what happens to women in countries where abortion is outlawed

[Agit8r]

I visited my old-country in 2007, after being away for almost 50 years.

The differences between what I was expecting and and what I actually found were startling and very eye-opening.

Reagan was RIGHT!!!!

My long lost and almost forgotten brother complained that God has taken His hands off Hungary.

I replied that maybe if more Hungarians were in Church than in the abortion clinic God would view the nation of Hungary differently.

well, if we are to believe the Bible, it is when God gets his hands ON you that you're in trouble...

 

[koshergrl]

A woman MUST have the control of her own body.

Preferably, PRIOR to getting pregnant, as the result by irresponsible and horny behavior.

Goodness me, so any woman who dares to get sexually excited and make love with her partner must be a selfish slut!!!

You pro lifers really hate women, don't you?

Yeah, see, this sort of crap is at the bottom of the abortion industry, and is indicative of true misogyny....those who support abortion believe women exist to have sex. They maintain they are incapable of controlling their sexual urges in any meaningful way, and too stupid to understand their own bodies. They also maintain that women are criminal at their core, and would refuse to obey the law if abortion were illegal. They not only can't control themselves when it comes to sex (and after all, who wants them to, ayway?) but they're criminals.

Which is why it's okay to kill and maim them and their children.

 

[buckeye45_73]

they're treated as 2nd class citizens of course:

Critically ill woman faces jail time if she goes forward with lifesaving abortion

According to a report from Amnesty International, a seriously ill and pregnant El Salvadorian woman may face jail time if she goes forward with a lifesaving and medically recommended abortion. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances in El Salvador.

wow lets compare the US to El Salvador....I have to post this video
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zw4PIcjVNg]Adam Carolla on Gay Parents vs Straight Parents - YouTube[/ame]

It shows how liberals argue, it's hilarious......

 

[koshergrl]

That vid is great! hahahahaha and true, too.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

Abortion is a big part of big business and government.

 

[JoeB131]

What about the 55 million babies slaughtered in the U.S. alone since Roe vs Wade? Do those deaths count too? I didn't think so.

fetuses aren't "babies"...

Not in the law, not in medicine and not even in the bible.

I suppose you apply that same sick position to partial birth abortions as well?

No such thing as "Partial Birth Abortion". That's a bullshit term that Anti-Choice fanatics made up.

The procedure of a Dilation and Extraction has been banned, so when a fetus needs to be terminated late in a pregnancy, doctors have to use more complicated means to end them. Which is just stupid, when you let politiicans decide medicine.

 

[JoeB131]

Would it be satisfactory if abortions were preformed only in cases of medical emergencies and not for convenience, birth control or genetic cleansing?

Who gets to decide? Frankly, the problem with letting the misogynists decide what is 'convenience" is that they don't value women to start with.

Used to be a time, they cut babies out of women by caesarian to save the baby and screw the woman.

 

[JoeB131]

What about the 55 million babies slaughtered in the U.S. alone since Roe vs Wade? Do those deaths count too? I didn't think so.

fetuses aren't "babies"...

Not in the law, not in medicine and not even in the bible.

You are wrong about the bible.

Uh, no, I'm not.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
(Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)

Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.

Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14

God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.

The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28

God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.

Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24

 

[JoeB131]

I'd like you to prove your claim about the Bible Joe?

Surely you can back your assertion up?

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So are you conceding that medical science and the law don't consider fetueses babies?

Check out the list above... the bible didn't think so, either.

 

[JoeB131]

I visited my old-country in 2007, after being away for almost 50 years.

The differences between what I was expecting and and what I actually found were startling and very eye-opening.

Reagan was RIGHT!!!!

My long lost and almost forgotten brother complained that God has taken His hands off Hungary.

I replied that maybe if more Hungarians were in Church than in the abortion clinic God would view the nation of Hungary differently.

Frankly, if God ever gave a crap about Hungary, it wouldn't have spend most of its history being dominated by other powers... (Turkey, Austria, the Soviets).

But what you sky pixie worshippers will always have an excuse when the sky pixie dumps on you. Usually that you weren't praying hard enough or following his pretend laws.

It never, ever occurs to you that there probably isn't a God, and things just happen because of natural laws.

 

[Dot Com]

still waiting for you to explain why you're obsessed w/ this topic allie.

Go ahead and keep waiting.

she spends 95% of her time on this board blathering on & on & on & on about abortion but won't tell me why she is obsessed over all things vagina. I suspect its her religion she wants to shove down other people's throats since she won't answer. How special.

you're a broken record allie babble

 

[Dot Com]

I visited my old-country in 2007, after being away for almost 50 years.

The differences between what I was expecting and and what I actually found were startling and very eye-opening.

Reagan was RIGHT!!!!

My long lost and almost forgotten brother complained that God has taken His hands off Hungary.

I replied that maybe if more Hungarians were in Church than in the abortion clinic God would view the nation of Hungary differently.

Frankly, if God ever gave a crap about Hungary, it wouldn't have spend most of its history being dominated by other powers... (Turkey, Austria, the Soviets).

But what you sky pixie worshippers will always have an excuse when the sky pixie dumps on you. Usually that you weren't praying hard enough or following his pretend laws.

It never, ever occurs to you that there probably isn't a God, and things just happen because of natural laws.

Sadly, allie will never grasp that concept

 

[koshergrl]

The people who support full personhood for embryos do. Paul Ryan did when he signed on to that bill. Y'all act like this isn't actually a threat to our western values

I would love you to explain that....

Oh wait, no I wouldn't, because it's idiotic. Meanwhile, I notice that you have provided no real support for your stupid statement...aside from another, even more ridiculous comment.

" the current regime of abortion on demand in America is a grave evil that ought to be abolished. It is murderous, if not categorically then at least in its extreme manifestations. Maintaining it requires an assault on language and logic that has taken on a totalitarian character. And it is politically poisonous."

..."To avoid confronting the reality of what they were doing, Gosnell and his employees spoke in an elaborate euphemistic code. A baby wasn't born, "the fetus precipitated." Gosnell didn't slash it to death, he "snipped" it to "ensure fetal demise." The Times, in that A17 story, adopted the Gosnell code, referring repeatedly to the babies Gosnell is charged with murdering as "fetuses." "So did Roger Simon, we're guessing out of "pro-choice" habit. This Orwellian use of language was a commonality between the Gosnellites and the "safe and legal" abortion crowd. "Pro-choice" itself is one such euphemism. Lots of political movements are in favor of one or another form of "choice," but this is the only one we can think of that cries foul if you specify the choice that they're pro."

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Most news organizations have adopted this pro-abortion doublespeak as a matter of style. The New York Times, for example, characterizes the two sides as "abortion-rights" and "antiabortion." That at least has the virtue of acknowledging that the debate is about abortion, but it still tips the scale in favor of the pro-abortion side by acknowledging its claims of rights but not the antiabortion side's. And then there's the ever-popular "procedure whose opponents call it partial-birth abortion." What do its supporters call it? And who are they?
The most jaw-dropping example of pro-abortion Orwellianism is the one we cited last week: the fierce objection to the assertion that life begins at fertilization. As we noted, that is a simple statement of scientific fact--a tautology. MediaMutters responded, in essence, that human embryogenesis is just a theory. The proof was--you guessed it--an appeal to authority, namely the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade:

The law has been reluctant to endorse any theory that life, as we recognize it, begins before live birth or to accord legal rights to the unborn except in narrowly defined situations and except when the rights are contingent upon live birth.​

Justice Blackmun says it, I believe it, and that settles it!
We'd like to cite one more example because we find it especially neuralgic, though we must acknowledge this is one that professional abortion advocates typically have the sense to avoid. It is the characterization of an unborn child as a "parasite" because it depends for sustenance on its mother. Again, this is at best scientifically illiterate: In biology, a parasite by definition is a creature of a different species from the host. At worst, calling a baby a parasite is an act of rhetorical dehumanization, of a piece with likening hated minorities to insects or rodents or pigs."


That is a brilliant piece, incidentally.



Best of the Web Today: From Roe to Gosnell - WSJ.com

You do realize how ironic it is that you continually cite Gosnell; a guy who operated in a jurisdiction that didn't allow abortions after 24 weeks!

Now it can be argued that this isolated incident is no reason to allow safe and legal abortion after 24 weeks, but it obviously gives a glimpse about what would occur if the much more common early term abortion were further restricted. By citing Gosnell, you are actually giving an example of the very heart of the pro-choice argument.

Yeah, it can be argued that this is the reason it should be legalized...just as it could be argued that mass murder should be legalized.

He operated with the full knowledge of those who actually oversee the abortion industry...and the women he destroyed were referred to him by other clinics, who knew what a butcher shop it was. What it is evidence of is the abortion bloc's complete disregard for women. While arguing that abortion is necessary past week 24 (disgusting) and it's a health matter, you shrug your shoulders and send them to death muttering "it should be legal anyway." Your "argument" is "if you don't let us kill babies, we'll just kill them...and their mothers...too." Nice argument.

 

[Dot Com]

allie babble keeps arguing from the point that the unborn is a person. I bet she supported the extreme rw "personhood" bill. Scary Orwellian stuff that.