2aguy
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This is another stupid thing anti gunners are doing, it is a gun registry without having to call it a registry.
Can any anti gunner out there explain how this will stop one crime or one mass shooting?
And....since it is a fee on a Right, it is un Constitutional, per the Murdock v. Pennsylvania ruling on placing a fee on the exercise of a Right...
Congressional Dems launch drive to bring handgun licensing to more states
Criticsof the study argue the researchers cherry-picked their numbers and compared their data sample to a “synthetic” Connecticut to arrive at the claim. Further, critics hold that the decline in murders observed in the study was part of a national drop in violent crime unrelated to the new law and that Connecticut’s crime rate has climbed since 2015.
The laws themselves are often controversial.
The first state to adopt handgun licensing, New York, did so under the Sullivan Act, a 1911 law that requires anyone desiring a firearm small enough to be concealed to obtain a license.
Even a century later, the law has been subject to legal challenges from those who hold licenses can be elusive, with applicants often waiting years or denied outright.
In New Jersey in 2015, the case of a woman killed in her front yard by her ex-boyfriend while she was still waiting for her application for a firearms permit to be granted made national headlines. Meanwhile, critics of North Carolina’s Pistol Purchase Permit argue the practice was adopted in that state in 1919 as part of Jim Crow laws to strip minorities of their Second Amendment rights.
So....who was Sullivan, and why did he want to license handguns...? to keep them out of the hands of law abiding citizens who were shooting the street thugs he was using to intimidate them...
http://nypost.com/2012/01/16/the-strange-birth-of-nys-gun-laws/
Problem was the gangs worked for Tammany. The Democratic machine used them asshtarkers (sluggers), enforcing discipline at the polls and intimidating the opposition. Gang leaders like Monk Eastman were even employed as informal “sheriffs,” keeping their turf under Tammany control.
The Tammany Tiger needed to rein in the gangs without completely crippling them. Enter Big Tim with the perfect solution: Ostensibly disarm the gangs — and ordinary citizens, too — while still keeping them on the streets.
In fact, he gave the game away during the debate on the bill, which flew through Albany: “I want to make it so the young thugs in my district will get three years for carrying dangerous weapons instead of getting a sentence in the electric chair a year from now.”
Sullivan knew the gangs would flout the law, but appearances were more important than results. Young toughs took to sewing the pockets of their coats shut, so that cops couldn’t plant firearms on them, and many gangsters stashed their weapons inside their girlfriends’ “bird cages” — wire-mesh fashion contraptions around which women would wind their hair.
----Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, were disarmed, which solved another problem: Gangsters had been bitterly complaining to Tammany that their victims sometimes shot back at them.
So gang violence didn’t drop under the Sullivan Act — and really took off after the passage of Prohibition in 1920. Spectacular gangland rubouts — like the 1932 machine-gunning of “Mad Dog” Coll in a drugstore phone booth on 23rd Street — became the norm.
Can any anti gunner out there explain how this will stop one crime or one mass shooting?
And....since it is a fee on a Right, it is un Constitutional, per the Murdock v. Pennsylvania ruling on placing a fee on the exercise of a Right...
Congressional Dems launch drive to bring handgun licensing to more states
Criticsof the study argue the researchers cherry-picked their numbers and compared their data sample to a “synthetic” Connecticut to arrive at the claim. Further, critics hold that the decline in murders observed in the study was part of a national drop in violent crime unrelated to the new law and that Connecticut’s crime rate has climbed since 2015.
The laws themselves are often controversial.
The first state to adopt handgun licensing, New York, did so under the Sullivan Act, a 1911 law that requires anyone desiring a firearm small enough to be concealed to obtain a license.
Even a century later, the law has been subject to legal challenges from those who hold licenses can be elusive, with applicants often waiting years or denied outright.
In New Jersey in 2015, the case of a woman killed in her front yard by her ex-boyfriend while she was still waiting for her application for a firearms permit to be granted made national headlines. Meanwhile, critics of North Carolina’s Pistol Purchase Permit argue the practice was adopted in that state in 1919 as part of Jim Crow laws to strip minorities of their Second Amendment rights.
So....who was Sullivan, and why did he want to license handguns...? to keep them out of the hands of law abiding citizens who were shooting the street thugs he was using to intimidate them...
http://nypost.com/2012/01/16/the-strange-birth-of-nys-gun-laws/
Problem was the gangs worked for Tammany. The Democratic machine used them asshtarkers (sluggers), enforcing discipline at the polls and intimidating the opposition. Gang leaders like Monk Eastman were even employed as informal “sheriffs,” keeping their turf under Tammany control.
The Tammany Tiger needed to rein in the gangs without completely crippling them. Enter Big Tim with the perfect solution: Ostensibly disarm the gangs — and ordinary citizens, too — while still keeping them on the streets.
In fact, he gave the game away during the debate on the bill, which flew through Albany: “I want to make it so the young thugs in my district will get three years for carrying dangerous weapons instead of getting a sentence in the electric chair a year from now.”
Sullivan knew the gangs would flout the law, but appearances were more important than results. Young toughs took to sewing the pockets of their coats shut, so that cops couldn’t plant firearms on them, and many gangsters stashed their weapons inside their girlfriends’ “bird cages” — wire-mesh fashion contraptions around which women would wind their hair.
----Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, were disarmed, which solved another problem: Gangsters had been bitterly complaining to Tammany that their victims sometimes shot back at them.
So gang violence didn’t drop under the Sullivan Act — and really took off after the passage of Prohibition in 1920. Spectacular gangland rubouts — like the 1932 machine-gunning of “Mad Dog” Coll in a drugstore phone booth on 23rd Street — became the norm.
