly Standard

No matter how much democrats say that this decision allows the company to deny birth control to the employees, the public recognizing that this is a lie.

Try to stay on topic dopey.

This has NOTHING to do with my OP.

 

[hazlnut]

To the OP.

There are muslim businesses that impose muslim practices on their employees. All of their employees are muslims.

Why would a non-muslim want to work for a muslim employer?

Your OP is foolish. Plus you have no idea what the SCOTUS ruling was all about.

Re-read the OP -- it was very specific about meds certain religions wouldn't approve.

Try reading before posting.

 

[dilloduck]

What if the Hobby Lobby decision had overwhelming approval from the public?

Poll: Voters Support Hobby Lobby Decision by 10-Point Margin | The Weekly Standard

No matter how much democrats say that this decision allows the company to deny birth control to the employees, the public recognizing that this is a lie.

Try to stay on topic dopey.

This has NOTHING to do with my OP.

Hobby Lobby is not imposing any law on it's workers

 

[dblack]

What if Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims imposing Sharia law on workers?

Former Star Trek actor George Takei blasted Monday’s decision by the Supreme Court allowing the craft store Hobby Lobby to opt out of the contraceptive mandate of the Affordable Care Act.

In a post on the website for his new play, Allegiance, the openly gay Takei called Monday’s decision “a stunning setback for women’s reproductive rights.”

“The ruling elevates the rights of a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION over those of its women employees and opens the door to all manner of claims that a company can refuse services based on its owner’s religion,” Takei wrote.

He referred to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s blistering 35-page dissent to the decision, saying, “Think about the ramifications: As Justice Ginsberg’s stinging dissent pointed out, companies run by Scientologists could refuse to cover antidepressants, and those run by Jews or Hindus could refuse to cover medications derived from pigs (such as many anesthetics, intravenous fluids, or medications coated in gelatin).”

“(O)ne wonders,” he said, “whether the case would have come out differently if a Muslim-run chain business attempted to impose Sharia law on its employees.”

DOH!


Sulu corners the far-right tea brains with LOGIC!!

As long as they had no real enforcement power - just as Hobby Lobby has no real power to force their views on anyone - then, sure. It'd be fine.

 

[Redfish]

To the OP.

There are muslim businesses that impose muslim practices on their employees. All of their employees are muslims.

Why would a non-muslim want to work for a muslim employer?

Your OP is foolish. Plus you have no idea what the SCOTUS ruling was all about.

Re-read the OP -- it was very specific about meds certain religions wouldn't approve.

Try reading before posting.

The HL ruling said that HL did not have to PAY FOR a specific number of abortion causing drugs. It did not say the HL could prevent its employees from using them, or that HL could fire anyone that used them.

The ruling could possibly be extended as suggested in the OP. So what? Why should any employer be required to PAY FOR any drug that violated its beliefs?

What is it with you libs, is abortion the only issue you care about? Is murdering unborn children that important to you?

 

[jon_berzerk]

it might all be moot

obamacare might get nuked today anyways

Decision Looms In Lawsuit That May Actually Crush Obamacare

 

[PoliticalChic]

Amazing the tortuous logic that Liberals will use to get their views mandated.

Neither accessibility nor availability of any product was denied.

What's the beef?

 

[Missourian]

Just because you own a business doesn't give the government the right to force a citizen, or group of citizens, to violate their religious beliefs.

Period.

Exclamation point!

It doesn't matter if they are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, or Buddhist.

These are the principles America was founded on.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Amazing the tortuous logic that Liberals will use to get their views mandated.

Neither accessibility nor availability of any product was denied.

What's the beef?

yes this certainly has been misreported