What I Don't Understand About "Climate Change"

[Slade3200]

Guess you don't know much about the Great Depression. That is the answer to your question.

Haha, you think that is an answer?!?! That’s funny

 

[Rigby5]

LOL. Damn, you just keep on proving my points. 23 million years ago man was not on the planet and there was no ice in Greenland or Antarctica. You are really making a fool out of yourself.

Irrelevant.
Of course at one time the planet had more CO2 than it does not, but that was changed by plants absorbing it and it turning into fossil fuel.
Obviously the fossil fuel remains show that at one time CO2 was very high, the planet was very warm, and it was covered in swamp.
But obviously these swamps absorbed all that extra carbon and left the planet with a much cooler atmosphere.
And since then, there have been at least 4 climate cycles of ice age and warming, with about a 110k year cycle.

 

[rupol2000]

the current warming

I don't see any warming. In the last ten years, there has been a strong cooling and an increase in humidity in the middle lane. Only the last 2 years have been warm.

 

[Rigby5]

I don't see any warming. In the last ten years, there has been a strong cooling and an increase in humidity in the middle lane. Only the last 2 years have been warm.

What you "see" is irrelevant.
For example, global warming that causes Greenland melt off is going to subduct the Gulf Stream because the cold melt off is fresh instead of salty, so lighter than the warm Gulf Stream. The result of that is going to be a 10 degree drop in weather temperature in Europe.
So what individuals see or feel, does not matter when it comes to climate. What people see and feel is weather, not climate.

 

[Independentthinker]

First of all, it is easy to prove the current global warming is not naturel because we know that the natural warming and cooling cycles is 110,000 years long, and this current warming is only 40 years old, and it is adding warming on top of the natural cycle already being warm.

We can not immediately stop the warming, but if we do not immediately stop the cause, then it will get so hot that all life may die on the planet.
If we do immediately stop the cause, it will still warm for 20 years, but never reach a deadly extreme.

The US can stop global warming alone because it is essentially only the US that is consuming so much per person, that it causing the whole problem.
The rest of the world already is doing things like mass transit, so already is using far less fossil fuel.
The planet can absorb most of the CO2, so we only need about a 20% reduction, and the US creates about 30% of the planets excess CO2.

What? You just stated that we are only in year 40 out of 110,000 years. That doesn't prove a damn thing other than we are in year 40 out of the next 110,000 years.

 

[Independentthinker]

Wrong.
Per person, the US is like 4 times worse than any other country in amount of pollution.

There are several other countries who pollute far more than the US does. Don't give me any of that per capita bullshit. The Earth doesn't care about per capita. The earth only cares about how much CO2 is being pumped into our atmosphere and many other countries are far, far, ahead of us. According to you, the easiest solution to our problem would be the US having many more babies. Do you see how stupid that argument is?

 

[Independentthinker]

Wrong. It is not the number of people that causes pollution, but the jets, cars, AC, waste, etc. that produce so much more CO2 per person than is necessary.
We could switch from cars and airliners, to trains and buses, and cut our CO2 production by over 50%.

Ah, so you are saying the solution to the US problem is to have many more babies. Then we can get our per capita numbers down. How stupid.

 

[Independentthinker]

Wrong.
There is no other country producing as much emissions per person as the US.
And what we do sets the standard that everyone else follows.

We keep on going over this. The Earth doesn't give a damn about per capita. The Earth cares about how much pollution is being pumped into it's atmosphere. Do you really think mother nature up there is giving China and India a pass just because their populations are much higher than the US? Do you really care about the environment or not? If you did then you wouldn't be giving Russia, China, India, Saudi Arabia et al a free pass.

 

[Independentthinker]

Haha, you think that is an answer?!?! That’s funny

Haha, you think that is an answer?!?! That’s funny

 

[Independentthinker]

Irrelevant.
Of course at one time the planet had more CO2 than it does not, but that was changed by plants absorbing it and it turning into fossil fuel.
Obviously the fossil fuel remains show that at one time CO2 was very high, the planet was very warm, and it was covered in swamp.
But obviously these swamps absorbed all that extra carbon and left the planet with a much cooler atmosphere.
And since then, there have been at least 4 climate cycles of ice age and warming, with about a 110k year cycle.

Irrelevant.

 

[Flash]

American Association for the Advancement of Science
"Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening." (2014)3

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American Chemical Society
"The Earth’s climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, largely as the result of human activities." (2016-2019)4

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American Geophysical Union
"Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence." (2019)5

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American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2019)6

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American Meteorological Society
"Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades ... The IPCC (2013), USGCRP (2017), and USGCRP (2018) indicate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-twentieth century." (2019)7

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American Physical Society
"Earth's changing climate is a critical issue and poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century." (2015)8

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The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases ... Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013)." (2015)9

SCIENCE ACADEMIES
International Academies: Joint Statement
"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10

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U.S. National Academy of Sciences
"Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions."11

U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
USGCRP emblem
U.S. Global Change Research Program
"Earth’s climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities." (2018, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12

INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES
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Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.”13

“Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.”14

Scientific Consensus

It’s important to remember that scientists always focus on the evidence, not on opinions. Scientific evidence continues to show that human activities (primarily the human burning of fossil fuels) have warmed Earth’s surface and its ocean basins, which in turn have continued to impact Earth’s...

climate.nasa.gov

Just want to address your point #1

The comments made about the earth's climate changing because of man made activities are nothing more than unproven science and speculation. There are no real data to back it up. Just simple bogus correlations and shit in shit out computer models paid for by research grants from organizations looking for a particular outcome.

That is why the assholes spouting the AGW bullshit have been caught creating fraudulent data and cherry picking data time and again and none of their dire predictions ever come true.

The earth's climate is changing just like it has done many times in the past but man's contribution to that is minimal and no excuse to wreck the world's economy.

 

[Likkmee]

Let me explanterate climate change for you. Their was 4 feet of snow in Chicagger, back in 1967. In 1970 it flooded like a motherfucker in May, I recall ?
Whole basement full and even made it to the first floor of the house Kitchen and stuff .
In 1992 there was a hurricane, named Andrew, that visited Miami for 2-3 hours. One old man I worked for AND LOVED LIKE A DAD, SAID " BOY HANG ONTO YOUR BALLS. iT'S GONNA BE A BLOW JOB LIKE YAINT EVER SEEN
I left the house at 6 am, want to the gas station(closed) and barely could find my way home, Climate changed a lot that night. Thank gAwg for a 454 Chevy dually and a couple chain saws...and some chains to remove a few CONCRETE power poles that magically blew over
When the 82nd (or 101---whatever) meatheads showed up, with no ammo. I traded 223 for diesel for my backhoe. Made us both happy ! Thanks for paying your taxes amigos !

 

[CrusaderFrank]

AGW destroyed in 2 graphs by real science

CO2 LAGS temperature, it does not DRIVE climate on planet Earth

Irrespective of the first graph, to the contrary of the AGW Theorem, human activity has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on CO2

 

[watchingfromafar]

Two things are happening at the same time.

[1] Fossil fuels are running out.
[2] Earth’s climate is changing. Our planet has gone through three (3) major climate changes; from being covered in ice to a heat wave back to ice.

Facts never lie; only people do; or they are just mistaken----

Splitting Of The Polar Vortex: The Arctic Is Melting In The Dead Of Winter
Models show the temperature is above freezing at the North Pole.
Despite the North Pole being shrouded in darkness for another month, temperatures in the Arctic have soared by as much as 45 degrees Fahrenheit above average. This has brought temperatures above freezing in February in one of the coldest places on Earth.
https://tinyurl.com/yc9q9y73

The North Pole just had an extreme heat wave for the 3rd winter in a row
As snow falls in Rome, the Arctic is getting alarmingly hot in the middle of winter.
It’s been downright toasty at the North Pole, at least by Arctic standards.
The northernmost weather station in the world, Cape Morris Jesup in Greenland, saw temperatures stay above freezing for almost 24 hours straight last week, and then climb to 43 degrees Fahrenheit (6.1 degrees Celsius) on Saturday before dropping again.
https://tinyurl.com/ycglzywj

The Arctic recently sent us a powerful message about climate change
Arctic scientists aren’t usually afraid of a little cold. Windy conditions don’t usually get us howling. The beasts we pay attention to are usually polar bears. But last week’s “Beast from the East” triggered a few anxious conversations.
Social media memes aside, our problem isn’t this one extreme weather event per se. Our key fear is that the Beast isn’t really from the East – its birthplace was farther north.
https://tinyurl.com/yconampf

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history?

October 29, 2020
Yes. Earth has experienced cold periods (or “ice ages”) and warm periods (“interglacials”) on roughly 100,000-year cycles for at least the last 1 million years. The last of these ices ended around 20,000 years ago.

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history? | NOAA Climate.gov
Earth has been a snowball and a hothouse at different times in its past. So if the climate changed before humans, how can we be sure we’re responsible for the dramatic warming that’s happening today?
How Earth’s Climate Changes Naturally (and Why Things Are Different Now) | Quanta Magazine

The largest global-scale climate variations in Earth’s recent geological past are the ice age cycles (see infobox, p.B4), which are cold glacial periods followed by shorter warm periods . The last few of these natural cycles have recurred roughly every 100,000 years.

Recent estimates of the increase in global average temperature since the end of the last ice age are 4 to 5 °C (7 to 9 °F). That change occurred over a period of about 7,000 years, starting 18,000 years ago. CO2 has risen more than 40% in just the past 200 years, much of this since the 1970s, contributing to human alteration of the planet’s energy budget that has so far warmed Earth by about 1 °C (1.8 °F). If the rise in CO2 continues unchecked, warming of the same magnitude as the increase out of the ice age can be expected by the end of this century or soon after. This speed of warming is more than ten times that at the end of an ice age, the fastest known natural sustained change on a global scale.
6. Climate is always changing. Why is climate change of concern now? | Royal Society

The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen
Snowball Earth - Wikipedia

Snowball Earth: The times our planet was covered in ice
Ancient rocks suggest that ice entirely covered our planet on at least two occasions. This theory may help explain the rise of complex life that followed.
The Earth has endured many changes in its 4.5-billion-year history, with some tumultuous twists and turns along the way. One especially dramatic episode appears to have come between 700 million and 600 million years ago, when scientists think ice smothered the entire planet, from the poles to the equator — twice in quick succession.
The story of Snowball Earth | Astronomy.com

We as a species either adapt or go the way of the DoDo bird

The dodo (Raphus cucullatus) is an extinct flightless bird that was endemic to the island of Mauritius, east of Madagascar in the Indian Ocean.

Dodo - Wikipedia

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[CrusaderFrank]

First of all, it is easy to prove the current global warming is not naturel because we know that the natural warming and cooling cycles is 110,000 years long, and this current warming is only 40 years old, and it is adding warming on top of the natural cycle already being warm.

We can not immediately stop the warming, but if we do not immediately stop the cause, then it will get so hot that all life may die on the planet.
If we do immediately stop the cause, it will still warm for 20 years, but never reach a deadly extreme.

The US can stop global warming alone because it is essentially only the US that is consuming so much per person, that it causing the whole problem.
The rest of the world already is doing things like mass transit, so already is using far less fossil fuel.
The planet can absorb most of the CO2, so we only need about a 20% reduction, and the US creates about 30% of the planets excess CO2.

where did you get your made up numbers?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Two things are happening at the same time.

[1] Fossil fuels are running out.
[2] Earth’s climate is changing. Our planet has gone through three (3) major climate changes; from being covered in ice to a heat wave back to ice.

Facts never lie; only people do; or they are just mistaken----

Splitting Of The Polar Vortex: The Arctic Is Melting In The Dead Of Winter
Models show the temperature is above freezing at the North Pole.
Despite the North Pole being shrouded in darkness for another month, temperatures in the Arctic have soared by as much as 45 degrees Fahrenheit above average. This has brought temperatures above freezing in February in one of the coldest places on Earth.
https://tinyurl.com/yc9q9y73

The North Pole just had an extreme heat wave for the 3rd winter in a row
As snow falls in Rome, the Arctic is getting alarmingly hot in the middle of winter.
It’s been downright toasty at the North Pole, at least by Arctic standards.
The northernmost weather station in the world, Cape Morris Jesup in Greenland, saw temperatures stay above freezing for almost 24 hours straight last week, and then climb to 43 degrees Fahrenheit (6.1 degrees Celsius) on Saturday before dropping again.
https://tinyurl.com/ycglzywj

The Arctic recently sent us a powerful message about climate change
Arctic scientists aren’t usually afraid of a little cold. Windy conditions don’t usually get us howling. The beasts we pay attention to are usually polar bears. But last week’s “Beast from the East” triggered a few anxious conversations.
Social media memes aside, our problem isn’t this one extreme weather event per se. Our key fear is that the Beast isn’t really from the East – its birthplace was farther north.
https://tinyurl.com/yconampf

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history?

October 29, 2020
Yes. Earth has experienced cold periods (or “ice ages”) and warm periods (“interglacials”) on roughly 100,000-year cycles for at least the last 1 million years. The last of these ices ended around 20,000 years ago.

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history? | NOAA Climate.gov
Earth has been a snowball and a hothouse at different times in its past. So if the climate changed before humans, how can we be sure we’re responsible for the dramatic warming that’s happening today?
How Earth’s Climate Changes Naturally (and Why Things Are Different Now) | Quanta Magazine

The largest global-scale climate variations in Earth’s recent geological past are the ice age cycles (see infobox, p.B4), which are cold glacial periods followed by shorter warm periods . The last few of these natural cycles have recurred roughly every 100,000 years.

Recent estimates of the increase in global average temperature since the end of the last ice age are 4 to 5 °C (7 to 9 °F). That change occurred over a period of about 7,000 years, starting 18,000 years ago. CO2 has risen more than 40% in just the past 200 years, much of this since the 1970s, contributing to human alteration of the planet’s energy budget that has so far warmed Earth by about 1 °C (1.8 °F). If the rise in CO2 continues unchecked, warming of the same magnitude as the increase out of the ice age can be expected by the end of this century or soon after. This speed of warming is more than ten times that at the end of an ice age, the fastest known natural sustained change on a global scale.
6. Climate is always changing. Why is climate change of concern now? | Royal Society

The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen
Snowball Earth - Wikipedia

Snowball Earth: The times our planet was covered in ice
Ancient rocks suggest that ice entirely covered our planet on at least two occasions. This theory may help explain the rise of complex life that followed.
The Earth has endured many changes in its 4.5-billion-year history, with some tumultuous twists and turns along the way. One especially dramatic episode appears to have come between 700 million and 600 million years ago, when scientists think ice smothered the entire planet, from the poles to the equator — twice in quick succession.
The story of Snowball Earth | Astronomy.com

We as a species either adapt or go the way of the DoDo bird

The dodo (Raphus cucullatus) is an extinct flightless bird that was endemic to the island of Mauritius, east of Madagascar in the Indian Ocean.

Dodo - Wikipedia

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I stopped reading at [1] Fossil fuels are running out.

Peak Oil = lol

 

[Rigby5]

What? You just stated that we are only in year 40 out of 110,000 years. That doesn't prove a damn thing other than we are in year 40 out of the next 110,000 years.

Wrong.
What I said is that the NORMAL climate cycle of cold and warm is about 110,000 years long.
But we have condensed that cycle into a much shorter period.
Actually were just leaving the hottest part of this natural climate cycle, and are adding and additional and new hot cycle on top of it, essentially condensing what would normally take about 50,000 years, into just 40 years.
And while the normal cycle has about a 5 degree temperature change, we seem likely to make this one achiever about a 10 degree swing.
Some theorize even more, if a runaway race conditions starts (positive feedback from water vapor, etc.).

 

[Rigby5]

There are several other countries who pollute far more than the US does. Don't give me any of that per capita bullshit. The Earth doesn't care about per capita. The earth only cares about how much CO2 is being pumped into our atmosphere and many other countries are far, far, ahead of us. According to you, the easiest solution to our problem would be the US having many more babies. Do you see how stupid that argument is?

Wrong.
Per capita is all that counts, because everyone needs and deserves some emissions per person.
The crime is only when the per capital amount is exceeded.
And the US is cheating, using its excess emissions to gain economic and military advantages over others, who then are forced to try to keep up.
If the US had more babies, we likely would be less greedy and would pollute a lot less.

 

[Rigby5]

We keep on going over this. The Earth doesn't give a damn about per capita. The Earth cares about how much pollution is being pumped into it's atmosphere. Do you really think mother nature up there is giving China and India a pass just because their populations are much higher than the US? Do you really care about the environment or not? If you did then you wouldn't be giving Russia, China, India, Saudi Arabia et al a free pass.

Wrong.
Per capita is all that matters.
That establishes the economic baseline everyone has to try to compete against.
No one else is going to reduce emissions until we do on a per capital basis.
Anything else would just be deliberate deception.
The US is the entire and ONLY problem.
Fix the US, and the rest of the world will stop polluting then as well.

 

[Rigby5]

The comments made about the earth's climate changing because of man made activities are nothing more than unproven science and speculation. There are no real data to back it up. Just simple bogus correlations and shit in shit out computer models paid for by research grants from organizations looking for a particular outcome.

That is why the assholes spouting the AGW bullshit have been caught creating fraudulent data and cherry picking data time and again and none of their dire predictions ever come true.

The earth's climate is changing just like it has done many times in the past but man's contribution to that is minimal and no excuse to wreck the world's economy.

Wrong and proven wrong.
Science says we have artificially almost doubled the CO2, and that it is CO2 that is the main factor in the 110,000 year long natural climate cycle.
Science says we have artificially condensed the natural 110,000 year long climate cycle into less than 200 years.