What do you think of MNS?

[Mac1958]

I was just listening to a brief discussion on Mandatory National Service, and I don't remember ever hearing a partisan political discussion about it. Things are so divided now that pretty much everything automatically falls under Red or Blue categories. I don't know where this topic falls.

Working definition: Mandatory national service (also called compulsory service) is a requirement, generally issued by the federal government, that people serve in the military or complete other works of service, most often as young people but age requirements vary. Modern propositions for compulsory service in the United States include young Americans serving in the military or working on civilian projects such as teaching in low-income areas, helping seniors, or maintaining infrastructure, among other ideas. (Mandatory National Service)

Personally, I think that we've seen a breakdown in our culture in general, and that no group has been more adversely affected by it than teens. Many/most of them seem to me to be entirely disconnected from some of the core principles than most of us older folks take for granted.

Serving a year or two in some civilian projects would also give young people a chance to mix with each other and (hopefully) understand each other a little better.

Thoughts?

 

[Mac1958]

Americans support mandatory national service

The program description and question posed was this: “Would you support or oppose the following proposal? All citizens and permanent residents (Green Card holders) will be required to participate in an 18-month National Service program. Service can be started any time between an individual’s 18th [and] 22nd birthday. Service shall include healthcare assistance, infrastructure/environmental repair, early childhood education programs, eldercare assistance, or military service. Participation in the military option shall be voluntary. National service participants shall receive free communal room, board, and a subsistence allowance. Participants shall receive $10,000 upon successful completion of their service. People who fail to successfully complete their National Service obligation shall not be eligible for any Federal student loan or mortgage guarantee program.”

Today, fully 75 percent of all young people aged 18-24 — those in the group most affected by the proposal — support that idea. People slightly older (25-37) support it even more: 80 percent are in favor. Older adults are also in favor. Sixty-two percent of people 38-44 — the largest group of parents of those expected to serve favor it, and 56 percent of people 45-64 are in support as well. No demographic reflected a majority in opposition.

 

[MarathonMike]

I doubt the statistics that MNS has 75 percent support among the most entitled 18-24 year old generation in our history. 18 months? You'd be lucky to get 18 day commitments. Tell you what I did with my kids. I knew they had never known what a hard life or hard work looked like so I had both them work for a friend of mine who has been a building contractor his entire life. They only did for a few months but they learned a ton and more importantly felt what real hard work is and working with a team and doing your job.

 

[Mac-7]

18 months? You'd be lucky to get 18 day commitments.

Everyone has to sign up for the draft already

Include females and make national service mandatory

 

[MarathonMike]

Everyone has to sign up for the draft already

Include females and make national service mandatory

Signing up for the draft is not a commitment.

 

[Mac-7]

Signing up for the draft is not a commitment.

Make service mandatory

 

[White 6]

I was just listening to a brief discussion on Mandatory National Service, and I don't remember ever hearing a partisan political discussion about it. Things are so divided now that pretty much everything automatically falls under Red or Blue categories. I don't know where this topic falls.

Working definition: Mandatory national service (also called compulsory service) is a requirement, generally issued by the federal government, that people serve in the military or complete other works of service, most often as young people but age requirements vary. Modern propositions for compulsory service in the United States include young Americans serving in the military or working on civilian projects such as teaching in low-income areas, helping seniors, or maintaining infrastructure, among other ideas. (Mandatory National Service)

Personally, I think that we've seen a breakdown in our culture in general, and that no group has been more adversely affected by it than teens. Many/most of them seem to me to be entirely disconnected from some of the core principles than most of us older folks take for granted.

Serving a year or two in some civilian projects would also give young people a chance to mix with each other and (hopefully) understand each other a little better.

Thoughts?

I approve, but not necessarily with compulsory military service. This isn't the 1960s or before. Most MOS fields are too complicated with technology and teamwork and fellow servicemen's lives on the line to be a good fit with people that do not want be there. I have trained with and served with people, who had to choose between jail or military, but didn't want to be there. I assure you, you don't want them in your tank or on your weapons systems.

 

[MarathonMike]

Watch a few TikTok videos to get a sample of where 18-24 year olds heads are at. They would rather jump off a roof in a chicken suit than serve in the military.

 

[MisterBeale]

While on the surface it seems like a good idea. . . And I think nearly all of us can agree it sounds like a great idea to help the young not hate the nation so, like socialist professors do to their minds. . .

I can see such a program being politicized by the two parties, just as they do with the military.

. . . it will also be a source of incalculable waste, and more then likely, fraud, just like the Pentagon budget.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I was just listening to a brief discussion on Mandatory National Service, and I don't remember ever hearing a partisan political discussion about it. Things are so divided now that pretty much everything automatically falls under Red or Blue categories. I don't know where this topic falls.

Working definition: Mandatory national service (also called compulsory service) is a requirement, generally issued by the federal government, that people serve in the military or complete other works of service, most often as young people but age requirements vary. Modern propositions for compulsory service in the United States include young Americans serving in the military or working on civilian projects such as teaching in low-income areas, helping seniors, or maintaining infrastructure, among other ideas. (Mandatory National Service)

Personally, I think that we've seen a breakdown in our culture in general, and that no group has been more adversely affected by it than teens. Many/most of them seem to me to be entirely disconnected from some of the core principles than most of us older folks take for granted.

Serving a year or two in some civilian projects would also give young people a chance to mix with each other and (hopefully) understand each other a little better.

Thoughts?

it’s a decent thought, but dangerous in a nation already ruined by military defense contractors and the politicians who own stock in them

Better to have a well educated civilization

 

[Mac1958]

I approve, but not necessarily with compulsory military service. This isn't the 1960s pr before. Most MOS fields are too complicated with technology and teamwork and fellow servicemen's lives on the line to be a good fit with people that do not want be there. I have trained with and served with people, who had to choose between jail or military, but didn't want to be there. I assure you, you don't want them in your tank or on your weapons systems.

Definitely not compulsory military service. But there are a zillion potential civilian services that we could use. None more so than senior services and child services.

I did a lot of volunteering with seniors before I retired, and holy crap, that will humble you pretty quickly, and it will show you how rough a lot of Americans have it.

 

[White 6]

While on the surface it seems like a good idea. . . And I think nearly all of us can agree it sounds like a great idea to help the young not hate the nation so, like socialist professors do to their minds. . .

I can see such a program being politicized by the two parties, just as they do with the military.

. . . it will also be a source of incalculable waste, and more then likely, fraud, just like the Pentagon budget.

On the other hand, I graduated from a high school built by WPA, as was the courthouse in that town. I have hiked many a trail cut by the CCC. Was there waste involve? I am sure, though it was many years before I was born.

 

[Mac1958]

Thinking about it, I missed another pretty important benefit -- developing responsibility and a work ethic early on.

 

[fncceo]

Personally, I think that we've seen a breakdown in our culture in general, and that no group has been more adversely affected by it than teens.

Fix teen’s problem by making them slaves.

Great plan!

 

[Care4all]

Make it fun, a cool thing to do some sort of service...use tik tok

but keep it voluntary

 

[GLASNOST]

What do you think of MNS?​

Thoughts?

A government that does not earn the respect of its citizens or one that does?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Fix teen’s problem by making them slaves.

Great plan!

And here I was thinking I was the only one who thought of this idea in terms of forced labor.

 

[BluesLegend]

So another taxpayer funded Dem indoctrination program, so no!

 

[cnm]

Thoughts?

Perhaps people would be able to achieve strength through joy if such a scheme was implemented.

 

[cnm]

I have trained with and served with people, who had to choose between jail or military, but didn't want to be there.

Seems Russian, somehow...