What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[kaz]

Every race becomes more conservative as they become wealthier. That's why you work so hard to keep them poor

Again, buddy... my income has always gone up when Democrats were in charge and it goes down when Republicans are in charge... so who is keeping people poor again?

Your bad attitude is keeping you poor. That's why I fired you. Your coworkers were so happy you were gone they became more productive and I didn't even need to replace you. They literally told me their jobs were easier when you left.

People with your attitude you suck the life of of everyone around you

 

[Cellblock2429]

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $17, not $15. They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them

/——/ I was a sales rep for Procter & Gamble in the 1980s And was always 110% of quota or better. But since it was a salaried position, I made the same money as the guy at 95% of quota which was the minimum to keep their job. There was also their refusal for cost of living adjustments. I live on Long Island and made the same as the rep in Arkansas. He actually had a higher standard of living than me. So I switched to commissioned sales and doubled my income within 6 months. Hated leaving P&G.

 

[kaz]

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

So let me get this straight.

Assuring people make a minimum wage is bad because it's counter-intuitive to not let the Capitalist cheat people at every turn...

But we totally need to stop illegal aliens from coming here to take the jobs that Capitalist want to cheat white people on.

You're working too hard to make it about race, it's just making whatever point you're trying to make all the more obfuscated

 

[Pop23]

Every race becomes more conservative as they become wealthier. That's why you work so hard to keep them poor

Again, buddy... my income has always gone up when Democrats were in charge and it goes down when Republicans are in charge... so who is keeping people poor again?

A resume writers income would naturally go up when the economy is bad.

What the hell did you just admit? The economy is bad when Democrats are in charge? Duh

 

[HappyJoy]

There's a difference between quoting, and direct quoting. No one ever claimed it was a direct quote.

And he didn't make a mistake. He made a joke. You're just pissy because he made it at your expense, and you think having a stick-up-your-ass grammatical argument will somehow make you look less foolish. We could have moved on several post ago, if you hadn't been wasting our time trying to "win". (See, there are the quotes you wanted. You're welcome.)

I'm not pissy. I didn't want to have this big discussion about it. I just made a passing comment. No offense intended.

Now would everyone get off my case?

Not you, dear. Happy.

At some point bripat should have asked himself, WTF, I'm arguing on HappyJoy's side, obviously I'm completely lost. But he didn't, he continued to be HJ's nut sack

I have plenty problems with Bripat, but I have to give him credit, he's more knowledgeable than you and like it or not Bripat I want to say thank you.

Kaz, may you shut the **** up for a change, be humble and learn something:]

https://www.google.com/search?q=sic.....69i57j0l5.3032j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

sic
sik/
adverb

1. used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child's interest and “enrich his [sic ] life.”.

You didn't quote or copy what I had stated, illiterate prick.

Ouch, Bripat defends you and you slam him. Nice job.

You have reading comprehension problems.

Sic can be a direct quote or not. It can be used for anything that sounds awkward or not right. You are citing one use of sic. It's hilarious that you didn't get the joke. Cecile did, she kept trying to explain it to you to no avail.

Show me the use of sic when it's not a direct quote, numbnuts. Because you didn't quote me, you mischaracterized my post.

How many times did they tell you this in special ed? Dude, this is't that hard? How can you possibly not get it?

I can't believe how dumb you are and you're quadrupling down now.

 

[HappyJoy]

its just like the 'anchor baby' deal , mexicans drop an anchor baby and they have the Americans by the nutz . This variation of the mexican taking their kids to the border is , as i say just a variation of dropping an anchor baby . -------------------- as the mexican cries and says , you can't separate 'mamasitas' and widdle mexicans Coyote .

We can have another debate about birthright citizenship, this is another matter altogether so maybe stick to the topic.

No, no we can't.

So long as there is no border wall, the decision has already been made. They have the rights of a citizen but don't have to pay taxes.

Said nobody.

 

[kaz]

I'm not pissy. I didn't want to have this big discussion about it. I just made a passing comment. No offense intended.

Now would everyone get off my case?

Not you, dear. Happy.

At some point bripat should have asked himself, WTF, I'm arguing on HappyJoy's side, obviously I'm completely lost. But he didn't, he continued to be HJ's nut sack

I have plenty problems with Bripat, but I have to give him credit, he's more knowledgeable than you and like it or not Bripat I want to say thank you.

Kaz, may you shut the **** up for a change, be humble and learn something:]

https://www.google.com/search?q=sic.....69i57j0l5.3032j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

sic
sik/
adverb

1. used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child's interest and “enrich his [sic ] life.”.

You didn't quote or copy what I had stated, illiterate prick.

Ouch, Bripat defends you and you slam him. Nice job.

You have reading comprehension problems.

Sic can be a direct quote or not. It can be used for anything that sounds awkward or not right. You are citing one use of sic. It's hilarious that you didn't get the joke. Cecile did, she kept trying to explain it to you to no avail.

Show me the use of sic when it's not a direct quote, numbnuts. Because you didn't quote me, you mischaracterized my post.

How many times did they tell you this in special ed? Dude, this is't that hard? How can you possibly not get it?

I can't believe how dumb you are and you're quadrupling down now.

Dude, it was a joke, it was clear. You just have a stick up your ass because the joke was at your expense. You're just doubling down on stupid.

As your special ed teacher kept telling you, this isn't that hard, even for you

 

[danielpalos]

Every race becomes more conservative as they become wealthier. That's why you work so hard to keep them poor

Again, buddy... my income has always gone up when Democrats were in charge and it goes down when Republicans are in charge... so who is keeping people poor again?

/——/ Poverty has little to do with a lack of money. It’s a state of mind and poor money management skills. Try reading this: Does money management matter if you're poor?

We see the same thing in public policy decisions. Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are simply right wing "feel good" programs.

 

[HappyJoy]

Not you, dear. Happy.

At some point bripat should have asked himself, WTF, I'm arguing on HappyJoy's side, obviously I'm completely lost. But he didn't, he continued to be HJ's nut sack

I have plenty problems with Bripat, but I have to give him credit, he's more knowledgeable than you and like it or not Bripat I want to say thank you.

Kaz, may you shut the **** up for a change, be humble and learn something:]

https://www.google.com/search?q=sic.....69i57j0l5.3032j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

sic
sik/
adverb

1. used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child's interest and “enrich his [sic ] life.”.

You didn't quote or copy what I had stated, illiterate prick.

Ouch, Bripat defends you and you slam him. Nice job.

You have reading comprehension problems.

Sic can be a direct quote or not. It can be used for anything that sounds awkward or not right. You are citing one use of sic. It's hilarious that you didn't get the joke. Cecile did, she kept trying to explain it to you to no avail.

Show me the use of sic when it's not a direct quote, numbnuts. Because you didn't quote me, you mischaracterized my post.

How many times did they tell you this in special ed? Dude, this is't that hard? How can you possibly not get it?

I can't believe how dumb you are and you're quadrupling down now.

Dude, it was a joke, it was clear. You just have a stick up your ass because the joke was at your expense. You're just doubling down on stupid.

As your special ed teacher kept telling you, this isn't that hard, even for you

Ah, now it's a joke. OK, I accept your concession.

 

[danielpalos]

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is to adjust for cost of living and cost of social services.

The inflation canard won't work, since the right wing is not whining about price inflation for fuel.

 

[kaz]

At some point bripat should have asked himself, WTF, I'm arguing on HappyJoy's side, obviously I'm completely lost. But he didn't, he continued to be HJ's nut sack

I have plenty problems with Bripat, but I have to give him credit, he's more knowledgeable than you and like it or not Bripat I want to say thank you.

Kaz, may you shut the **** up for a change, be humble and learn something:]

https://www.google.com/search?q=sic.....69i57j0l5.3032j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

sic
sik/
adverb

1. used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child's interest and “enrich his [sic ] life.”.

You didn't quote or copy what I had stated, illiterate prick.

Ouch, Bripat defends you and you slam him. Nice job.

You have reading comprehension problems.

Sic can be a direct quote or not. It can be used for anything that sounds awkward or not right. You are citing one use of sic. It's hilarious that you didn't get the joke. Cecile did, she kept trying to explain it to you to no avail.

Show me the use of sic when it's not a direct quote, numbnuts. Because you didn't quote me, you mischaracterized my post.

How many times did they tell you this in special ed? Dude, this is't that hard? How can you possibly not get it?

I can't believe how dumb you are and you're quadrupling down now.

Dude, it was a joke, it was clear. You just have a stick up your ass because the joke was at your expense. You're just doubling down on stupid.

As your special ed teacher kept telling you, this isn't that hard, even for you

Ah, now it's a joke. OK, I accept your concession.

Cecile explained that to you long ago.

You're so smart (sic)

 

[Cellblock2429]

I'm not pissy. I didn't want to have this big discussion about it. I just made a passing comment. No offense intended.

Now would everyone get off my case?

Not you, dear. Happy.

At some point bripat should have asked himself, WTF, I'm arguing on HappyJoy's side, obviously I'm completely lost. But he didn't, he continued to be HJ's nut sack

I have plenty problems with Bripat, but I have to give him credit, he's more knowledgeable than you and like it or not Bripat I want to say thank you.

Kaz, may you shut the **** up for a change, be humble and learn something:]

https://www.google.com/search?q=sic.....69i57j0l5.3032j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

sic
sik/
adverb

1. used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child's interest and “enrich his [sic ] life.”.

You didn't quote or copy what I had stated, illiterate prick.

Ouch, Bripat defends you and you slam him. Nice job.

You have reading comprehension problems.

Sic can be a direct quote or not. It can be used for anything that sounds awkward or not right. You are citing one use of sic. It's hilarious that you didn't get the joke. Cecile did, she kept trying to explain it to you to no avail.

Show me the use of sic when it's not a direct quote, numbnuts. Because you didn't quote me, you mischaracterized my post.

How many times did they tell you this in special ed? Dude, this is't that hard? How can you possibly not get it?

I can't believe how dumb you are and you're quadrupling down now.

/-----/ Now that we have debated (sic) to death, can we next argue:
Pilcrow

The pilcrow (¶) is the poster child of abandoned punctuation marks. With roots in ancient Greece, the pilcrow started life during the fourth century BC as the paragraphos, a horizontal line drawn in the margin of many a papyrus scroll to indicate that something of interest lay in the corresponding line. The reader was left to determine precisely what that something was.

Evolving over the centuries into its modern reverse-P shape, the paragraphos came to be used to break texts into meaningful chunks such as paragraphs and sentences. With this duty came the trappings of its elevated role, and pilcrows were often separately inked in eye-catching colored ink. When the printing press arrived and the volume of new books skyrocketed, the spaces left for the pilcrow often went unfilled, and from the pilcrow’s ashes arose the indented paragraph.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is to adjust for cost of living and cost of social services.

The inflation canard won't work, since the right wing is not whining about price inflation for fuel.

/----/ Increase in the minimum wage is one of the causes of higher fuel cost since wage increases affect the cost of doing business. BTW here's another contributing factor of the price of gas: OPEC ministers agree to raise oil production but don't say by how much

 

[bripat9643]

There's a difference between quoting, and direct quoting. No one ever claimed it was a direct quote.

And he didn't make a mistake. He made a joke. You're just pissy because he made it at your expense, and you think having a stick-up-your-ass grammatical argument will somehow make you look less foolish. We could have moved on several post ago, if you hadn't been wasting our time trying to "win". (See, there are the quotes you wanted. You're welcome.)

I'm not pissy. I didn't want to have this big discussion about it. I just made a passing comment. No offense intended.

Now would everyone get off my case?

Not you, dear. Happy.

At some point bripat should have asked himself, WTF, I'm arguing on HappyJoy's side, obviously I'm completely lost. But he didn't, he continued to be HJ's nut sack

I have plenty problems with Bripat, but I have to give him credit, he's more knowledgeable than you and like it or not Bripat I want to say thank you.

Kaz, may you shut the **** up for a change, be humble and learn something:]

https://www.google.com/search?q=sic.....69i57j0l5.3032j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

sic
sik/
adverb

1. used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child's interest and “enrich his [sic ] life.”.

You didn't quote or copy what I had stated, illiterate prick.

Ouch, Bripat defends you and you slam him. Nice job.

Sic can be a direct quote or not. It can be used for anything that sounds awkward or not right. You are citing one use of sic. It's hilarious that you didn't get the joke. Cecile did, she kept trying to explain it to you to no avail.

How many times did they tell you this in special ed? Dude, this is't that hard? How can you possibly not get it?

HappyJoy never gets the point, no matter how many times you explain it. Pretending to be brain damaged is his favorite tactic.

 

[bripat9643]

Except these people aren't looking for welfare. They are willing to do the jobs the welfare collecting white trash in the trailer parks aren't willing to do.

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

That's also why the government supports an inflationary monetary policy. Minimum wage increases result in higher unemployment. One way to reduce that effect is to inflate the value of the increase away.

 

[bripat9643]

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them

Prices increase as a result of deliberate monetary policy designed to inflate the wage increases away. If that weren't done, then the effect of minimum wage increases would be higher unemployment.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

So let me get this straight.

Assuring people make a minimum wage is bad because it's counter-intuitive to not let the Capitalist cheat people at every turn...

But we totally need to stop illegal aliens from coming here to take the jobs that Capitalist want to cheat white people on.

You're working too hard to make it about race, it's just making whatever point you're trying to make all the more obfuscated

You could say "good morning how are you?" to Joe and he'd find a way to make it about race. He would make the claim that the morning brings the sun out and that gets rid of the dark.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Correct, because there are no able bodied minorities that aren't taking those jobs either.

So if the problem is welfare, your solution is immigrants. Typical leftist thinking all the way. Don't address the real problem, just create another problem to deal with the first one.

Let capitalism do the work. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

/——-/ A minimum wage is counter intuitive to capitalism. It smacks of socialism

It also doesn't work.

Increase the minimum wage -> drives up other salaries -> drives up prices -> low end workers want more pay
^ -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

/——/ Many Union contracts are tied to the minimum wage. If it goes up $1 then their Union pay automatically increases $1. That’s why Union thugs support higher minimum wages.

Very true. And yes, unions do for that reason.

But it's way beyond that. If you pay someone worth $10 more than that, say $15, what happens to people worth $12? You need to pay them $18, not $15. Note it's not $17 either you have to pay them proportionally more, not nominally more.

They are worth more because they work a little harder, smarter, more reliably. If you pay someone less worth less, they will become unmotivated. Minimum wage is like a ripple in a pond up the wage scale.

Then as I pointed out, it's a vicious cycle. We increased pay but not value of employees, so prices have to go up to compensate for the wage increases. Then the low end needs a raise to pay them. Raising the minimum wage increases cost, it does not increase value. We solved nothing.

And the bad part for low end employees is that jobs were shed along the way. Companies looked at every option, including staff reductions, automation, process design along the way. Leftist policies are about making people feel good while you screw them

"People have told me that getting ahead only leaves others behind. That's the point of getting ahead. If we all moved ahead the same distance at the same time, then nobody gets ahead."
Brian Kimeade

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

...It appears that over the last 200 years those tired, poor, and handle masses entering this nation and have built the greatest nation on earth. Can't argue with success.

Entirely true. Trouble is, we're full-up...we don't need any more than we already have, and there is no point in intentionally overcrowding ourselves until we attain $hithole status.

I don't know where this concept by the left came from that we always need to increase our population. Wasn't it just a few years ago they were on the rampage of over populating the earth and we need more birth control?

These people just can't make up their minds.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes brainiac, socialism has no place in capatialist societies. It’s not the Gubmint’s job to asssure anything except Life. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, if you want or need a higher salary get the skills required for a better job or move to where better paying jobs are located like I did at the age of 20.

But you have NO PROBLEM with gubmint putting kids in cages so their parents won't take your job by being willing to work for less money.

Sorry, man, during the last recession, we had Adjunct professors on food stamps and airline pilot selling their blood plasma... or as the Capitalists liked to call it, "The Good Old days"