What happens if Republicans manage to knock 20 million Americans off health care?

[Billy_Kinetta]

No... we aren't talking about illegals. And like was stated in the OP, if they drop the Obamacare, almost every American will be fucked hard. Because if the insurance companies can all of a sudden deny you for a pre-existing condition, there are millions of Americans that won't be eligible. Elderly, kids, you name it. And you know what else? The insurance companies could force you to get a physical, and then charge you an arm and a leg for your insurance, which might be higher than it is now. Man people are just not thinking straight about this. You can't just get rid of Obamacare... you have to have a system ready to replace it with.

Elderly have medicare. Kids have Schip.

So many insurance companies have pulled out that the existence of Obamacare is academic...

I don't know why I discuss things with some people here... the point is. Obamacare got somethings right, but it isn't perfect, but it is irresponsible to scrap the program completely without having a new system to replace it.

It got nothing right.

 

[Rustic]

End Obamacare and at least 20 million Americans will be knocked off health care.

Children going to college working for degrees will no longer be able to use their parents insurance while they go.

People with pre existing conditions will suddenly lose their insurance. Say your kid has some illness, too bad.

Entrepreneurs who rely on health care will suddenly be uninsured.

Very expensive Emergency Room care becomes the primary health care of those millions.

What will that do to the economy?

How will Republicans celebrate after kicking millions of Americans off health care?

Life will go on... and millions of us will not be forced to buy legalized extortion. Lol

 

[pismoe]

If they can afford a car and a house, they can afford healthcare?

Anyone have an issue with this statement?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO , its a good realistic statement RDean !!

No it's not, it's fucking stupid. Because you have a house for your kids to safely live in and grow up in and a car to get to work doesn't mean you have a lot of money left over.

-------------------------------------------------- what the heck , you have kids when you can't afford to house them and have health care at the same time you beggar , RDean , whats wrong with you ??

 

[Lewdog]

They repeal Obamacare and you'll start seeing more married couples having babies, and more people trying to get SSI.

 

[pismoe]

If they can afford a car and a house, they can afford healthcare?

Anyone have an issue with this statement?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO , its a good realistic statement RDean !!

No it's not, it's fucking stupid. Because you have a house for your kids to safely live in and grow up in and a car to get to work doesn't mean you have a lot of money left over.

----------------------------------------- you oughta find a good paying job RDean !!

 

[Billy000]

End Obamacare and at least 20 million Americans will be knocked off health care.

Children going to college working for degrees will no longer be able to use their parents insurance while they go.

People with pre existing conditions will suddenly lose their insurance. Say your kid has some illness, too bad.

Entrepreneurs who rely on health care will suddenly be uninsured.

Very expensive Emergency Room care becomes the primary health care of those millions.

What will that do to the economy?

How will Republicans celebrate after kicking millions of Americans off health care?

I think there are legitimate problems with ObamaCare, but they are fixable. Scrapping the law completely is a terrible idea. What republicans are too dumb to understand is that healthcare is not going to get cheaper if the law is scrapped. Big Pharma will do nothing to make their products more affordable.

 

[rdean]

Is Obamacare really affordable? Not for the middle class.
Case ya havent noticed Ocare is so out of control it is alrdy prohibitive.....ooooops

No, I haven't noticed that. Because it's not true.

Is Obamacare really affordable? Not for the middle class.
Case ya havent noticed Ocare is so out of control it is alrdy prohibitive.....ooooops

Did you bother to read your article?

Did you see this?

But the carrier wouldn't cover her husband because he had high blood pressure.

That was before Obamacare. So it's cheaper when they wouldn't even cover her husband? What if he had a stroke?

Then there's this part:

While costs vary widely across states and carriers,

Of course they vary. Check out the difference between Red States where Republcians worked overtime to make it fail and Blue States where it seems to be working.

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For Michael Horbal, 49, the premium subsidies allows him to select a silver plan rather than a bronze one that would mean higher out-of-pocket costs. Horbal, who is married with four children, paid about $600 a month this year for a policy that originally cost $1,200. The plan has a $4,500 deductible.

"Having that subsidy ... has allowed us to buy a better plan that we could not otherwise afford," said Horbal, a Newtown, Pennsylvania resident who owns LifeInsuranceAdvisors.com. "It's a huge benefit."
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Democrats want to fix it. Improve it. Make it available for more people which would bring down the cost.

Republicans want to fuck the country. Like they did with the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Or with their farm bill that cut food stamps for Veterans and children while giving sitting Republican members in Congress millions in subsidies.

 

[rdean]

If they can afford a car and a house, they can afford healthcare?

Anyone have an issue with this statement?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO , its a good realistic statement RDean !!

No it's not, it's fucking stupid. Because you have a house for your kids to safely live in and grow up in and a car to get to work doesn't mean you have a lot of money left over.

----------------------------------------- you oughta find a good paying job RDean !!

I had a good paying job. Then I retired. Because I had a good paying job and can afford it.

 

[rdean]

Lies passed ObamaCare legislation, lies supported its implementation. As its death spiral begins, angry and panicked lies by Democratic apologists attempt to deflect accountability for its economic devastation.

ObamaCare’s economic wreckage will insure President Barack Obama’s now classic promises regarding ObamaCare will eventually scar his legacy. History is written usually by the victors. In the case of ObamaCare, the economic losers are so numerous their bitter complaints will write the titles, fill the chapters and pack the footnotes. ObamaCare’s Chickens Come Home to Roost

OMG. One of those idiot fucking right wing articles.

OK, suppose you live in California and buy a policy in New York and they fuck you over. What do you do? What can you do? You live in California and they live in New York.

And that's why you can't buy across state lines.

(sigh) Everything has to be explained.

 

[pismoe]

If they can afford a car and a house, they can afford healthcare?

Anyone have an issue with this statement?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO , its a good realistic statement RDean !!

No it's not, it's fucking stupid. Because you have a house for your kids to safely live in and grow up in and a car to get to work doesn't mean you have a lot of money left over.

----------------------------------------- you oughta find a good paying job RDean !!

I had a good paying job. Then I retired. Because I had a good paying job and can afford it.

--------------------------------------------- well , quit yer whining RDean !!

 

[Manonthestreet]

Even when the facts are right in front of them from their own beloved sources they deny ...deny ...deny........dishonesty is lib sop

 

[rdean]

No... we aren't talking about illegals. And like was stated in the OP, if they drop the Obamacare, almost every American will be fucked hard. Because if the insurance companies can all of a sudden deny you for a pre-existing condition, there are millions of Americans that won't be eligible. Elderly, kids, you name it. And you know what else? The insurance companies could force you to get a physical, and then charge you an arm and a leg for your insurance, which might be higher than it is now. Man people are just not thinking straight about this. You can't just get rid of Obamacare... you have to have a system ready to replace it with.

Elderly have medicare. Kids have Schip.

So many insurance companies have pulled out that the existence of Obamacare is academic...

I don't know why I discuss things with some people here... the point is. Obamacare got somethings right, but it isn't perfect, but it is irresponsible to scrap the program completely without having a new system to replace it.

It got nothing right.

Except for pre existing conditions

except for letting kids be covered while they went to college

Except for states who actually supported Obamacare

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...k-obamacare-premium-falling-indiana/74697146/

Rates in Anchorage, Alaska, were high in 2014 and have gone up by double digits since then. A 40-year-old nonsmoker there will pay $719 a month for a benchmark plan next year, compared with $298 in Indianapolis.

The Indiana health insurer dropping rates the most is MDwise Marketplace, which cut premiums by an average 19 percent.

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Depends on where you live. Republicans will fuck you over. It's what they do. What they are proud of.

 

[BlueGin]

No one should survive at public expense. It's not your money.

Leave charity with charitable organizations.

You don't get it... if people don't have insurance anymore and have to go to the ER, they will just get a huge ER bill they can't pay. Which then means they get their credit ruined, which means then they can't buy cars and houses, which means it hurts the economy, which means health care cost go up, because health care is REQUIRED to treat people that go to the ER, and won't be getting paid for it... so that means if you do have insurance? Yeah it's going to go up regardless, along with the out of pocket costs.

If they can afford cars and houses. They can afford insurance.

That's a negative Ghost Rider.

Then don't bring it up next time.

 

[BlueGin]

No one should survive at public expense. It's not your money.

Leave charity with charitable organizations.

You don't get it... if people don't have insurance anymore and have to go to the ER, they will just get a huge ER bill they can't pay. Which then means they get their credit ruined, which means then they can't buy cars and houses, which means it hurts the economy, which means health care cost go up, because health care is REQUIRED to treat people that go to the ER, and won't be getting paid for it... so that means if you do have insurance? Yeah it's going to go up regardless, along with the out of pocket costs.

I get it just fine.

No, you don't. Not to mention, then because you have ERs packed with people, guess what happens to the quality of care there? Not just for the people you think are leaches on society, but yes, you, the people that might have to go there even with insurance. And I'm sorry, but they aren't going to let people with insurance jump line.

The ER is just as busy now as it was before Obamacare.

Try again

You don't get it...if they take away Obamacare anyone with insurance now but with a preexisting condition, regardless if you can afford the insurance, you're fucked. NO INSURANCE. Broken back? Fucked. MS? Fucked. You're kid has scoliosis? Fucked. Your kid needs to get asthma treatments? Fucked.

On and on and on,.

Many lower income folks have had Medicare/Medicaid for years. What? You think Obamacare is somehow better when it's run off the same system and guidelines?

 

[rdean]

Even wen the facts are right in front of them from their own beloved sources they deny ...deny ...deny........dishonesty is lib sop

Right wingers bring up Breitbart and the Observer and WND and Fox and then insist those are the "facts". And then they are outraged the entire world laughs at them.

I like the most recent. A kid entered a scary costume contest in a Red State at a city that was mostly Republican. It won hands down as the most terrifying costume. The kid entered the contest dressed as a "science book".

 

[Manonthestreet]

Even wen the facts are right in front of them from their own beloved sources they deny ...deny ...deny........dishonesty is lib sop

Right wingers bring up Breitbart and the Observer and WND and Fox and then insist those are the "facts". And then they are outraged the entire world laughs at them.

I like the most recent. A kid entered a scary costume contest in a Red State at a city that was mostly Republican. It won hands down as the most terrifying costume. The kid entered the contest dressed as a "science book".

Dumbass...one was CNN...think another was bloomberg

 

[BlueGin]

No... we aren't talking about illegals. And like was stated in the OP, if they drop the Obamacare, almost every American will be fucked hard. Because if the insurance companies can all of a sudden deny you for a pre-existing condition, there are millions of Americans that won't be eligible. Elderly, kids, you name it. And you know what else? The insurance companies could force you to get a physical, and then charge you an arm and a leg for your insurance, which might be higher than it is now. Man people are just not thinking straight about this. You can't just get rid of Obamacare... you have to have a system ready to replace it with.

Elderly have medicare. Kids have Schip.

So many insurance companies have pulled out that the existence of Obamacare is academic...

And college kids can get insurance through the university.

 

[rdean]

You don't get it... if people don't have insurance anymore and have to go to the ER, they will just get a huge ER bill they can't pay. Which then means they get their credit ruined, which means then they can't buy cars and houses, which means it hurts the economy, which means health care cost go up, because health care is REQUIRED to treat people that go to the ER, and won't be getting paid for it... so that means if you do have insurance? Yeah it's going to go up regardless, along with the out of pocket costs.

I get it just fine.

No, you don't. Not to mention, then because you have ERs packed with people, guess what happens to the quality of care there? Not just for the people you think are leaches on society, but yes, you, the people that might have to go there even with insurance. And I'm sorry, but they aren't going to let people with insurance jump line.

The ER is just as busy now as it was before Obamacare.

Try again

You don't get it...if they take away Obamacare anyone with insurance now but with a preexisting condition, regardless if you can afford the insurance, you're fucked. NO INSURANCE. Broken back? Fucked. MS? Fucked. You're kid has scoliosis? Fucked. Your kid needs to get asthma treatments? Fucked.

On and on and on,.

Many lower income folks have had Medicare/Medicaid for years. What? You think Obamacare is somehow better when it's run off the same system and guidelines?

So you are suggesting everyone get's medicare? You know Republcians want to end medicare, right?

Jeb Bush pushes to 'phase out' Medicare

It says something important about Republican politics in 2015 when the most mainstream candidate is also the candidate who wants to scrap Medicare altogether.

 

[rdean]

No... we aren't talking about illegals. And like was stated in the OP, if they drop the Obamacare, almost every American will be fucked hard. Because if the insurance companies can all of a sudden deny you for a pre-existing condition, there are millions of Americans that won't be eligible. Elderly, kids, you name it. And you know what else? The insurance companies could force you to get a physical, and then charge you an arm and a leg for your insurance, which might be higher than it is now. Man people are just not thinking straight about this. You can't just get rid of Obamacare... you have to have a system ready to replace it with.

Elderly have medicare. Kids have Schip.

So many insurance companies have pulled out that the existence of Obamacare is academic...

And college kids can get insurance through the university.

Prove it. And make sure you put down some costs and figures.

 

[BlueGin]

End Obamacare and at least 20 million Americans will be knocked off health care.

Children going to college working for degrees will no longer be able to use their parents insurance while they go.

People with pre existing conditions will suddenly lose their insurance. Say your kid has some illness, too bad.

Entrepreneurs who rely on health care will suddenly be uninsured.

Very expensive Emergency Room care becomes the primary health care of those millions.

What will that do to the economy?

How will Republicans celebrate after kicking millions of Americans off health care?

I think there are legitimate problems with ObamaCare, but they are fixable. Scrapping the law completely is a terrible idea. What republicans are too dumb to understand is that healthcare is not going to get cheaper if the law is scrapped. Big Pharma will do nothing to make their products more affordable.

Big Pharma is not the issue.

The disproportionate ratio of sick vs healthy patients signing up is the problem.

You can't support something only takers are bleeding dry. Someone has to pay the expenses and those people aren't signing up.