What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[JoeB131]

Democrat rule 127: When bad things happen under a Republican President, blame the President because he is in charge. When bad things happen under a Democrat President, blame the last Republican President because he's not in charge.

Or we just pinpoint WHEN THE BAD THING HAPPENED.

The bad thing HAPPENED in 2008. When Bush was in charge.

That's when the bad thing happened.

The same with 2001, 1990, 1982. Republicans were in charge, and their policies caused recessions.

 

[danielpalos]

Where is the right wing on Applied Capitalism? Not enough Socialism on a National basis for the Right Wing.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The one percent? I thought it was Bush's fault according to you.

Or maybe the reason is they weren't responsible enough to prepare for the future.

Quite the contrary... they did everything they were supposed to do... and got screwed anyway.

as I said, in 2008 I looked at my busted 401K and my underwater mortgage, and watched the Government bail out the One percenters..

Funny how that works.

But make sure you keep hating the darkies, stupid. that's what they want you to do.

You mean it wasn't a darkie who did some of that bailing out to keep the union vote?

I'd be willing to bet most Americans that were of retirement age in 2008 never had any retirement plan.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Democrat rule 127: When bad things happen under a Republican President, blame the President because he is in charge. When bad things happen under a Democrat President, blame the last Republican President because he's not in charge.

Or we just pinpoint WHEN THE BAD THING HAPPENED.

The bad thing HAPPENED in 2008. When Bush was in charge.

That's when the bad thing happened.

The same with 2001, 1990, 1982. Republicans were in charge, and their policies caused recessions.

You forget, all the bad things that happened in DumBama's two terms were blamed on Bush. You only gave credit to DumBama when the one or two good things happened while he was stinking up the white house.

 

[kaz]

You asked for countries with extreme wealth classes and everyone else is in poverty and cut that from the quote, dipshit. That is the goal you're fighting for. You're OK with it happening now.

No, what I'm pointing out to you is that when most people don't benefit from a system, they are okay with burning it down, which is what happened in all those countries I listed. Whether or not the people who took over later were worse (almost all of them were, BTW) was not relevant to the point you missed.

40% of the country has less than 1% of the wealth. 1% of the population has 43% of the wealth... That's a recipe for disaster.

Your Gods like Hillary and Obama become massively wealthy and you don't even care when they take bribes, steal and give nothing to charity. That while the rest of us end up in endlessly slow economic and wage growth.

Actually, not the least bit relevant to the argument I was making. And you guys have been trying to prove Hillary took Bribes for 30 years. How is that going? I mean she must be a fucking criminal mastermind if she's been doing it for 30 years and has never been caught with millions spent investigating her.

You're fighting FOR a system of a massive wealth class and the rest of us in poverty. You're just not very smart, you buy the Marxist rhetoric their populations fell for absolutely

I think you are a bit deluded here... I don't advocate Marxism.

What I'd like to see. What America had in the 1950's and 1960's. The rich paid confiscatory taxes, working people belonged to unions. The wealth was fairly distributed. It worked really well until Republicans fucked it up, like they always do.

Marxism is the system of a massively wealthy class and everyone else in poverty you say you oppose, yet you support Democrat leaders having that system now. You're fine with your politicians cheating, stealing, lying and committing crimes to become wealthy as long as they give you socialism and equal to all poverty. That you support the system you say you oppose is not irrelevant to your point, it's the heart of your point. How stupid are you?

 

[JoeB131]

You mean it wasn't a darkie who did some of that bailing out to keep the union vote?

I'd be willing to bet most Americans that were of retirement age in 2008 never had any retirement plan.

Oh, I'm sure a lot of them did, but it involved cashing intheir 401K's which were worthless at that point.

The Big Banks and Wall Street did fine. Working folks got screwed... which is how Republican Governance worked.


And of course, when Obama made sure the Autoworkers were taken care of before the vultures who wanted to pick the corpse of GM clean, this was the worst thing ever to you, being a battered housewife Republican who just loves to take his beating from the One Percent.

 

[JoeB131]

You forget, all the bad things that happened in DumBama's two terms were blamed on Bush. You only gave credit to DumBama when the one or two good things happened while he was stinking up the white house.

All the bad stuff that happened in Obama's term WERE Bush's fault. Bush handed Obama the worst recession in 80 years and two completely pointless wars...

Marxism is the system of a massively wealthy class and everyone else in poverty you say you oppose,

Um.. no, it isn't... you fail basic political science.

You're fine with your politicians cheating, stealing, lying and committing crimes to become wealthy as long as they give you socialism and equal to all poverty.

I'm not fine with that... but again, you have spent, how much money investigating the Clintons for Crimes... and you found out that after spending 70 million dollars that he lied about a blow job and she used the wrong email. OH MY GOD, MASTER CRIMINALS!!!

Here's the thing... I would LOVE to get the economy from the 1990's back (not this shit we have now and call prosperity, because it isn't), and I really don't care how many blow jobs he lies about or what kind off email server she uses.

That you support the system you say you oppose is not irrelevant to your point, it's the heart of your point. How stupid are you?

Smart enough to pay attention to the conversation and call things by their right names.

Again- What I want is what my Dad had. A good paying union job where the union had his back, even if he got sick (which he did.) If you want to call that "Marxism", have at it... I'd call it common decency.

 

[kaz]

You forget, all the bad things that happened in DumBama's two terms were blamed on Bush. You only gave credit to DumBama when the one or two good things happened while he was stinking up the white house.

All the bad stuff that happened in Obama's term WERE Bush's fault. Bush handed Obama the worst recession in 80 years and two completely pointless wars...

Marxism is the system of a massively wealthy class and everyone else in poverty you say you oppose,

Um.. no, it isn't... you fail basic political science.

You're fine with your politicians cheating, stealing, lying and committing crimes to become wealthy as long as they give you socialism and equal to all poverty.

I'm not fine with that... but again, you have spent, how much money investigating the Clintons for Crimes... and you found out that after spending 70 million dollars that he lied about a blow job and she used the wrong email. OH MY GOD, MASTER CRIMINALS!!!

Here's the thing... I would LOVE to get the economy from the 1990's back (not this shit we have now and call prosperity, because it isn't), and I really don't care how many blow jobs he lies about or what kind off email server she uses.

That you support the system you say you oppose is not irrelevant to your point, it's the heart of your point. How stupid are you?

Smart enough to pay attention to the conversation and call things by their right names.

Again- What I want is what my Dad had. A good paying union job where the union had his back, even if he got sick (which he did.) If you want to call that "Marxism", have at it... I'd call it common decency.

You need to stop believing the Marxism marketing materials and look at the reality. There's a long history of Marxist history, Joe. That you think after everyone else who tried it failed yet it will succeed here is the empty headed socialist that you are

 

[JoeB131]

You need to stop believing the Marxism marketing materials and look at the reality. There's a long history of Marxist history, Joe. That you think after everyone else who tried it failed yet it will succeed here is the empty headed socialist that you are

Guy, you think that Social Security is "Marxist", but it works just fine.

What we have is a long history of awful people doing awful things under all sorts of systems, and spectacular economic failures.

But since no one here was arguing for Marxism, what is your point?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

All the bad stuff that happened in Obama's term WERE Bush's fault.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[kaz]

You need to stop believing the Marxism marketing materials and look at the reality. There's a long history of Marxist history, Joe. That you think after everyone else who tried it failed yet it will succeed here is the empty headed socialist that you are

Guy, you think that Social Security is "Marxist", but it works just fine.

What we have is a long history of awful people doing awful things under all sorts of systems, and spectacular economic failures.

But since no one here was arguing for Marxism, what is your point?

Marxists never admit what you are. But as I've pointed out, you not only support socialism, but you support one party rule, including allowing your Gods who lead your party to become the wealthy and rich ruling class you say you oppose by lying, cheating and stealing the money while you just don't give a shit because they promise the rest of us will all have nothing, which makes us equal!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean it wasn't a darkie who did some of that bailing out to keep the union vote?

I'd be willing to bet most Americans that were of retirement age in 2008 never had any retirement plan.

Oh, I'm sure a lot of them did, but it involved cashing intheir 401K's which were worthless at that point.

The Big Banks and Wall Street did fine. Working folks got screwed... which is how Republican Governance worked.


And of course, when Obama made sure the Autoworkers were taken care of before the vultures who wanted to pick the corpse of GM clean, this was the worst thing ever to you, being a battered housewife Republican who just loves to take his beating from the One Percent.

You have no idea WTF you're talking about. If government didn't get involved, GM would have went to bankruptcy court and settled matters that way. They've done it before. So don't act like government came to the rescue. The only reason we got involved is because of all those union workers to keep votes coming in.

 

[danielpalos]

Nothing but repeal or simple rejection really really is worthless in the non-porn sector, right wingers.

Why allege y'all are for Capitalism, when you prefer socialism on a national basis?

We should be making one thousand dollars times the number of foreign nationals who want to tour our political-economy.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on public policies.

don't spam us with your usual whinery, right wingers; we want better solutions at lower cost from the right wing.

 

[kaz]

You mean it wasn't a darkie who did some of that bailing out to keep the union vote?

I'd be willing to bet most Americans that were of retirement age in 2008 never had any retirement plan.

Oh, I'm sure a lot of them did, but it involved cashing intheir 401K's which were worthless at that point.

The Big Banks and Wall Street did fine. Working folks got screwed... which is how Republican Governance worked.


And of course, when Obama made sure the Autoworkers were taken care of before the vultures who wanted to pick the corpse of GM clean, this was the worst thing ever to you, being a battered housewife Republican who just loves to take his beating from the One Percent.

You have no idea WTF you're talking about. If government didn't get involved, GM would have went to bankruptcy court and settled matters that way. They've done it before. So don't act like government came to the rescue. The only reason we got involved is because of all those union workers to keep votes coming in.

Yep, that's exactly why they did it. GM would have been able to break union contracts in bankruptcy court. Government sure the fuck didn't do it to help GM, they screwed GM, they're still stuck with those bad contracts

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean it wasn't a darkie who did some of that bailing out to keep the union vote?

I'd be willing to bet most Americans that were of retirement age in 2008 never had any retirement plan.

Oh, I'm sure a lot of them did, but it involved cashing intheir 401K's which were worthless at that point.

The Big Banks and Wall Street did fine. Working folks got screwed... which is how Republican Governance worked.


And of course, when Obama made sure the Autoworkers were taken care of before the vultures who wanted to pick the corpse of GM clean, this was the worst thing ever to you, being a battered housewife Republican who just loves to take his beating from the One Percent.

You have no idea WTF you're talking about. If government didn't get involved, GM would have went to bankruptcy court and settled matters that way. They've done it before. So don't act like government came to the rescue. The only reason we got involved is because of all those union workers to keep votes coming in.

Yep, that's exactly why they did it. GM would have been able to break union contracts in bankruptcy court. Government sure the fuck didn't do it to help GM, they screwed GM, they're still stuck with those bad contracts

Sure, because a judge gets to make the decision on what the company has to do in order to rectify the problem. And you are correct, it probably would have involved the union in one way or another.