What have the poor done to deserve our support?

[sealybobo]

I hate the poor because they either don't show up to vote or because of god, gays or guns they think they are republicans.

The GOP used racism and the southern strategy to win the south. And then Reagan made a deal with the southern evangelicals and the poor south vote red every time. Dummies.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And where did Jesus call for forced support thru government over voluntary charity from one's own heart??

For in this country you are free to be generous and nobody stops you... and if you are indeed a miserly and selfish person, you also have the freedom to be such... and nobody has the right, even the government, to force them to support others

He said love your neighbor and take care of the sick and poor. That's what our government is doing.

We are all in this together.

Idiot...

Again... Jesus never called for the forced confiscation from others

Actually Jesus' admonishment was to pay your taxes.

But by your own measure, it's forced confiscation that causes me to pay for the portion of defense spending that I don't support.

 

[rightwinger]

And where did Jesus call for forced support thru government over voluntary charity from one's own heart??

For in this country you are free to be generous and nobody stops you... and if you are indeed a miserly and selfish person, you also have the freedom to be such... and nobody has the right, even the government, to force them to support others

He said love your neighbor and take care of the sick and poor. That's what our government is doing.

We are all in this together.

Idiot...

Again... Jesus never called for the forced confiscation from others

Our government is not 'taking care of the sick and poor', they are throwing money at the problem... money that is being taken for forced charity

This is not some hippie commune where 'everyone is in this together'.. this is a nation based on freedoms and the protection of those freedoms.. among which is the freedom to succeed that goes hand in hand with the freedom to fail

While I whole heartedly call for people to support charities for causes that speak to them personally... in NO way should any charity or support be forced thru government and taxation... such things are exactly why we have the multi-tendrilled leviathan, hungry for power, that we have now... which is crippling our country

Charity is limited in what they can do for the poor. They always have been. In good times, they are flush with funds and do not have as many people to help. In hard times, their funding dries up and they have more people asking for help.

The Government is always there for those in need. Not just with food and shelter but with healthcare, educational support, jobs programs......things that charity does not provide

 

[sealybobo]

BFS, Dickhead. I served 23 yrs in the USN and I came from an upper middle class family. While there is a percentage of the poor, most of the people I've met in the Military came from the Middle Class. negged for being stupid.

In times of piece, when the number of soldiers enlisted is lower, the army will only take the best and the brightest. During war, they go right after the poor. They were so deperate during the Iraq/Afganistan war that they took ex cons and sometimes even convicts in exchange for early release.

Since I was in during the war, please provide proof.

You don't know this occured? What war were you in? Because this didn't happen during the Kosovo or Iraq 1 war. Those were quick and decisive victories. But during Iraq/Afgan, our military was dangerously close to being broken. How many tours did you have to make? Remember when they were sending you guys back 5, 6 and 7 times? They were also taking anyone they could get. I read stories and knew a few friends who would have never been accepted if we weren't spread so thin. And they were getting HUGE signing bonus', college tuition, etc.

It doesn't surprise me you don't know this because for one, they don't tell soldiers this kind of stuff. Why would they? Bad for moral.

And of course you didn't hear this from the Corporate/Mainstream media. They helped Bush lie us into Iraq. Why would they start telling the truth 4 or 14 years later?

 

[Contumacious]

I wonder how many church going conservatives withhold contributions to their churches on the grounds that they don't want to be a party to perpetuating poverty and making the poor dependent on their nanny church?

Mr Dumb Ass, Sir:

You have the right to VOLUNTARILY help whomever you - not government bureaucrats - choose.

.

 

[Intense]

You should ask all the Christian Churches who give millions to the poor in one form or another.

If the poor do not deserve such charity, then Christianity is a religion with a very serious fundamental flaw...

...to the point, perhaps of being an enabler of sloth and irresponsibility.

Exactly, when it is corrupted by Socialist Influence, exactly. Great point. Spot on.

I wonder how many church going conservatives withhold contributions to their churches on the grounds that they don't want to be a party to perpetuating poverty and making the poor dependent on their nanny church?

My experience with Churches is the exact opposite of what you project. Your projection is lame. The USA is number one in World Charities.

 

[Intense]

I wonder how many church going conservatives withhold contributions to their churches on the grounds that they don't want to be a party to perpetuating poverty and making the poor dependent on their nanny church?

Mr Dumb Ass, Sir:

You have the right to VOLUNTARILY help whomever you - not government bureaucrats - choose.

.

I bet he is a poor Tipper too.

 

[Full-Auto]

Think about what you go along with:

Free but not fair trade
Pollution
Paris Hilton and Shell Oil pay no taxes and you pay 35%
Citizens United
Deregulations to the banks, wallstreet, mortgage industry,
Lied us into a war
Hiring Illegals. Remember Jobs Americans Won't Do? I didn't.
Lowering wages/Breaking Unions. Why? Don't you like 40 hour work weeks and sick days?

Why, because of God Gays or Guns? Or have they convinced you we are socialists because we are pro union/labor? That's the middle class buddy.

I dont know how to answer with so many assumptions and projections.

You dont have a clue to my views.

Let me help you out, because you people seem to believe collecting that extra 70 billion a year will stop the trillion and half deficit. That deserves mocking. But hey Obama found 300k a year and its the first time democrats didnt immediately aim at heating for the poor.

Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

Get up to speed dreamer................

How would you solve the debt problem?

Allowing corporations and the rich to not pay their fair share certainly isn't the way. Or lying us into the Iraq war and paying for it with borrowed money.

And why when they were in power did the GOP pass tax breaks for companies sending jobs overseas? Is it because our government now works for the corporations instead of the people? Citizens United would suggest so.

The GOP are only cutting spending on things that help the poor and middle class. Drop in the bucket but making America a much worse place than it was before. Eliminating safety nets during a time when you caused a great recession? And the rich have never been richer? And you think they need more tax breaks?

History repeats itself. This happned in 1948 and before the Great Recession. And most Americans don't realize they are brainwashed through Fox and Rush and Drudge. The media has been taken over but they've brainwashed you for 30 years by telling you its the liberal media. Its only as liberal as they want it to be.

A lot of straw in that rant.

How would I solve the problem? Too many to list really but we start with restructure of government. That alone covers up to 400 billion a year in redundant services.

Now as far as other cuts. Lets remeber our broke entitlement system, SS is broke. Democrats made it law to put this money into the general fund and that SS be made a budget item.

Should I thank you or kick you?

 

[sealybobo]

What have the poor done to deserve our support?

Don't talk to me. Talk to your "Jesus".

The only problem with your point is that you have not yet learned to distinguish between Charity and Forced Compliance. Learn to give voluntarily, from your Heart RD.

Now give me your wallet, with everything in it. Give me a big smile and a hug too.

There is no material difference to the poor person whether his handout came from a voluntary contribution or as you call it 'forced'. It has the same effect on him, and thus if you believe conservative propaganda, it makes him lazy and dependent.

BTW, since government social programs are democratically created, it is only a fraction of the people who pay for them who have any cause to call them 'forced'.

Whether you are right or wrong, there will always be poor people. Capitalism counts on it.

So we all agree the poor are needed.

My problem with GOP policies is that their way is making middle class people poor and poor people poorer.

Its Darwin, survival of the fittest, every man for himself. Divide and concur.

Or the Democratic way where we are all in this together.

So no, don't give corporations tax breaks for sending jobs overseas. I don't care how much they donate to our campaign Mr. Senator or Mr. President. Every other country protects its vital industry except America. Why?

Because American workers make too much money. In a completely free unregulated market, the international corporations will go make it in China and ship it back home.

Free trade has to be balanced and fair. Every other country does it right. I wonder why America doesn't do it right? Oh yea, they want to break the unions and the middle class and along with it, the Democratic party.

But no worries. Obama will win re election and the Dems will take back the House.

 

[sealybobo]

I dont know how to answer with so many assumptions and projections.

You dont have a clue to my views.

Let me help you out, because you people seem to believe collecting that extra 70 billion a year will stop the trillion and half deficit. That deserves mocking. But hey Obama found 300k a year and its the first time democrats didnt immediately aim at heating for the poor.

Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

Get up to speed dreamer................

How would you solve the debt problem?

Allowing corporations and the rich to not pay their fair share certainly isn't the way. Or lying us into the Iraq war and paying for it with borrowed money.

And why when they were in power did the GOP pass tax breaks for companies sending jobs overseas? Is it because our government now works for the corporations instead of the people? Citizens United would suggest so.

The GOP are only cutting spending on things that help the poor and middle class. Drop in the bucket but making America a much worse place than it was before. Eliminating safety nets during a time when you caused a great recession? And the rich have never been richer? And you think they need more tax breaks?

History repeats itself. This happned in 1948 and before the Great Recession. And most Americans don't realize they are brainwashed through Fox and Rush and Drudge. The media has been taken over but they've brainwashed you for 30 years by telling you its the liberal media. Its only as liberal as they want it to be.

A lot of straw in that rant.

How would I solve the problem? Too many to list really but we start with restructure of government. That alone covers up to 400 billion a year in redundant services.

Now as far as other cuts. Lets remeber our broke entitlement system, SS is broke. Democrats made it law to put this money into the general fund and that SS be made a budget item.

Should I thank you or kick you?

They broke SS. It wasn't broken before they purposely broke it. And now they want to end it or privatize it? How about put it back to what it was before. Didn't Bush tap into SS to pay for the Bush tax cuts? End the Bush tax cuts and first order is to put all that money back into SS where they found it.

Clinton tapped into it too. Lock box. Remember that discussion in 1999? LOL.

 

[sealybobo]

Also notice how they attacked SS. They didn't put it up for debate and vote on it as a single issue. Whever they have tried, they have failed. So instead the GOP house tried to force/sneak cuts to ss on us via the Debt ceiling debate.

Get this straight. The GOP purposely bankupted the government in order to push their radical agenda.

Now is the time to bring all those corporations back home and make them pay their fair share and see how we aren't broke anymore. That will mean jobs and then those people will pay taxes too.

And if corporations continue to hire illegals, then we must make them citizens so we can start collecting taxes. America has two signs. HELP WANTED and get out. Notice one's bigger than the other?

And maybe let the Bush tax breaks end too. They were never supposed to be permenant. And if you really care about the debt/deficit, then you can't be so firm on no tax increases. Pledge to Grover Norquist or not.

Besides Ron Paul, I want to see one politician talk about the DEBT. Not the Deficit. Big difference.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Clearly we need the poor to have money in their pockets so they can buy our goods and services.

And the rich use them to build their empires.

When did a poor person ever create a job? Last time he had money in his pockets. Before Bush took office. That's when.

Bobo?......is that you?.....the long lost guy?....

 

[candycorn]

In frequent threads here the brain-dead leftists moan about how the "idle rich" (like there is such a thing) don't deserve their money. But look at the other side. The poor in this country enjoy a lifestyle envied by even middle class people in most of the world. What have they done to deserve this? The idlest of the idle rich invest money and help other hard working people get ahead. The poor simply absorb tax payer funding and have babies.

Perry.

 

[LilOlLady]

How dare you. Most of the poor have already contributed to the system and what they get they have earned. There are some who are poor because of no fault of there own and because of corrupt government has mis managed there tax money. GOD said take care of poor and if you were any kind of christian you would not ***** about the little the poor do get. Beware that you may be standing now but could fall at any minute?

New International Version (©1984)
So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!

Warning GOD gave to Isreal before their fall.

 

[LilOlLady]

In frequent threads here the brain-dead leftists moan about how the "idle rich" (like there is such a thing) don't deserve their money. But look at the other side. The poor in this country enjoy a lifestyle envied by even middle class people in most of the world. What have they done to deserve this? The idlest of the idle rich invest money and help other hard working people get ahead. The poor simply absorb tax payer funding and have babies.

Perry.

The only thing that I have heard that The Grinch support is a colony on the moon and amnesty for illega aliens. and lies about obama.

 

[Full-Auto]

How would you solve the debt problem?

Allowing corporations and the rich to not pay their fair share certainly isn't the way. Or lying us into the Iraq war and paying for it with borrowed money.

And why when they were in power did the GOP pass tax breaks for companies sending jobs overseas? Is it because our government now works for the corporations instead of the people? Citizens United would suggest so.

The GOP are only cutting spending on things that help the poor and middle class. Drop in the bucket but making America a much worse place than it was before. Eliminating safety nets during a time when you caused a great recession? And the rich have never been richer? And you think they need more tax breaks?

History repeats itself. This happned in 1948 and before the Great Recession. And most Americans don't realize they are brainwashed through Fox and Rush and Drudge. The media has been taken over but they've brainwashed you for 30 years by telling you its the liberal media. Its only as liberal as they want it to be.

A lot of straw in that rant.

How would I solve the problem? Too many to list really but we start with restructure of government. That alone covers up to 400 billion a year in redundant services.

Now as far as other cuts. Lets remeber our broke entitlement system, SS is broke. Democrats made it law to put this money into the general fund and that SS be made a budget item.

Should I thank you or kick you?

They broke SS. It wasn't broken before they purposely broke it. And now they want to end it or privatize it? How about put it back to what it was before. Didn't Bush tap into SS to pay for the Bush tax cuts? End the Bush tax cuts and first order is to put all that money back into SS where they found it.

Clinton tapped into it too. Lock box. Remember that discussion in 1999? LOL.

Can you put the kool-aid down for a few minutes.

That became law in 69. Democrats have sold spending the money and here you are defending. Here is fact you can not dispute. If SS had been reformed and we were allowed to invest that ten percent. There would be money in that fund today. You can not say that with government.

What frightens you about investing ten percent of your money?

 

[sealybobo]

Clearly we need the poor to have money in their pockets so they can buy our goods and services.

And the rich use them to build their empires.

When did a poor person ever create a job? Last time he had money in his pockets. Before Bush took office. That's when.

Bobo?......is that you?.....the long lost guy?....

Its me. I'm back. Just in time for 2012 elections!

 

[Contumacious]

How dare you. Most of the poor have already contributed to the system and what they get they have earned. There are some who are poor because of no fault of there own and because of corrupt government has mis managed there tax money. GOD said take care of poor and if you were any kind of christian you would not ***** about the little the poor do get. Beware that you may be standing now but could fall at any minute?.

Really?

Well, in that case ask your congresscritter to provide you transcripts of the 1997 Senate hearings which amply demonstrated that the gestapo agency known as the IRS is judge, jury and executioner.

.

 

[sealybobo]

A lot of straw in that rant.

How would I solve the problem? Too many to list really but we start with restructure of government. That alone covers up to 400 billion a year in redundant services.

Now as far as other cuts. Lets remeber our broke entitlement system, SS is broke. Democrats made it law to put this money into the general fund and that SS be made a budget item.

Should I thank you or kick you?

They broke SS. It wasn't broken before they purposely broke it. And now they want to end it or privatize it? How about put it back to what it was before. Didn't Bush tap into SS to pay for the Bush tax cuts? End the Bush tax cuts and first order is to put all that money back into SS where they found it.

Clinton tapped into it too. Lock box. Remember that discussion in 1999? LOL.

Can you put the kool-aid down for a few minutes.

That became law in 69. Democrats have sold spending the money and here you are defending. Here is fact you can not dispute. If SS had been reformed and we were allowed to invest that ten percent. There would be money in that fund today. You can not say that with government.

What frightens you about investing ten percent of your money?

My grandmother collected from 62-92. I/You/she/Most people would not have saved the money and if they did, they would run out of money if they lived to be that old.

What is that, like $400k she collected? What do you think she would have saved on her own? Not that much.

Liberals shouldn't have to defend ss. We argued and won this debate a long time ago. And there is a reason. People weren't saving 10%. Old people were dying without dignity. SS fixed that. Just because rich people don't care about SS doesn't mean its not a great program. Remember that.

And without medicare??? You'll run out of money for sure. Or most will. This is why these great programs were created. Tell your politicians to stop raping the funds. Strenghten those programs.

Like life insurance. We all pay in and eliminate the risk. Now with SS, if you die at 61, you got screwed. But my Grandmother made out. Safety net.

And most people save above and beyond ss because SS isn't that much money. But its a great program and 80% of Americans don't want it to go away.

 

[The Rabbi]

Now that's circular thinking. You answered your own question in your first sentence. The 'poor' create jobs through their spending habits.

Um, no they dont.

If they all stopped going to Kroger, I'm sure you would see fewer check out people working.

Bad example. Where do you think they would go if they stopped going to Kroger?