What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Flopper]

Would you immigrate to Thailand and give up your US citizenship to work in another country. It think not.

What he will probably do is return to India and setup his company there since his backers have agreed to fund him wherever he decides to go. I just hate to see our nation lose someone that talented.

And I hate to lose a nation because we are inviting so many immigrants here who are changing our language, culture and politics.

Sorry, but I don't want to see us as a single-party government forever because we fell into this Democrat trap. Once they get unrestricted power, the great experiment will be over, and our success will only be known to our children in history books.

600,000 new immigrants (about .18% of the population) each year becoming citizens is not a lot and they're not getting control of the government. Only 20% of naturalized Americans are coming from Latin America.

You lost the nation long ago to immigrants because most all of us are immigrants, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation.

Yes we are, but we don't need immigrants any longer. They are causing more problems for this country than we can handle. I don't care what the percentage is. But since you're so good at math, what percentage of our population where the 15 hijackers that were responsible for 911?

Legal immigrants to the US are better educated, and more likely to start new businesses than native born Americans. They tend to be risk takers and are far more likely to make the sacrifices needed to live the American dream than native born Americans.

In America, we seem to forget just how lucky we are to be born in a country where we are free to do whatever we choose with our lives. Immigrants remind us of just how lucky we are and how we fail to take advantage of our freedoms. Maybe that's why so many of us resent immigrants.

The day we stop immigration, is the day American goes into a downward spiral and become a second rate nation. It is new blood and new ideas that make America great.

the key word here is LEGAL. Come legally and you are welcomed, come illegally and you are a criminal.

Agreed, however blindly following an immigration system that is badly broken is not the answer either. People on both sides should be speaking out about creating a system that will actually make America a better place rather than opening or closing our borders to everyone.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And let's not forget taking our jobs, keeping wages down for the jobs they didn't take, and the crime they bring with them.

Contrary to popular beliefs, legal immigrants on balance create jobs because half of the fastest growing startups in the country which now employ millions, owe their existence to immigrants. For example here are just a few of the thousands of large businesses founded by immigrants. :
Tesla
Employees 37,000

Pfizer
Employees 116,000

Panda Express
Employees 24,000

Zumba Fitness
Employees 18,000

Capital One Banking and Financial Services
Employees 45,000

Ebay
Employees 11,000

Intel
Employs 107,000

Google
Employees 58,000

SpaceX
Employees 18,000

Kohl's
Employees 140,000

Yahoo
Employees 11,000

It's estimated that there are over 1 million small business founded by immigrants with less than 50 employees employing over 10 million employees. It's estimated that the 20 million immigrants over the last 18 years are responsible for over 30 million jobs.

Does Immigration Create Jobs?
From Tesla to Pfizer: 14 major US companies founded by immigrants

I don't know if you have a point here or not. We'd be just fine with American innovation. Now if you like, I can post all the problems immigration has caused us as well. Theft, rape, murder, the billions of dollars it takes to give these people medical care, social services for their anchor babies, destruction of property and neighborhoods.

And I can respond with proof to the contrary that legal immigrants commit less crimes than native born citizens. It's not worth the time.

According to FactCheck, there is no accurate data that separates legal from illegal.

Steve King on 'Criminal Aliens' - FactCheck.org

Since people that are in the country illegally are undocumented and not about to declare themselves as such, you are correct there are no accurate statistics as to their numbers or activities. However, there are some pretty good estimates from census data. We also have fairly good data on the number of people overstaying visas but again it is an estimate. We have excellent data on legal immigrants.

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And I hate to lose a nation because we are inviting so many immigrants here who are changing our language, culture and politics.

Sorry, but I don't want to see us as a single-party government forever because we fell into this Democrat trap. Once they get unrestricted power, the great experiment will be over, and our success will only be known to our children in history books.

600,000 new immigrants (about .18% of the population) each year becoming citizens is not a lot and they're not getting control of the government. Only 20% of naturalized Americans are coming from Latin America.

You lost the nation long ago to immigrants because most all of us are immigrants, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation.

Yes we are, but we don't need immigrants any longer. They are causing more problems for this country than we can handle. I don't care what the percentage is. But since you're so good at math, what percentage of our population where the 15 hijackers that were responsible for 911?

Legal immigrants to the US are better educated, and more likely to start new businesses than native born Americans. They tend to be risk takers and are far more likely to make the sacrifices needed to live the American dream than native born Americans.

In America, we seem to forget just how lucky we are to be born in a country where we are free to do whatever we choose with our lives. Immigrants remind us of just how lucky we are and how we fail to take advantage of our freedoms. Maybe that's why so many of us resent immigrants.

The day we stop immigration, is the day American goes into a downward spiral and become a second rate nation. It is new blood and new ideas that make America great.

the key word here is LEGAL. Come legally and you are welcomed, come illegally and you are a criminal.

Agreed, however blindly following an immigration system that is badly broken is not the answer either. People on both sides should be speaking out about creating a system that will actually make America a better place rather than opening or closing our borders to everyone.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

 

[Flopper]

Contrary to popular beliefs, legal immigrants on balance create jobs because half of the fastest growing startups in the country which now employ millions, owe their existence to immigrants. For example here are just a few of the thousands of large businesses founded by immigrants. :
Tesla
Employees 37,000

Pfizer
Employees 116,000

Panda Express
Employees 24,000

Zumba Fitness
Employees 18,000

Capital One Banking and Financial Services
Employees 45,000

Ebay
Employees 11,000

Intel
Employs 107,000

Google
Employees 58,000

SpaceX
Employees 18,000

Kohl's
Employees 140,000

Yahoo
Employees 11,000

It's estimated that there are over 1 million small business founded by immigrants with less than 50 employees employing over 10 million employees. It's estimated that the 20 million immigrants over the last 18 years are responsible for over 30 million jobs.

Does Immigration Create Jobs?
From Tesla to Pfizer: 14 major US companies founded by immigrants

I don't know if you have a point here or not. We'd be just fine with American innovation. Now if you like, I can post all the problems immigration has caused us as well. Theft, rape, murder, the billions of dollars it takes to give these people medical care, social services for their anchor babies, destruction of property and neighborhoods.

And I can respond with proof to the contrary that legal immigrants commit less crimes than native born citizens. It's not worth the time.

According to FactCheck, there is no accurate data that separates legal from illegal.

Steve King on 'Criminal Aliens' - FactCheck.org

Since people that are in the country illegally are undocumented and not about to declare themselves as such, you are correct there are no accurate statistics as to their numbers or activities. However, there are some pretty good estimates from census data. We also have fairly good data on the number of people overstaying visas but again it is an estimate. We have excellent data on legal immigrants.

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

600,000 new immigrants (about .18% of the population) each year becoming citizens is not a lot and they're not getting control of the government. Only 20% of naturalized Americans are coming from Latin America.

You lost the nation long ago to immigrants because most all of us are immigrants, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation.

Yes we are, but we don't need immigrants any longer. They are causing more problems for this country than we can handle. I don't care what the percentage is. But since you're so good at math, what percentage of our population where the 15 hijackers that were responsible for 911?

Legal immigrants to the US are better educated, and more likely to start new businesses than native born Americans. They tend to be risk takers and are far more likely to make the sacrifices needed to live the American dream than native born Americans.

In America, we seem to forget just how lucky we are to be born in a country where we are free to do whatever we choose with our lives. Immigrants remind us of just how lucky we are and how we fail to take advantage of our freedoms. Maybe that's why so many of us resent immigrants.

The day we stop immigration, is the day American goes into a downward spiral and become a second rate nation. It is new blood and new ideas that make America great.

the key word here is LEGAL. Come legally and you are welcomed, come illegally and you are a criminal.

Agreed, however blindly following an immigration system that is badly broken is not the answer either. People on both sides should be speaking out about creating a system that will actually make America a better place rather than opening or closing our borders to everyone.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

 

[Dale Smith]

I don't know if you have a point here or not. We'd be just fine with American innovation. Now if you like, I can post all the problems immigration has caused us as well. Theft, rape, murder, the billions of dollars it takes to give these people medical care, social services for their anchor babies, destruction of property and neighborhoods.

And I can respond with proof to the contrary that legal immigrants commit less crimes than native born citizens. It's not worth the time.

According to FactCheck, there is no accurate data that separates legal from illegal.

Steve King on 'Criminal Aliens' - FactCheck.org

Since people that are in the country illegally are undocumented and not about to declare themselves as such, you are correct there are no accurate statistics as to their numbers or activities. However, there are some pretty good estimates from census data. We also have fairly good data on the number of people overstaying visas but again it is an estimate. We have excellent data on legal immigrants.

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

Yes we are, but we don't need immigrants any longer. They are causing more problems for this country than we can handle. I don't care what the percentage is. But since you're so good at math, what percentage of our population where the 15 hijackers that were responsible for 911?

Legal immigrants to the US are better educated, and more likely to start new businesses than native born Americans. They tend to be risk takers and are far more likely to make the sacrifices needed to live the American dream than native born Americans.

In America, we seem to forget just how lucky we are to be born in a country where we are free to do whatever we choose with our lives. Immigrants remind us of just how lucky we are and how we fail to take advantage of our freedoms. Maybe that's why so many of us resent immigrants.

The day we stop immigration, is the day American goes into a downward spiral and become a second rate nation. It is new blood and new ideas that make America great.

the key word here is LEGAL. Come legally and you are welcomed, come illegally and you are a criminal.

Agreed, however blindly following an immigration system that is badly broken is not the answer either. People on both sides should be speaking out about creating a system that will actually make America a better place rather than opening or closing our borders to everyone.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

 

[Flopper]

And I can respond with proof to the contrary that legal immigrants commit less crimes than native born citizens. It's not worth the time.

According to FactCheck, there is no accurate data that separates legal from illegal.

Steve King on 'Criminal Aliens' - FactCheck.org

Since people that are in the country illegally are undocumented and not about to declare themselves as such, you are correct there are no accurate statistics as to their numbers or activities. However, there are some pretty good estimates from census data. We also have fairly good data on the number of people overstaying visas but again it is an estimate. We have excellent data on legal immigrants.

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

Legal immigrants to the US are better educated, and more likely to start new businesses than native born Americans. They tend to be risk takers and are far more likely to make the sacrifices needed to live the American dream than native born Americans.

In America, we seem to forget just how lucky we are to be born in a country where we are free to do whatever we choose with our lives. Immigrants remind us of just how lucky we are and how we fail to take advantage of our freedoms. Maybe that's why so many of us resent immigrants.

The day we stop immigration, is the day American goes into a downward spiral and become a second rate nation. It is new blood and new ideas that make America great.

the key word here is LEGAL. Come legally and you are welcomed, come illegally and you are a criminal.

Agreed, however blindly following an immigration system that is badly broken is not the answer either. People on both sides should be speaking out about creating a system that will actually make America a better place rather than opening or closing our borders to everyone.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Your statement shows how little you know about them.

Laws that do have strong public support often do not have strong support by law enforcement and government.

 

[Dale Smith]

According to FactCheck, there is no accurate data that separates legal from illegal.

Steve King on 'Criminal Aliens' - FactCheck.org

Since people that are in the country illegally are undocumented and not about to declare themselves as such, you are correct there are no accurate statistics as to their numbers or activities. However, there are some pretty good estimates from census data. We also have fairly good data on the number of people overstaying visas but again it is an estimate. We have excellent data on legal immigrants.

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

the key word here is LEGAL. Come legally and you are welcomed, come illegally and you are a criminal.

Agreed, however blindly following an immigration system that is badly broken is not the answer either. People on both sides should be speaking out about creating a system that will actually make America a better place rather than opening or closing our borders to everyone.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Your statement shows how little you know about them.

Laws that do have strong public support often do have strong support by law enforcement.

Yeaaaah, you betcha...........you can't just come across the border and squat while bypassing the proper channels...of course leftards would LOVE for that to be the case because it's another underclass that they can cater to in exchange for their vote and undying devotion to the democratic communist party.

 

[JoeB131]

So being separated for a while is better than the violence and possible death they faced at home. I will have to chalk the outrage up to faux then.

Um, no... trying to make coming here more awful than being in a war zone is just a bad reflection on us.

Remember when America used to be a compassionate place. You know, the kind of place my grandparents could come to when they fled the Nazis?

Now we are becoming the Nazis....

 

[JoeB131]

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Or that they are unenforceable...

Yeaaaah, you betcha...........you can't just come across the border and squat while bypassing the proper channels...of course leftards would LOVE for that to be the case because it's another underclass that they can cater to in exchange for their vote and undying devotion to the democratic communist party.

Guy, Republicans want these people to cross so they can exploit the cheap labor, they just don't want them voting... so who is worse here?

 

[Redfish]

According to FactCheck, there is no accurate data that separates legal from illegal.

Steve King on 'Criminal Aliens' - FactCheck.org

Since people that are in the country illegally are undocumented and not about to declare themselves as such, you are correct there are no accurate statistics as to their numbers or activities. However, there are some pretty good estimates from census data. We also have fairly good data on the number of people overstaying visas but again it is an estimate. We have excellent data on legal immigrants.

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

the key word here is LEGAL. Come legally and you are welcomed, come illegally and you are a criminal.

Agreed, however blindly following an immigration system that is badly broken is not the answer either. People on both sides should be speaking out about creating a system that will actually make America a better place rather than opening or closing our borders to everyone.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Your statement shows how little you know about them.

Laws that do have strong public support often do not have strong support by law enforcement and government.

the vast majority of americans want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured.

 

[Flopper]

So being separated for a while is better than the violence and possible death they faced at home. I will have to chalk the outrage up to faux then.

Um, no... trying to make coming here more awful than being in a war zone is just a bad reflection on us.

Remember when America used to be a compassionate place. You know, the kind of place my grandparents could come to when they fled the Nazis?

Now we are becoming the Nazis....

Sad but that's seems to be America today. I've been around a long time and have never seen such bitterness, hate, and fingerprinting. Instead of looking for real solutions to problems we look for scapegoats, immigrants, socialist, liberals, conservatives, communists, the poor, the rich, the black, the Hispanics, the racists, the Christians, the Jews, the Muslims.....

 

[Flopper]

Since people that are in the country illegally are undocumented and not about to declare themselves as such, you are correct there are no accurate statistics as to their numbers or activities. However, there are some pretty good estimates from census data. We also have fairly good data on the number of people overstaying visas but again it is an estimate. We have excellent data on legal immigrants.

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

Agreed, however blindly following an immigration system that is badly broken is not the answer either. People on both sides should be speaking out about creating a system that will actually make America a better place rather than opening or closing our borders to everyone.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Your statement shows how little you know about them.

Laws that do have strong public support often do not have strong support by law enforcement and government.

the vast majority of americans want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured.

Which is not going to happen until we fix our laws, enforce them fairly and consistently.

If you ask Americans if they think our immigration laws should be enforced, the answer is going to be yes. However, if you ask them if they oppose or favor the deportation all illegal immigrants, the majority (66% in a recent Gallup Poll) are in opposition. If you ask them whether illegal immigrants help or hurt the nation, they are about equally divided.

Illegally immigration is firmly rooted in America culture. Over the last 75 years we have had periods off and on enforcement and that will not change without changes in our laws. The president, regulators, immigration judges, and immigration officers have a lot of discretion in enforcing the law. As long as that exists, the future is going to look a lot like the past.

 

[Redfish]

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Your statement shows how little you know about them.

Laws that do have strong public support often do not have strong support by law enforcement and government.

the vast majority of americans want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured.

Which is not going to happen until we fix our laws, enforce them fairly and consistently.

If you ask Americans if they think our immigration laws should be enforced, the answer is going to be yes. However, if you ask them if they oppose or favor the deportation all illegal immigrants, the majority (66% in a recent Gallup Poll) are in opposition. If you ask them whether illegal immigrants help or hurt the nation, they are about equally divided.

Illegally immigration is firmly rooted in America culture. Over the last 75 years we have had periods off and on enforcement and that will not change without changes in our laws. The president, regulators, immigration judges, and immigration officers have a lot of discretion in enforcing the law. As long as that exists, the future is going to look a lot like the past.

there is nothing wrong with our existing laws, except the lack of enforcement. Stop playing word games, illegal is illegal. As to the ones currently here, something needs to be done to put them at the end of the line for becoming citizens, but no benefits until they become citizens.

 

[JoeB131]

the vast majority of americans want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured.

Immigration

Let's look at that.

Please tell me whether you strongly favor, favor, oppose or strongly oppose each of the following proposals. Significantly expanding the construction of walls along the U.S.-Mexico border

41 % Favor
57% Oppose

Please tell me whether you strongly favor, favor, oppose or strongly oppose each of the following proposals. Allowing immigrants, who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children, the chance to become U.S. citizens if they meet certain requirements over a period of time.

83% Favor
15% oppose

 

[Coyote]

'My son and I can stay together, right?': Separated parents unknowingly gave up reunification rights, lawyers say


In more than a dozen testimonies provided in court Wednesday, migrant parents separated from their children at the border said they were pressured by immigration officials to sign forms waiving their reunification rights in a “coercive and misleading manner.”

The testimonies were among more than 100 pages of personal declarations compiled by attorneys who have worked closely with detained parents who were directly affected by the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy it rolled out in early May.

The declarations detail several examples in which parents were not given enough time to make sound decisions, including having “only a few minutes to decide whether or not to leave their children in the U.S.,” a decision that one lawyer’s declaration said has been done in a room of up to 50 other people.


...“[This Guatemalan father] appears to understand very little of what is happening in his case and has expressed that he is very confused. … [immigration officials] asked him to sign a form that would allow his daughter to be released to family members in the United States. He has no idea what this paper said as he is completely illiterate, and the form was in English.”

— Attorney Aaron Reichlin-Melnick said a Guatemalan man has talked with his 8-year-old daughter three times since they were separated at the border. Reichlin-Melnick wrote that the man’s Spanish is “quite limited” and speaks Akatek, an indigenous language. The attorney also noted: “Although language was a barrier when talking to him, this father was extremely clear that he wishes to be reunited with his daughter,” adding that the man was confused that he may have signed a paper that gave up his reunification rights.

“I met with five fathers who had been placed on this so-called ‘relinquishment list,’ but who told me that they did not understand the implications of what they were signing. All of the five fathers wish to be reunited with their children.”

— Attorney Luis Cruz is one of several attorneys who said in their declarations that parents who had waived reunification “in fact do want their kids back,” ACLU said in its filing. Cruz also wrote that all five detained fathers said they were not able to read or write in either Spanish or English. One said the process of signing the form lasted fewer than four minutes, and that he was not given the opportunity to talk with a lawyer beforehand. Another father said the process lasted fewer than three minutes and “said that he felt sad and intimidated during the process,” Cruz wrote...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

'My son and I can stay together, right?': Separated parents unknowingly gave up reunification rights, lawyers say


In more than a dozen testimonies provided in court Wednesday, migrant parents separated from their children at the border said they were pressured by immigration officials to sign forms waiving their reunification rights in a “coercive and misleading manner.”

The testimonies were among more than 100 pages of personal declarations compiled by attorneys who have worked closely with detained parents who were directly affected by the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy it rolled out in early May.

The declarations detail several examples in which parents were not given enough time to make sound decisions, including having “only a few minutes to decide whether or not to leave their children in the U.S.,” a decision that one lawyer’s declaration said has been done in a room of up to 50 other people.


...“[This Guatemalan father] appears to understand very little of what is happening in his case and has expressed that he is very confused. … [immigration officials] asked him to sign a form that would allow his daughter to be released to family members in the United States. He has no idea what this paper said as he is completely illiterate, and the form was in English.”

— Attorney Aaron Reichlin-Melnick said a Guatemalan man has talked with his 8-year-old daughter three times since they were separated at the border. Reichlin-Melnick wrote that the man’s Spanish is “quite limited” and speaks Akatek, an indigenous language. The attorney also noted: “Although language was a barrier when talking to him, this father was extremely clear that he wishes to be reunited with his daughter,” adding that the man was confused that he may have signed a paper that gave up his reunification rights.

“I met with five fathers who had been placed on this so-called ‘relinquishment list,’ but who told me that they did not understand the implications of what they were signing. All of the five fathers wish to be reunited with their children.”

— Attorney Luis Cruz is one of several attorneys who said in their declarations that parents who had waived reunification “in fact do want their kids back,” ACLU said in its filing. Cruz also wrote that all five detained fathers said they were not able to read or write in either Spanish or English. One said the process of signing the form lasted fewer than four minutes, and that he was not given the opportunity to talk with a lawyer beforehand. Another father said the process lasted fewer than three minutes and “said that he felt sad and intimidated during the process,” Cruz wrote...

Wow, they really should have stayed in their own country, should't they?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not according to factcheck because our prisons don't keep records of legal or illegal, just that a foreigner broke a law and was sentenced.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system.......nothing. Again, we allow over 700,000 people a year to become members of our country, and that's not counting work Visa's or green cards. The only people that say our system is broken are those that don't want to follow by the rules or those politicians that will benefit from immigrants by voting.

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Your statement shows how little you know about them.

Laws that do have strong public support often do not have strong support by law enforcement and government.

the vast majority of americans want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured.

Which is not going to happen until we fix our laws, enforce them fairly and consistently.

If you ask Americans if they think our immigration laws should be enforced, the answer is going to be yes. However, if you ask them if they oppose or favor the deportation all illegal immigrants, the majority (66% in a recent Gallup Poll) are in opposition. If you ask them whether illegal immigrants help or hurt the nation, they are about equally divided.

Illegally immigration is firmly rooted in America culture. Over the last 75 years we have had periods off and on enforcement and that will not change without changes in our laws. The president, regulators, immigration judges, and immigration officers have a lot of discretion in enforcing the law. As long as that exists, the future is going to look a lot like the past.

The one great thing about Trump is he doesn't preside according to screwed polls. He rules on what he feels and believes in.

 

[Coyote]

The only people that think our immigration system isn't broken are those that know nothing about it. The backlog in immigration court is over 250,000 cases, due primarily to the hearing process and the number of immigration issues that require a court hearing. A simple request for a 30 day visa extension generally takes two months for approval. The law allows unlimited delays of deportation. The jobs skills and education of the applicant is usually irrelevant in determining who is allowed to immigrate. The major factor used to determine who is allowed to work in the country, is not occupations, skills, or education but rather who has family in the US. We spent tens of millions of dollars on the E-Verify system and only certain government contractors are required to use it. There are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants working in the country, however the law is so weak, that only a few employers of illegals are ever brought to justice. In 2014, out 417 companies sited for hiring illegals, only 3 were fined and no one went to prison. Privacy considerations in the law, prevent ICE from keeping accurate records of who is legally in the country. Our immigration laws discourage professional people from immigrating to the US and the Visa process for critical technical skills is absolutely insane. We waste billions dollars on detention when electronic ankle collars have proven 99.8% effective. Then there are quotas that have not been adjusted in decades, Dreamers that face deportation, and asylum seeks outside the US that the law requires they violate the law to petition for asylum.

It you think there is nothing wrong with our immigration laws you either know nothing about them or you are so biased you won't admit it.

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Your statement shows how little you know about them.

Laws that do have strong public support often do not have strong support by law enforcement and government.

the vast majority of americans want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured.

Which is not going to happen until we fix our laws, enforce them fairly and consistently.

If you ask Americans if they think our immigration laws should be enforced, the answer is going to be yes. However, if you ask them if they oppose or favor the deportation all illegal immigrants, the majority (66% in a recent Gallup Poll) are in opposition. If you ask them whether illegal immigrants help or hurt the nation, they are about equally divided.

Illegally immigration is firmly rooted in America culture. Over the last 75 years we have had periods off and on enforcement and that will not change without changes in our laws. The president, regulators, immigration judges, and immigration officers have a lot of discretion in enforcing the law. As long as that exists, the future is going to look a lot like the past.

The one great thing about Trump is he doesn't preside according to screwed polls. He rules on what he feels and believes in.

What his base wants.

 

[Redfish]

The only thing "wrong" with our immigration laws is that they haven't been enforced.......

Your statement shows how little you know about them.

Laws that do have strong public support often do not have strong support by law enforcement and government.

the vast majority of americans want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured.

Which is not going to happen until we fix our laws, enforce them fairly and consistently.

If you ask Americans if they think our immigration laws should be enforced, the answer is going to be yes. However, if you ask them if they oppose or favor the deportation all illegal immigrants, the majority (66% in a recent Gallup Poll) are in opposition. If you ask them whether illegal immigrants help or hurt the nation, they are about equally divided.

Illegally immigration is firmly rooted in America culture. Over the last 75 years we have had periods off and on enforcement and that will not change without changes in our laws. The president, regulators, immigration judges, and immigration officers have a lot of discretion in enforcing the law. As long as that exists, the future is going to look a lot like the past.

The one great thing about Trump is he doesn't preside according to screwed polls. He rules on what he feels and believes in.

What his base wants.

yep, and his base is most of America, the left coast and the elite northeast snobs are NOT America. He is doing exactly what we elected him to do------------fix the mess. drain the swamp, expose the corruption of the establishment.

 

[Redfish]

'My son and I can stay together, right?': Separated parents unknowingly gave up reunification rights, lawyers say


In more than a dozen testimonies provided in court Wednesday, migrant parents separated from their children at the border said they were pressured by immigration officials to sign forms waiving their reunification rights in a “coercive and misleading manner.”

The testimonies were among more than 100 pages of personal declarations compiled by attorneys who have worked closely with detained parents who were directly affected by the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy it rolled out in early May.

The declarations detail several examples in which parents were not given enough time to make sound decisions, including having “only a few minutes to decide whether or not to leave their children in the U.S.,” a decision that one lawyer’s declaration said has been done in a room of up to 50 other people.


...“[This Guatemalan father] appears to understand very little of what is happening in his case and has expressed that he is very confused. … [immigration officials] asked him to sign a form that would allow his daughter to be released to family members in the United States. He has no idea what this paper said as he is completely illiterate, and the form was in English.”

— Attorney Aaron Reichlin-Melnick said a Guatemalan man has talked with his 8-year-old daughter three times since they were separated at the border. Reichlin-Melnick wrote that the man’s Spanish is “quite limited” and speaks Akatek, an indigenous language. The attorney also noted: “Although language was a barrier when talking to him, this father was extremely clear that he wishes to be reunited with his daughter,” adding that the man was confused that he may have signed a paper that gave up his reunification rights.

“I met with five fathers who had been placed on this so-called ‘relinquishment list,’ but who told me that they did not understand the implications of what they were signing. All of the five fathers wish to be reunited with their children.”

— Attorney Luis Cruz is one of several attorneys who said in their declarations that parents who had waived reunification “in fact do want their kids back,” ACLU said in its filing. Cruz also wrote that all five detained fathers said they were not able to read or write in either Spanish or English. One said the process of signing the form lasted fewer than four minutes, and that he was not given the opportunity to talk with a lawyer beforehand. Another father said the process lasted fewer than three minutes and “said that he felt sad and intimidated during the process,” Cruz wrote...

this started under Clinton and was continued by Bush and Obama, why are you just now pissed about it?